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[KaiserShep]

There's another thread that points out that the companions will have unique dialogue based on whether or not you never talk to them earlier in the game. Does Vivienne have this?

[Hazegurl]

Recruit her

Conscript Templars

Get Cullen off Lyrium

Give her Common heart and tell her you hate her. She was visibly upset with me.

Let Cass reform seekers

Pick hard Leliana as Divine.

 

What you get is no Mage organization for her to worm her way into. Collage of Enchanters

Not on the good side of Bastien's family. Noble connections deminished.

No more Templars. Her worst fear made real.

Mages free. Her worst fear made real.

The option she wanted least as Divine. Say goodbye to her loyalist Mage group.

And a rather nice Mage Throne to sit on while you do it.

 

Talk to Viv at the end and she'll be rather salty.

 

Although I do love that idea of not talking to her and leaving her in the court yard. lol!! damn that's cold.

[Gaz83]

There's another thread that points out that the companions will have unique dialogue based on whether or not you never talk to them earlier in the game. Does Vivienne have this?

 

First I've heard about it, to be honest.

 

I talk to everyone, bar Viviennne, who I don't even pick up most of the time. 

[luism]

What d n d alignment would Viv be? Lawful neutral?

[MikeJW]

What d n d alignment would Viv be? Lawful neutral?

 

I dunno, lawful jackass? Lawful evil because I can see Viv siding with Cory if he promised her what she wants.

[Teddie Sage]

Keep having her disapproving your actions and when comes the time of her personal mission, give her the fake heart and tell her that she underestimated you and she'll be pissed. That's only possible if you're already her rival or enemy.

[daveliam]

I dunno, lawful jackass? Lawful evil because I can see Viv siding with Cory if he promised her what she wants.

 

Anyone who thinks that Vivienne is evil alignment has not actually explored her dialogue in any meaningful way.  She's lawful neutral for sure.

[luism]

Anyone who thinks that Vivienne is evil alignment has not actually explored her dialogue in any meaningful way.  She's lawful neutral for sure.

That's what I was thinking, she kind of reminds me of Anomen from bg2. Same kind of pompous arrogance about them.

[Gaz83]

She's lawful neutral for sure.

 

Lawful neutral who thinks herself lawful good, I'd wager.

 

And she's certainly pompous enough to be a Paladin. 

[senior caliente]

I just didn't do her quest on the War Table to support her as Divine.  Although small, it was satisfying to see her not get what she wanted and for my support to give the position to someone I wanted to see have it.

First wt: Leliana, now supporting Cassandra.

[BSpud]

While I didn't go to the extreme of not talking to her in Skyhold, she was basically irrelevant to any decision my PC made. I mean, she talked to her about her "advice" (much my PC already agreed with) but it never played a part in any decision making. There was this sort of unspoken thing between the two, like "I know that you know that I know that you're only here for yourself. I'll humor you some of the time, Viv, but don't expect to be the first, second, third, or fourth person to come up in my mind when I have a problem. Nothing personal, but you've made yourself a bit of a fifth wheel and I got real **** to do."

 

She was rarely in my party and only with me on two main quest missions: the beginning of the Redcliffe mage quest, before Dorian showed up and quickly made her presence in Team Stop Alexius superfluous; and Wicked Eyes, where, again, she contributed absolutely nothing of note, except to be the barrier supplier for Varric in the combat sections. Other than that short, amusing, catty back-and-forth with Fiona in the tavern in Redcliffe, she established herself as a non-entity in the story. When she asked me to get her the wyvern's heart, I asked all I could about it and then went, "Hm, that sounds really not pertinent to me. Kinda busy here. Nopebye."

 

Funny, only now (in this thread) do I find out that she was trying to play me, as I'd assumed. I actually wouldn't have minded doing it if she had sold me on the quest better. I would've been really annoyed at the outcome, but I would have given her the benefit of the doubt at first. You've got to work on your sales pitch, my dear.

