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[TheKomandorShepard]

Difference is that back when they were making DAO, they didn't think the series was going to continue which is why everything seems pretty final with regards to the endings. With Inquisition, they know they are making more games so they aren't going to retcon things if they can help it. And if you think Leliana's ending is going to backfire, I can easily say the same things about the Cass or Vivienne endings. Man, I wish I could see your face if Leliana's ending turns out to be the best with no backfire. The butthurt would be glorius.

They never intented go with magi boon because as i said it was unrealistic they knew that even dg said that boon was ridiculous but still wanted it there as an option. And not rly as leliana comes up with dinsey ending "happiness for everyone" that realistically speaking is short-term at best and she have no idea how to deal with mages in first place when viviene and cassandra have great knowledge on that topic.Not mention she lets mages be free what pretty in reality sacrifices thedas safety.

 

Viviene , Cassandra and even Dorian point that leliana route have massive chance going poorly.

[Akkos]

Viv could be a great divine if she was more open minded...she's rational, a Mage, and brilliant. However, I can't help but think she has some hidden agenda, and we will see her in the next game. I think that's why she wasn't a romance option, because her story is yet to be told, and they didn't want a romance to complicate things.

 

To be frank, Vivienne has a mask on. That's what she comes out as rude and bleh as you think. She is the better choice actually..

 

She knows what's best for the mages. That's why she needed a way for a mage to get that opportunity as she was just a commoner.

[thesuperdarkone2]

They never intented go with magi boon because as i said it was unrealistic they knew that even dg said that boon was ridiculous but still wanted it there as an option. And not rly as leliana comes up with dinsey ending "happiness for everyone" that realistically speaking is short-term at best and she have no idea how to deal with mages in first place when viviene and cassandra have great knowledge on that topic.Not mention she lets mages be free what pretty in reality sacrifices thedas safety.

 

Viviene , Cassandra and even Dorian point that leliana route have massive chance going poorly.

You do realize she recreates the Seekers if Cass doesn't

[TheKomandorShepard]

You do realize she recreates the Seekers if Cass doesn't

So what i had no idea seekers could bend reality to their will...

[thesuperdarkone2]

They never intented go with magi boon because as i said it was unrealistic they knew that even dg said that boon was ridiculous but still wanted it there as an option. And not rly as leliana comes up with dinsey ending "happiness for everyone" that realistically speaking is short-term at best and she have no idea how to deal with mages in first place when viviene and cassandra have great knowledge on that topic.Not mention she lets mages be free what pretty in reality sacrifices thedas safety.

 

Viviene , Cassandra and even Dorian point that leliana route have massive chance going poorly.

Then Cassandra says the Chantry needs someone like Leliana in charge

[TheKomandorShepard]

Then Cassandra says the Chantry needs someone like Leliana in charge

literally i just reloaded save and had talk with cassandra about being divine and she told me that leliana would throw chantry/world in chaos so well...

[thesuperdarkone2]

literally i just reloaded save and had talk with cassandra about being divine and she told me that leliana would throw chantry/world in chaos so well...

http://youtu.be/7ImFxa614nU?t=2m19s

[TheKomandorShepard]

http://youtu.be/7ImFxa614nU?t=2m19s

She cleary speaks about someone who will bring changes in chantry (as she wasnts do herself) but it is clear as i said when you ask her about what she think about leliana as other candidate she thinks her changes will cause chaos .

[Akkos]

http://youtu.be/7ImFxa614nU?t=2m19s

 

Regardless she even offered to remain as right hand, but Leliana has other ideas.   Seems like Leliana is not counting on Cassandra at all since she want to abolish the Chantry system... 

[AshesEleven]

So what are your reasons for thinking cassandra is better than leliana? Not that I disagree, just curious.

 

I find Leliana too radical.  Specifically hardened Leliana has these crazy ideas of reforming the Chantry that strike me as far too strong.  She basically gets rid of Circles entirely and completely and fully accepts other races immediately, and anyone who disagrees gets killed.  

 

Cassandra just seems to understand what the Chantry needs far better than Leliana, and considers it her solemn duty to reform the Chantry in a way that ensures its survival while also effecting much needed change.  She's gonna bring far more much needed stability back to the world than Leliana will, and she's going to bring about change, albeit at a slower pace.  

[ThreeF]

She can just put Josephine and the Inquisition on speed-dial, then, in a worst case scenario. No biggie. 

