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[omgodzilla]

Why do they even have a default choice? Why not just ask us "would you like to play as a male or female?" as soon as you hit the "New Game button" and then go on to everything else from there?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

That she survived on her own w/out the help of a guy was the twist.

 

Regarding everyone's comments about Alien's twists:

 

"The script by O'Bannon and Shusett also had a clause indicating that all of the characters are "unisex", meaning they could be cast with male or female actors; consequently, all of the characters are only referred to by their last name (Dallas, Kane, Ripley, Ash, Lambert, Parker, and Brett), and the few gender-specific pronouns (he/she) were corrected after casting."

 

The change made to the script was that it was Dallas, the Captain, who was originally intended to survive. This was changed to Ripley at a later stage.

[von uber]

I'm always a bit dubious about those stats bioware released.
Would be interesting to see what they are now - although how to collect them and filter out multiple playthroughs is an issue.
Does only your first choice count? What if you have done one broshep first then 25 femsheps?
I know for a fact the statistics don't include any of my playthroghs.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'm always a bit dubious about those stats bioware released.
Would be interesting to see what they are now - although how to collect them and filter out multiple playthroughs is an issue.
Does only your first choice count? What if you have done one broshep first then 25 femsheps?
I know for a fact the statistics don't include any of my playthroghs.

 

They would only contain the playthroughs of people who had the "feedback" option checked. That message flashes up the first time you install the game, explaining that EA collects data, referred to as telemetry.

 

Everyone who played the game with the feedback turned on would have all of their choices (including gender of Shephard) transmitted as they played. The system would update your info periodically (similar to how the data for Dragon Age: Origins or N7 HQ is periodically updated.)

 

Several things to be aware of:

 

- 18% of Shephards being female does not mean that 18% of players are female.

 

- 18% of Shephards being female is actually a very telling point. It means that the market for games featuring female protagonists is huge. It would be easy to see it as a small number. It is not. It means that nearly one in every 5 playthroughs, a female avatar was chosen, and that told EA that it was a very good idea to provide both options. Most people did not believe that number would be so high only a few years earlier.

 

- All of your choices count, during all of your playthroughs.

 

- The vast majority of the people who's data was collected have never been on, nor heard of BSN. BSN's forum posters do not represent the player base in a significant way, and are only a very small minority of it. Mass effect sold in the millions. BSN's membership measures in the thousands.

[von uber]

It could also prove that if you generally market a male protagonist you will generally get a male protagonist chosen. The 82% could be a self fulfilling prophecy.

[willnz]

I always play as Sheploo as I found he looked significantly more authentic as a real character than anything I could make in the CC. Minus a few hilarious creepy smiles I personally always got the impression the face animations were designed for his face. I tried a few times to make a custom maleshep or femshep but found they always ended up looking way too much like a generic NPC character to play as for a whole playthrough and all the other important NPCs look so much more detailed and high-res compared to him/her. I'm almost certain if more detail and face-capture was used for a 'default' femshep then she would have had a much higher play time.

 

However, due to a significant improvement to the CC I played as a custom female Inquisitor though as I found that I could really make a character who looked unique and stand up to other main characters. I will almsot certainly go the custom route in NME.

[von uber]

don't be so misandrist

Bioware should give Femshep a menstrual cycle and allow only renegade choices during the moon days, as well as make the mouse shaky a bit during combat.

Don't be so misogynistic.

[Rittmeister64]

Don't be so misogynistic.

I love nothing more than women. Unless they're feminazis of course. And, it was a joke, I don't really want Bioware to add menstrual cycles to the game, unless women demand it of course.

[tracesaint]

Don't all men start out as a woman by default?  Is that the right emoticon to use? Ah, oh well.

[Daemul]

Don't all men start out as a woman by default?  Is that the right emoticon to use? Ah, oh well.

 We do, but then nature corrects itself and restores order to the universe.  Am I right guys?

 

 

 

Guys?

