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Commander Shepard was originally a woman by default.

Débuté par Flog the Undying , janv. 09 2015 06:57

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#51
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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:38

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It was 2 created protagonists. One trailer for male and female wouldn't be hard (just like they did with ME3 but they went and ruined it with constantly showing dudeshep only). A handful of trailers that show both would have been ideal. Like few trailers for male and other for female.

And i don't give a fig about other games, i'm talking about this game and what should've been done.

 

I just don't get it at all. Games like these shouldn't have shown the "protagonist" at all since they're customizable. Unless is a set one and Mass Effect doesn't have a set protagonist.

 

You didn't answer the question.

 

Games "need" protagonists because we're humans, and identify with humans (or human-like entities). Additionally, in a world bombarded with information, each piece of media is fighting for our attention and needs a hook. Displaying different protagonists clouds perception, it leaves potential customers confused.

 

How many games do you know of with created protagonists that show more than one?


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:39

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May have had nothing to do with what's hard or not and just simply marketing, what people think is fair doesn't come into it.

 

Ofc. Hope in the future they will stop all this and start marketing both genders. The dudes will still get their marketing. Nobody is losing.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:43

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Don't forget Jacob cheating after 6 months, knocking someone up and starting a family during a reaper war, rubbing it in her face, then having the other woman rub it in her face, and oh...we naming the baby after you. You can't really call him out on it in the vanilla game. But Kaidan sure as hell called her out on sleeping around after the 2 year separation. I wish I could have put Kaidan in his place like male Shepard could put Ashley in her place.

 

The world is largely designed with a 'him' in mind rather than a 'her' in mind, and that is just how I personally feel. Female Sheaprd practically has to throw herself at her possible suitors to get noticed. Male Shepard has women throwing themselves at him or finds out they adore and have a crush on him. Lots of asari strippers...where are the turian strippers?  :P

 

yeah I know no idea what Bioware was thinking with Jacob in ME3 like what the hell?
I think he wasn't that popular but still if they would have done something like that with Miranda ...damm the game would be ruined for me

 

And I know what you mean Liara and Tali are by default crazy about you but I actually hated that (fangirling over Shepard)

 

 

 

 


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:47

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You didn't answer the question.

 

Games "need" protagonists because we're humans, and identify with humans (or human-like entities). Additionally, in a world bombarded with information, each piece of media is fighting for our attention and needs a hook. Displaying different protagonists clouds perception, it leaves potential customers confused.

 

How many games do you know of with created protagonists that show more than one?

 

Most of games have set protagonists (a stubble dude, what a surprise), and even games that have customizable ones show only one, a dude human.. Games with 2 or more protagonists, should not get one of them shown. Either both, or don't show any at all like DAO did...... until that one with the dudewarden.

 

 

Hunted the demon forge has 2 protagonists, both playable and yet they showed both of them. They even are in the front cover. Doesn't "cloud perception" and certainly does not confuse people if explained. Customers aren't stupid. Well, some are but what can we do.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:47

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18% of the people that played ME, rolled a fem Shepard. I'd saying making Shep male by default was a good idea.
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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:51

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I wonder if people complain that online bingo heavily advertises towards women?


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:55

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Most of games have set protagonists (a stubble dude, what a surprise), and even games that have customizable ones show only one, a dude human.. Games with 2 or more protagonists, should not get one of them shown. Either both, or don't show any at all like DAO did...... until that one with the dudewarden.

 

 

Hunted the demon forge has 2 protagonists, both playable and yet they showed both of them. They even are in the front cover. Doesn't "cloud perception" and certainly does not confuse people if explained. Customers aren't stupid. Well, some are but what can we do.

 

I would say that the fact that there aren't any with a customizable protagonist really advertising it is proof enough that they're doing it to make it simple for the customer (Hunted is a coop game, not really comparable, your companion is with you even in single-player).


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:55

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18% of the people that played ME, rolled a fem Shepard. I'd saying making Shep male by default was a good idea.


And most people never met wrex. Should have cut him out.
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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:57

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It's true that the role was suppose to be a man and I like to think Weaver was cast because of how good she was but the main character of a horror movie being a woman is far from a twist, it was fairly common.

 

Regardless of gender we empathize more with the protagonist than other characters as the film is normally from there point of view and because true or not we naturally see women as less able to defend themselves than men so a moment of horror seems to work better from there point of view.

 

That she survived on her own w/out the help of a guy was the twist.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 12:59

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I doubt that it is still 18% or will be. I am a newbie to the franchise. I'm sure other women are discovering and falling in love with the MEU. Hopefully, they will make advertisement that includes the female protagonist as well for ME:NEXT (hopefully).


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:01

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I doubt that it is still 18% or will be. I am a newbie to the franchise. I'm sure other women are discovering and falling in love with the MEU. Hopefully, they will make advertisement that includes the female protagonist as well for ME:NEXT (hopefully).

