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[X Equestris]

The Chantry's equivalent of a satanic figure or figures would be the Old Gods, particularly Dumat. However, Corypheus has a vaguely satanic or Antichrist like aura about him within Inquisition.

[KaiserShep]

Blood sacrifices is actually very much a christian thing too. Plenty sacrifice their sons and sheep and whatever in the old testament, at the request of god.

Yeah, but after having a kid, he really calmed down.

[NM_Che56]

There are rams.  They look like Satan.  And those flowers look satanic too.

[SofaJockey]

Okay I can provide some context if you will. I have read much literature about christianity especially and one of my favorite work is Dante's inferno by Dante Aligheri. Some mayalso have played the game Dante's Inferno and in that game the forces of good and evil is very black and white, were Lucifer is the very embodiment of evil in the end and hell is depicted as a place, devoid op any hope and is just misery and torture.

 

I am not a religious person at all, however I really enjoy the different mythologies in religion, especially christianity and sometimes a game that is purely black and white, without any shades of grey, is just what you need. I also enjoy The Witcher games, but in that world, there is really no good and evil, just alot of shades of grey.

 

In another fictional Universe, like Lord Pf The Rings you have also some totally Satanic characters like Sauron and Morgoth who can be compared to Lucifer in christian terms. Especailly Morgoth who is the very embodiment of evil in the Lord Of The Rings Universe, could be compared to Satan/Lucifer.

 

So back to this game, I am interested in several things. For example, is there any characters in the Dragon Age universe, who could be the Lucifer/Satan of the world of Dragon Age, in terms of power and depiction? And also is there ay scenes in this game that portray things, were Bioware is almost preashing some sortof message to us in biblical terms, you get my drift. Scenes were you go up against perhaps the ultimate evil of this world, if you even fight the ultimate evil in that game. Have we even seen the Satan/Lucifer of this world yet and if so who could it be. I am interested in any parallels so religion in this game?

 

Now your talking, and a thoughtful contextual reply, thank you.

 

Having read Dante also (Dante was troubled by the same issues as Milton: Hell and evil are narratively more interesting than Heaven and goodness) I can understand the interest of the pit.

 

In DAI there does not appear to be any converse to the Maker as a evil primary entity, the corrupted magisters are just people with corrupted aspirations of godhood. As the Maker is named but thematically not present, the converse 'evil presence' is not there at all.

 

The elven pantheon is particularly interesting, but I'm not convinced that even there we have a defined evil entity. Fen'Harel is not the evil entity.

 

In Lord of the Rings, Sauron took power to become that evil character.

 

One could argue that if Corypheus had succeeded, then he may have taken a role similar to Sauron, but unlike Sauron, Corypheus was still 'working towards' that godhood. His application was only in the post.

 

So, any parallels to a Lucifer/Satan.

 

Er, no not really, no. I don't think so.

[Gill Kaiser]

Religion in Dragon Age is depicted in a realistic manner, in that nobody really knows for sure whether any of it is true, and it's all filtered through centuries of interpretation and hearsay. In such a world, the kind of apocalyptic confrontation you describe is not really possible. In order for a truly satanic force to exist in the religious sense, the teaching of the Chantry would have to be much more reliable and the existence of the Maker would have to be 100% proven, and that's never going to happen.

 

Contrast this with Middle-Earth, in which the origins of the world are concrete, and Eru Iluvatar is 100% real, as are the Ainur, Valar, Maiar, and Istari. Morgoth is definitively a satanic figure, as he opposes all creation and was one of the first of Eru's children. This is because Lord of the Rings was written by JRRT from a Catholic Christian perspective, and as such the similarities are obvious.

 

The lore of Dragon Age was not written from a world-world religious perspective in that way. Instead, religion exists within the setting, just as anything else.

[Iakus]

Blood sacrifices is actually very much a christian thing too. Plenty sacrifice their sons and sheep and whatever in the old testament, at the request of god.

Yeah, but generally not species with members capable of calculus 

[Merlik]

We know that the chantry draws inspirating from christianity. Yeah the developers have even said that I believe. But is there any scenes in the game that is very religious and any scenes where you are almost going up against an embodiment of evil7satanic force. Well you get my drift?