[Flog the Undying]

I love nothing more than women. Unless they're feminazis of course. And, it was a joke, I don't really want Bioware to add menstrual cycles to the game, unless women demand it of course.

 

Jokes can be misogynistic.

[kazumasoju]

thank god this didn't happen
 
good for the females that they have their options but for me Shepard is a male (with his default face, can't stand looking at another) and voiced by Mark Meer!

But how would you feel if your version of shepard was never represented until what was an after thought in mass effect 3's marketing?

Thats exactly how everyone else feels ~ particularly those of us who choose femshep

[Han Shot First]

But how would you feel if your version of shepard was never represented until what was an after thought in mass effect 3's marketing?

Thats exactly how everyone else feels ~ particularly those of us who choose femshep

 

I'm not sure why people care about marketing, to be honest. 

 

Had the marketing been the other way around and Fem Shep was the face of Mass Effect, I'd have still chosen Sheploo. And it wouldn't have bothered me that my Shepard wasn't in the commercials.

[Enrychan]

I'm not sure why people care about marketing, to be honest. 
 
Had the marketing been the other way around and Fem Shep was the face of Mass Effect, I'd have still chosen Sheploo. And it wouldn't have bothered me that my Shepard wasn't in the commercials.

 
because marketing advertises what's in the game? many people didn't even know that femShep was an option. They thought maleShep was the only possible protagonist.
 

Smart move they made broshep as default and used him most of the time in marketing use the more popular option. With only 18 percent playing femshep easy choice to focus on the more popular broshep. Not saying that is fair but safe choice for marketing.

first comes the marketing campaign for a product, then the product becomes popular, not the other way around. In femShep's case, she had no iconic face and nearly 0 marketing except for a secondary version of a cinematic trailer for ME3

[Element Zero]

I'm not sure why people care about marketing, to be honest.

Had the marketing been the other way around and Fem Shep was the face of Mass Effect, I'd have still chosen Sheploo. And it wouldn't have bothered me that my Shepard wasn't in the commercials.

You know the BSN crowd loves to complain about even the slightest hint that someone vaguely considered allowing a "social injustice" to creep into the light of day. Folks here are super-reactionary. It's tiresome, at times, but not enough so to keep me away on most days. This post aside, I just stay out of the pseudo-SJW threads.

Both Shepards were awesome. I played about 80% Femshep in the first two games. In-game changes that affected both character models, Hale's excessively flirty delivery that got even worse than in ME2, gripes about the Character Creator, and an improved performance by Meers all have me now playing Sheploo 80% of the time.

Having high-quality default appearances for each gender would've been great, but it didn't happen. I can make some really good FemSheps with the CC, but they'll never have the quality textures of Sheploo (I'm playing on XBox360), and they still require tweaks with a Save Editor to even be competitive. I am curious to see what they do this next time

[Dubozz]

thank god this didn't happen

 

this

[StayFrosty05]

As an older woman I am baffled why people get so worked up and make a war of the so called femShep vs manShep, seriously what's with that? The default when firing up a new game is John Sheploo, but so what, I can change the sex, change the appearance, change the Class (defaults to Soldier), change the history and change the first name, I get all these options and use most of them, is fantastic we get all these options...my personal favorite a manShep Infiltrator Earthborn War Hero with custom face and new name and love looking at all the custom Sheps (both Shep sexes) people create, so much more interesting than Sheploo (generally find most of them better looking than Sheploo anyway, despite the plastic appearance of the generated faces people do beautiful work with their Sheps).

We have here a game that actually offers all these options and makes all these options viable, whether male/female, new face, another Class, new name, etc...their all valid, so seriously what is there to argue about? The argument is as insane and ridiculous as complaining about Sheps tummy being patted by Anderson O.o

[Gkonone]

That model was for testing purposes, doesn't say anything. Other than that, I prefer Sheploo as he fits the bill, he's a cool looking guy and I like to romance women.