 

 

Outmaneuver the Divine who has Leliana and Josephine as friends and is the lover my Inquisitor?

 

They must be stupid. 

 

The way Cassandra is she might not ask for help, she will just act . She is a person of actions not scheming, it's especially prominent in case where her relationship with Inquisitor is not peachy she handles the opposition with force. So even if she has good relationship I wonder what will happen when Inquisition is no more?

 

I don't think that any of the three people are ideal for the role,  there is no perfect ending for that particular choice:

 

In case of even softened Leliana "Miraculously her words take root" sounds really suspicious to me. i kind of think she is just a tad more subtle and relies more on spying and blackmailing than the hardened version of her.

 

Viviene is practically a brute, to tell the truth for all her machination I was expecting more finesse from her.

[Basement Cat]

The way Cassandra is she might not ask for help, she will just act . She is a person of actions not scheming, it's especially prominent in case where her relationship with Inquisitor is not peachy she handles the opposition with force. So even if she has good relationship I wonder what will happen when Inquisition is no more?

 

I don't think that any of the three people are ideal for the role,  there is no perfect ending for that particular choice:

 

In case of even softened Leliana "Miraculously her words take root" sounds really suspicious to me. i kind of think she is just a tad more subtle and relies more on spying and blackmailing than the hardened version of her.

 

Viviene is practically a brute, to tell the truth for all her machination I was expecting more finesse from her.

It's not all that surprising, considering how we meet her. The first thing she does is freeze a guy solid. That's not exactly finesse. That's a mage's version of punching a guy in the face.

[ThreeF]

It's not all that surprising, considering how we meet her. The first thing she does is freeze a guy solid. That's not exactly finesse. That's a mage's version of punching a guy in the face.

 

She doesn't outright kills him or tell him to leave, she manipulates the situation and you to tell her what to do with him, probably to make you feel that you are in control. I had a really good laugh when my Inquisitor asked her what qualities a Divine should have, because she clearly speaks about herself (or at least how she sees herself).

[Basement Cat]

She doesn't outright kills him or tell him to leave, she manipulates the situation and you to tell her what to do with him, probably to make you feel that you are in control. I had a really good laugh when my Inquisitor asked her what qualities a Divine should have, because she clearly speaks about herself (or at least how she sees herself).

It's still use of brute force. Sure, she manipulates us in this situation, but the marquis? She's essentially holding a gun to his head and asking us if she should pull the trigger. She needs us to achieve her goals so she's using finesse with us. People she sees as pawns or foes? She comes down hard.

 

It's an interesting parallel with Sera that we meet both of them after meeting a poncy noble with an overly high opinion of themselves who then gets taken down hard. Not in the same fashion, but still.

[ThreeF]

It's an interesting parallel with Sera that we meet both of them after meeting a poncy noble with an overly high opinion of themselves who then gets taken down hard. Not in the same fashion, but still.

 

Oh, it definitely is.

[Aramintai]

What you need to do, OP, is to disband the templars, allow Cassandra to reform the Seekers, tell Cullen to stop taking lyrium and say to everyone you want mages to be free. Support Leliana and she will be the new Divine who will disband the Circles, the Templars will follow Cullen's example and stop taking lyrium, and the bulk of them will join with the Seekers as a new order that stands for justice for all. This way mages are free, but there's still a force out there to deal with maleficars and abominations.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Difference is that back when they were making DAO, they didn't think the series was going to continue which is why everything seems pretty final with regards to the endings. With Inquisition, they know they are making more games so they aren't going to retcon things if they can help it. And if you think Leliana's ending is going to backfire, I can easily say the same things about the Cass or Vivienne endings. Man, I wish I could see your face if Leliana's ending turns out to be the best with no backfire. The butthurt would be glorius.

At this point I WOULD be surprised if our choices have any large affect on the world moving forward. Bioware always has a cannon choice, and that's all that really matters. If they want mages to be free for next game and you chose viv or cassandra as divine they will figure out a way to twist things around. I think bioware though would be happy if we all forgot about dragon age origins even dragonage2 really, I think the plan is to move forward from this game ,and slowly fade out the previous games and their characters, give or take a few. Anyone expecting a the hero of fereleden to return is crazy.