 

I think everyone has been desensitized by movies and games to the point that demons are no longer a shock. But if you put this game in front of someone who has not been desensitized, they would think the first scene at the portal was pure evil.

[Maniccc]

As someone who has quite a lot of understanding of Christian Theology, let me try to answer/explain, I suppose.  In Christian theology, satanic is anything that, at least overtly, opposes God.  The word "satan" actually means "enemy" or "adversary".  So when Cory claims there is no god, that is satanic.  When he says he wants to become a god, that is satanic.  When a human denies the existence of God, that is satanic.  Any act of opposition to God is satanic.  Anyone who tries to oppose God's will is satanic, anyone who tries to become god, supplant god, is satanic.

 

A lot of Christian art and literature is more mystical than strictly biblical, designed to support the power of the Church on earth by keeping the ignorant masses in line.  The same thing happens today even in secular fields, when you hear things like "national security" or "common good".  Basically any religiously overtoned clarion call, a dogmatic appeal that is beyond question for some.  It is argued by some Christian theologians that the Church is actually satanic, in that they strive to supplant God with their own human political power.

 

In Medieval philosophy and theology, demons are portrayed as the horned beasts, goat legs, and so on.  But in truth (by which I mean what the bible actually tells us about Lucifer), Lucifer (Satan himself) is an angel who rebelled against God, seeking to usurp the Creator's throne.  

 

As far as Lucifer having a representative in DA?  Well, for that you would need some sort of beings like angels, one of whom led a rebellion against the Maker to usurp the throne.  One could suppose that the magisters seeking to visit the Golden City might qualify.  Though it is possible, I suppose, that this is what Gaider or someone has in mind with the ancient Elves and the so-called elven gods.  They were all beings who could use magic, they were immortal...concepts not to dissimilar from the ideas of angels.  Cory claims that the Golden city was empty upon his arrival.  Perhaps the Maker left due to this older war?  Well, that's all speculation, but as far as a Lucifer character, that's about as close as you're likely to get from what I can tell.

[Semyaza82]

Really interesting question OP. My academic background is in Theology and many moons ago actually did a dissertation on depictions of the Devil in film so slightly surprised I'd actually never consider this!

 

While there is fairly obvious inspiration from the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) there doesn't seem to be a single clear Satanic figure within the Chantry's belief system. Demons more generally in the DA universe do have a few parallels to ideas surrounding fallen angels - Maker's first children, turned against his 'favored' human children etc but I wouldn't want to push it too far. 

 

Someone did suggest Tevinter Old Gods as taking this role - and the idea of Satan as a great dragon is certainly one very familiar within Christianity. That said personally I see the little snippets we get about them from within the Chant more closely resemble parts of the Old Testament and the attitude to the gods of other nations - ie false gods. 

Corypheus seeking to take the Throne of the Maker definitely has some parallels with ideas of Satan rebelling, but again I wouldn't want to push the idea too far. Like a lot of well written fantasy you can definitely see connections to real world belief systems, events, people, etc but they are very much 'inspired by' rather than directly based on, so probably not too surprising there isn't a really obvious Devil figure.

 

If, however, you mean things in the game that are 'Satanic' in a more general sense of being connected to evil and/or evil occult forces, then as others have said most of the game has elements

[Iakus]

Such an adversary does not seem to exist in Thedas.  I mean, the Maker himself appears to be absent, as is any serious challenger, and it seems had no one before.

 

The closest I could think of might be the Tevinter Old Gods, who were said to have been imprisoned by the Maker in some distant history.  Now, of course, they only arise as Archdemons:  corrupted dragons leading armies of twisted perversions of humans, elves, dwarves and qunari from a hellish underworld in rampages of murder, cannibalism, and worse...

 

Hmm, we may have a winner here...

[Gervaise]

Since the Maker is an absent figure and belief in him is entirely down to faith, it is rather difficult to have a direct force in opposition.    Cory is effectively the Satan figure since he is denying the existence of the Maker, setting himself up as an alternative and tempting people to lose faith in the Maker.   As a result various people do seem to have crisis of faith, although I do always think it odd when people like Lelianna question why the Maker would allow certain things to happen when the faith she follows teaches that he has effectively abandoned the world until they mend their ways and the Chant is universally followed.  However, that is equally true of Dalish belief who think that their gods will return when they remember how to be proper elves, yet equally believe they were shut away and trapped and so are unable to act.