 

The only way to win The Game really is not to play, I guess. In the end, Mages are free, Cass became divine because I was already headed there, and I guess Viv gets her court jester enchanter gig back with Celene, since I never intended for Celene to die or be deposed, anyway. So, uh, gg Viv? You sure played me like a fiddle, I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[synnerman]

I really don't get how so many people think that her end goal is to be Divine when she never suggests it. She never suggests mages in the Chantry at in Haven.  The Inquisitor has to suggest it. She never suggests herself as divine. It is a possibility that the Inquisitor specifically has to bring up. I don't see how not making her divine is beating her at the game when it is not one of her expressed goals until the Inquisitor puts it in her head. 

[DuskWanderer]

People are allowed to dislike Vivienne, just as I'm allowed to dislike Dorian. But I wish they wouldn't make up such idiotic themes. 

[Isaidlunch]

No. She will re-arrange your furniture as much as she likes and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

[zeypher]

Honestly though not a bad character i find both her and sera add nothing. Since skyhold is a chore to navigate as it s a giant glorified party camp next run not getting many guys so it will save me time at skyhold.

[Hazegurl]

I really don't get how so many people think that her end goal is to be Divine when she never suggests it. She never suggests mages in the Chantry at in Haven.  The Inquisitor has to suggest it. She never suggests herself as divine. It is a possibility that the Inquisitor specifically has to bring up. I don't see how not making her divine is beating her at the game when it is not one of her expressed goals until the Inquisitor puts it in her head. 

The point of "the game" is to never let the person you're playing know you are playing them. Even better if they make the suggestions themselves. You can tell she's selling herself near the end of the game when she brings up the qualities she believes the Divine must have. Overall, she'll settle for Cass so she can go back to some court and do parlor tricks. But if she can squeeze Divine out of the Inquisition she will.

 

Not that this is a bad thing. She's my canon Divine and quite honestly, I agreed with her about a lot of things except her fear of magic.  Then I have to agree with Solas.  My canon mage felt that having mages in the chantry is a good step to quelling a lot of those fears. So when Viv began selling herself for the job, I was all for it.  In this case, Viv never played me as we both were on the same page.

[KaiserShep]

No. She will re-arrange your furniture as much as she likes and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

I'm curious as to why. I mean, this isn't Vivienne's manor. If someone wants to be passive aggressive, that's fine, and while I prefer not to play a petty Inquisitor, it would've been fun to have the opportunity to throw a little weight and have her stuff moved out and have a smirk option.

[Vicious]

She's basically Morrigan if you couldn't romance her. Completely insufferable, arrogant, and rude or mean to almost all other companions.

 

what im saying is, viv should have been a romance option. if people liked the likes of morrigan, anora, and isabela, they'd have liked her.

[KaiserShep]

I like her rejection line though. It gives a pretty good idea of her character.

[Ieldra]

And she's certainly pompous enough to be a Paladin. 

So true.

[Thiefy]

It's incredibly ironic that the people who seem to hate Vivienne the most display much of the same characteristics that they find distasteful.

[Bigdoser]

As her greatest fear in the fade is irrelevance simply do that. Make mages allies or conscript templars. Get cass to reform the seekers, get cullen off the lyrium and make leliana divine. That's her worst nightmare hence why she disapproves when you say leliana would make a good divine.  

[sch1986]

So I'm curious- as I never took the angry options at skyhold. In what way is she playing you?

I've tried to googling it online and can't find it.

Ok well I did find it. And you apparently don't have to choose the angry options. The video I watched picked confused- and it looks like at least 2 others would have led to the same conversation.

This makes me wonder if this scene is approval gated somehow. I had very high approval with her in my 2nd playthrough (was purposely trying to make her divine) and the scene did not play out like this at all. I know people are saying "oh I had high approval and it still played out like that" but the fact is you don't really know that since they got rid of approval bars (why?!).

[CuriousArtemis]

Wow, the last part of this quest never fired for me. I had no idea that happened. I swear, this stupid game and its damn bugs....