[I present Chuck Bass]

What you need to do, OP, is to disband the templars, allow Cassandra to reform the Seekers, tell Cullen to stop taking lyrium and say to everyone you want mages to be free. Support Leliana and she will be the new Divine who will disband the Circles, the Templars will follow Cullen's example and stop taking lyrium, and the bulk of them will join with the Seekers as a new order that stands for justice for all. This way mages are free, but there's still a force out there to deal with maleficars and abominations.

The seekers scare me though, they would be like the CIA. Once cassandra dies, who knows what could happen. If I make leliana divine though I will be in the same boat as your except I I didn't disband the templars, I don't want the inquistiion to be this super powerful force, could spell trouble for the future. Let's face that's how the first seekers came to be.

[I present Chuck Bass]

I picked Leliana. (minor spoilers ahead) I was tempted to go with Cass, but no matter what path you took leading up to choosing the next divine, it becomes clear the Seekers and Templar are deeply flawed and in need of a new leader who can take a direct role. Cass simply put is perfect for the job. She also wouldn't rest tell she has found a way to make the tranquil process a thing of the past. If she was forced to take up the mantle of the new divine, than it's a pretty safe bet she wouldn't have the time needed to find a better way. On top of that the Seekers are far to important to her for her to leave. On the surface she seems willing to leave the Seekers for divinehood(if thats even a word) but, I pretty sure doing so would leave her with some deep-seated regrets.

 

To me picking Cass because she detests politics is a bad idea. Because like it or not, she is going to get pulled into them and be forced to play the game in one way or another. It comes with being a divine. Also, given how many people with political status where willing to turn on those around them for a promise of power a divine will always have a target or their forehead. Leliana would be better suited at playing politics when need be or snuffing out a threat it has to be done. 

 

Also, I think those who accuse Leliana of being to harsh are only seeing part of her character. In both DA:O and DA:I she did show a softer side and did show that no matter what her head and heart are in the right place. I mean she does show an honest sympathy for the elf's and a willingness to do what ever she could to help them. On top of that I don't she her not picking Cass to be her right hand and you do get the impression that Leliana holds Cass in high regard. So she will listen to Cass and the two would probably work together to make the changes to the Chantry to make it better than it ever was and with Cass free to do the same with the Seekers and Templars, Thedas would have a bright future, for once.  

 except if you don't believe mage freedom will lead to a brighter future, therefore Leliana would be a horrible divine on that alone. Im sorry but the common people will never overcome their fear of magic. There will be local witch hunt like efforts against mages,they will be outcasts, and many won't get the guidance and training they need. As long as mages are being possesed , then outbreaks like what happened in dragon age origins, at Redcliffe will continue to happen. The fact is magic is a blessing, but to most its a curse. Mages need overseeing, its sad, but reality is often sad. 

[BobZilla84]

except if you don't believe mage freedom will lead to a brighter future, therefore Leliana would be a horrible divine on that alone. Im sorry but the common people will never overcome their fear of magic. There will be local witch hunt like efforts against mages,they will be outcasts, and many won't get the guidance and training they need. As long as mages are being possesed , then outbreaks like what happened in dragon age origins, at Redcliffe will continue to happen. The fact is magic is a blessing, but to most its a curse. Mages need overseeing, its sad, but reality is often sad.

This on so many levels I feel that the Mages plight is a sad one but sadly it is needed Mages wanting freedom is a noble desire but all of Thedas "Minus Tevinter" dont trust,like or want mages wandering around without someon watching them Chantry,Templars,Seekers.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Hence the entire reason you give Cass the freedom to find a better way and to make much needed changes to the Seekers and Temp's. 

 

yeah but that's just creating more chaos. The seekers would become like a secret police, looking for mages and keeping tabs on them. Thats the thing, fear of magic will never go away. Why put the common people at more risk? Mages are just going to have this fake freedom, when in reality they are going to be tracked, watched, and probably if the seekers see a risk or threat, taken care of. 

[I present Chuck Bass]

True but you simply can't expect all mages to willingly go back to the circle and trying to force them to do so would start the civil war all over again. Also, Cass never said anything about complete freedom, neither did I. All I'm saying is that some kind of middle ground has to be reached or everything will boil over again. 

 

Oh, I assumed you were for complete freedom because you chose Leliana as your divine . Yeah I agree, compromise is needed. I want to support the rebellion so badly, but i detest the leaders. If someone like Rhys was leading the rebellion it would be great, but its people like Fiona and Adrian who don't want compromise, they want their way, which is complete freedom.