 

Direct comparisons with real world religions are dubious but the darkspawn, archdemons and corrupted Magisters are about as close as you will get to the devils of Thedas.

 

I would also suggest the Hushed Whispers depiction of the future if the Inquisitor fails is about as near to a vision of hell as we have had so far.

[SnakeCode]

Keiran, straight outta The Omen that one...

[Rawgrim]

The old testament is not really Christian though

 

It is very christian. Can't just dismiss the unpopular bits. Its all or nothing with religion.

[Ashagar]

Of course the old testament is a important part of Christianity's heritage its just not meant to be taken literally, a concept that early Christian leaders both warned against and is a relatively modern concept but that is another matter.

 

As for a satanic figure the closest thing would be Corypheus and his fellow magisters, of which only Corypheus seems coherent enough to mount any sort of threat, the rest seem to be down in the deep roads arguing with each other over things they barely remember. That's the thing though in the Andrastian Religion it is man's own hubris that brings it disaster not some sort of vauge demonic figure or fallen angel.

 

There does seem to be the closest thing to a demon King or chief like Asmodeus from Jewish folklore which would be the Nightmare demon which dwells near the black city and commands a army of demons.

[Maniccc]

Of course the old testament is a important part of Christianity's heritage its just not meant to be taken literally, a concept that early Christian leaders both warned against and is a relatively modern concept but that is another matter.

This is not accurate.  There are/were those, both Jewish and Christian, who taught that the OT was not to be taken literally in all instances, such as Maimonedes.  But you must realize that the OT is not a single entity.  It is a series of writings by many authors over hundreds of years.  It has poetry, philosophy, history, theology, morality, and so on.

 

So while there are teachers who will tell you not to take "Jonah and the Great Fish" literally, or the story of Job literally, these people would not tell you to not take literally the history of the Jewish people detailed by chroniclers of the time.  And, of course, there are plenty of people who will tell you that every OT story is literal.  There has been a divide over this for centuries.  There has never been a consensus either way.

[Ashagar]

It's relatively new to Christian thought given biblical literalism is a product of Protestant thought as opposed to the ancient branches of christanity such as the Catholics, eastern and Ortential othrodox and the church of the east who's church fathers warned against the dangers of literalism and in fact viewed it as demeaning to god but that's rather off topic.

[Humakt83]

Blood sacrifices is actually very much a christian thing too. Plenty sacrifice their sons and sheep and whatever in the old testament, at the request of god.

 

That's not Christian thing at all. One major aspect of the Christianity is that blood sacrifices were no longer necessary due to Christ's sacrifice. And AFAIK only Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son but only as a test of faith and faithful Israelites did not practice human sacrifices. That was pagan stuff.

 

Googled it just to make a point that human sacrifice was in fact forbidden in Old Testament:

 

"Deuteronomy 12:31: You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods."

 

http://www.rationalc..._sacrifice.html

[Broganisity]

If by Satanic you mean Corypheus attempting to Usurp the heavens from The Maker? Then get smacked the hell down by the Inquisitor? Then yes, that would be 'Satanic'.

Do you mean creepy blood bad evil stuff? There's some of it, but nothing really dedicated to it or focused on.

Or do you mean Jack Black kinda Satanic? Because Beelzeboss sadly isn't in the game's soundtrack BUT IT SHOULD BE.

[Fantazm1978]

Dude needs to buy the game, play it, and find out what's in it and what happens.

[X Equestris]

It is very christian. Can't just dismiss the unpopular bits. Its all or nothing with religion.

As others have said, significant parts of the Old Testament are held by Christians to no longer apply, because of Jesus's sacrifice.

Dude needs to buy the game, play it, and find out what's in it and what happens.

I have to agree. Why make these threads, OP, when you could buy the game and find out yourself?

[leaguer of one]

the bloody fade portion of the game.

[stonerbishop]

There are all those pentagram in skyhold s basement. That's pretty satanic

[line_genrou]

*sigh*

[stonerbishop]

Oh and the fact that you can do magic because that is also satanic

Oh and dancing. That's evil

(Stonerbishop was raised by hyper - fundamentalist christians)