He's also on most box cover art, when I think of Shepard, it's the default one.

[Liveshiptrader]

You know the BSN crowd loves to complain about even the slightest hint that someone vaguely considered allowing a "social injustice" to creep into the light of day. Folks here are super-reactionary. It's tiresome, at times, but not enough so to keep me away on most days. This post aside, I just stay out of the pseudo-SJW threads.

 

 

The idea of people thinking this is a social injustice is why people have a problem with SJW and slacktivism, this is such a non-issue outside of personnel preference, if you prefer female leads and want that fair enough, games we buy should include what customers want but the idea that they should be included because some people think it's morally right is beyond silly.

[Rittmeister64]

Jokes can be misogynistic.

can be. but there's also professionally offended people.

[Flog the Undying]

can be. but there's also professionally offended people.

 

Considering these people weren't getting paid to be upset by your comments, I'd say that's unlikley here.

[kazumasoju]

I find it rediculous that in this day and age; people refuse to look at other's perspective because it "ruffles their feathers". We often don't realize how much marketing and mass media influence society. To be blunt ( and acknowledging the elephant in the room ) women are horribly and underwhelmingly represented in media, but more importantly ~ the gaming industry.

When an organization markets one option, they're essentially saying "this is who this game is for", "these are the people we want playing our games" whether intentional or not. A survey of the current gaming landscape reveals a detrimental lack of diversity. Among the most anticipated games of this year, you see: Batman Arkham Knight, Halo 5, MGS V, Mighty No.9, The Legend Of Zelda Wii U, The Witcher 3, The Division, Uncharted 4, The Order 1886, Battlefield Hardline, Rainbow 6 Siege, and Final Fantasy XV ( most which predominantly feature white males as the protagonist ). Albeit we are doing better with Rise Of The Tomb Raider and No Man's Sky ( which isn't even a triple A title ). There really is no denying this ludicrous abscence of diversity.

Maybe when you live in a world where your very definition; your only importance is represented as a sexual object, when your voice is labaled as "femenist extremism", when you pick up a controller and your gender is reduced to being an incable princess who has to wait on a plumber to come save her. Maybe then you'll get it.

And somehow - by chance - you finally find this freaking awesome character. She can be whoever you want to be and look however you want her to look. Only to get this acknowledged at the backend of a series - that has already been defined by years of marketing - with a trailer that was hardly shown.
Maybe when jokes about your menstral cycle being implemented into gameplay are thrown around ( seriously guys? ) Maybe thats when you will get it.

~
I love bioware and their push for diversity has been amazing. It is definitly something I appreciate. However, marketing communicates what your game is about and DOES have an impact on who buys it. Diversity is important people. And more specific to this; Women are treated as lesser in the gaming industry and its culture. This is not an opinion, this is fact.

And this needs to change

[Jukaga]

I knew it! The very first time I played Mass Effect I just had to play as a female Commander. It just felt right then and it still does.

[Jukaga]

Just make it so for the NME. And have Emily Blunt as both the model and voice actor for Neo "Not Shepard". 

Not a bad choice, but I'm partial to Antje Traue, as someone posted here ages ago:

 

[Rittmeister64]

when your voice is labaled as "femenist extremism", when you pick up a controller and your gender is reduced to being an incable princess who has to wait on a plumber to come save her. Maybe then you'll get it.

Honestly, I hate Nintendo and Mario, but getting offended over a fantasy story where a fun character has to rescue a princess is a bit over the top really.

Besides, the princess isn't incapable at all, don't you get it? she's constantly PRETENDING to have to be rescued in every game.

Look at it... a young trophy wife, in the parlance of our times, you know, and she, uh, uh, owes money all over town, including to known hustlers, and that's cool... that's, that's cool, I'm, I'm saying, she needs money, man. And of course they're going to say that they didn't get it, because... she wants more, man! She's got to feed the monkey, I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

And ... man, she kidnapped herself.