 

If the marketing out there was more friendly to women, then this could certainly bring more women to the franchise.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:05

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And most people never met wrex. Should have cut him out.

 

What's really weird is that the majority of players saved Wrex in ME1, but only 18% even met him in ME3.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:10

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What's really weird is that the majority of players saved Wrex in ME1, but only 18% even met him in ME3.

 
Consider how many new players came to the game. Wrex was not a default for players who began with ME2, possibly ME3 (unsure there).

If the marketing out there was more friendly to women, then this could certainly bring more women to the franchise.

 
How is friendly defined by what sex the main protagonist is?

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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:12

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If the marketing out there was more friendly to women, then this could certainly bring more women to the franchise.

I was watching other swtor class quest videos, since I only could get through bounty hunter, agent and trooper stories, and saw a youtube video of the first meeting with Aria for Garrus's recruitment mission attached. Her aura and personality drew me into wanting to play this game...just to meet her.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:17

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Mass Effect 3 tried so hard to be accessible to all genders, sexual orientations, etc. Of course, instead of that effort being rewarded, it is now being criticized for not adapting sooner.

 

Most of games have set protagonists (a stubble dude, what a surprise), and even games that have customizable ones show only one, a dude human.. Games with 2 or more protagonists, should not get one of them shown. Either both, or don't show any at all like DAO did...... until that one with the dudewarden.

 

 

Hunted the demon forge has 2 protagonists, both playable and yet they showed both of them. They even are in the front cover. Doesn't "cloud perception" and certainly does not confuse people if explained. Customers aren't stupid. Well, some are but what can we do.

Neither game you named strikes me as a successfully marketed one. I've never even heard of the latter game, and I had no idea how DAO worked until I looked it up and found myself unimpressed (just an opinion).

 

Remember, Mass Effect was originally an Xbox 360 exclusive way back in 2007. Don't pretend that the market for a new Action/RPG on the Xbox at that time was just swarming with women. After ME1, Sheploo became the recognizable face of the franchise, so it made sense to continue that.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:19

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 How is friendly defined by what sex the main protagonist is?

 

Because they'd prefer their own gender to be seen? Just like some dudes who prefer seeing dude protagonists since the marketing focus only on them.

I personally prefer female protagonists than male ones.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:21

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You know, I wouldn't have minded that at all if Mass Effect wasn't one of the best RPGs in history. I like the idea of a female protagonist.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:27

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Because they'd prefer their own gender to be seen? Just like some dudes who prefer seeing dude protagonists since the marketing focus only on them.

I personally prefer female protagonists than male ones.

 

I can understand that idea. Though I don't know that I prefer males, I just prefer how they're portrayed.

 

Lightning and Noctis are equally bad-@ss (though Noct is much prettier).


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:29

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I can understand that idea. Though I don't know that I prefer males, I just prefer how they're portrayed.

 

Lightning and Noctis are equally bad-@ss (though Noct is much prettier).

 

Noct is prettier than Lightning? Wow rude. :P

Well, i still prefer Light anyway for reasons. Or Fang.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:30

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If you look at how divinity original sin is marketed, that is a pointer in how to do it (although there are two protagonists if you play single player, but they don't have to be m/f).
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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:33

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Noct is prettier than Lightning? Wow rude. :P
Well, i still prefer Light anyway for reasons. Or Fang.


Oh, don't get me wrong. Light is my waifu :D

"We live to make the impossible, possible. That, is our focus!"

Just played that game two months ago for like the fifth time, and got goosebumps at that line again.

But really, Noct is just pretty. Same for Genesis. But anyway, where were we.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 01:43

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18% of the people that played ME, rolled a fem Shepard. I'd saying making Shep male by default was a good idea.

 

18% of the fanbase? Tiny number

 

18% interest on a credit card? Lose my gorram mind!


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 03:39

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I think Bioware is smart enough to not make Femshep the default when only 18% of their playerbase plays Femshep. Marketing the Maleshep mostly is the wise thing to do on their part. That said, people need to be aware of the Femshep too because Jennifer Hale is awesome. So far I played about 7 times as Maleshep and 1 time as Femshep.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 08:07

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And most people never met wrex. Should have cut him out.

 

They kinda did though didn't they? Isn't he dead in the default no-import game? 

 

 

I really wish they would've made FemShep more muscular though. I managed to do a Femshep playthrough in ME1 and ME2 but I have yet to finish one in ME3. She's just so damn skinny, especially when you compare her to how bulky ManShep is in ME3. I don't even know why it bugs me so much. Probably a stupid reason to not play as her but its kind of an immersion breaker. I just feel like someone who goes through as much physical exercise as Shepard would look a bit more intimidating.


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Posté 10 janvier 2015 - 08:42

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Smart move they made broshep as default and used him most of the time in marketing use the more popular option. With only 18 percent playing femshep easy choice to focus on the more popular broshep. Not saying that is fair but safe choice for marketing.


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