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[jackolantern]

From what I've gathered, you're gonna have a bad time playing as a non-shemlen warrior.  Many of the armor options lock out Elves, Dwarves, and Qunari.  This wouldn't be so bad if it didn't put you at a major disadvantage.

 

I can understand some armors being racially locked for lore reasons, like the Legion of the Dead armor, or the Qunari applying vitaar.  However, many random drops, including some Warden pieces I've found, kept my Elf Warrior from wearing level-appropriate armor.  Not to mention, there are some sweet aesthetics players are missing out on because of these racial locks.  I farmed 9k gold specifically for the Templar Armor schematic, only to find out that I couldn't wear it.  Needless to say, I'm a bit upset.

 

Not only does the Templar Armor look awesome, but it's the only Tier 3 schematic I currently have.  How am I supposed to keep up with the ever rising demand for better equipment when I'm simply not able to use any of it?  Especially on my Nightmare run, it's getting a little ridiculous.

 

I've seen a few other forums around concerning this.  I hope there is some way to remedy the issue.

[Just My Moniker]

The race restriction on armors is absolutely ridiculous! With how little variety in armor designs there are in Inquisition, this makes that selection even shorter 

 

I can understand in some instances (Vitaar being Qunari only, Sera not wanting to wear "Elfy" stuff etc. etc....) but the other stuff makes no sense.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

dwarves have the best t3 heavy armor in the game 

so

point  for the dwarves 

[jackolantern]

The race restriction on armors is absolutely ridiculous! With how little variety in armor designs there are in Inquisition, this makes that selection even shorter 

 

I can understand in some instances (Vitaar being Qunari only, Sera not wanting to wear "Elfy" stuff etc. etc....) but the other stuff makes no sense.

Exactly!  It'd be one thing if it wasn't a sizeable chunk of all available armors.  But.  It is.

 

dwarves have the best t3 heavy armor in the game 

so

point  for the dwarves 

Legion of the Dead armor is sweet as hell, too. 

[Broganisity]

...I wore Formal Attire in the final battle. Because it is good to be Champion. ._ ."

[Battlebloodmage]

Majority of people played as humans in Origins. It's likely why they removed it in DA2. They're just prioritizing what they consider most people would be using. That's why dwarves have the least developed storyline out of all the race. Not many want to be a short, stumpy guy in a fantasy game. 

[DiscoGhost]

dwarves have the best t3 heavy armor in the game 

so

point  for the dwarves 

 bro is right. armor of the legion. 

[DiscoGhost]

Majority of people played as humans in Origins. It's likely why they removed it in DA2. They're just prioritizing what they consider most people would be using. That's why dwarves have the least developed storyline out of all the race. Not many want to be a short, stumpy guy in a fantasy game. 

 

i play the cool dwarf before the annoying "oppressed and moody" elf. 

[jackolantern]

Majority of people played as humans in Origins. It's likely why they removed it in DA2. They're just prioritizing what they consider most people would be using. That's why dwarves have the least developed storyline out of all the race. Not many want to be a short, stumpy guy in a fantasy game. 

But that's not an excuse to disadvantage other races in terms of gameplay.  It sucks that Dwarves supposedly don't have a grand story, but actively having gameplay impeded by Trained Only restrictions seems like a bad design choice.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

it's probably the best looking armor yes. 

[Biotic Flash Kick]

i play the cool dwarf before the annoying "oppressed and moody" elf. 

dwarves are fun.

Magic damage? what's that?

 

imagine a templar berserker dwarf in da2!

no wonder it was human only protag 

dwarf would have made the game too easy 

[jackolantern]

it's probably the best looking armor yes. 

My favorite, personally.

But it also has some decent stats.  Being stuck with Tier 2 schematics simply because of Trained-Only restrictions automatically makes it more disadvantageous in terms of gameplay.

[hong]

From what I've gathered, you're gonna have a bad time playing as a non-shemlen warrior.  Many of the armor options lock out Elves, Dwarves, and Qunari.

They don't.

This wouldn't be so bad if it didn't put you at a major disadvantage.

It doesn't.

[Reva-C]

Majority of people played as humans in Origins. It's likely why they removed it in DA2. They're just prioritizing what they consider most people would be using. That's why dwarves have the least developed storyline out of all the race. Not many want to be a short, stumpy guy in a fantasy game. 

 

Really?! I nearly always play an Elf....LOL

[jackolantern]

They don't.


It doesn't.

Apparently, we're playing different games.

[hong]

Apparently, we're playing different games.

Every tier 3 schematic you can buy, other than the templar armour, can also be used by every race.

[jackolantern]

Every tier 3 schematic you can buy can also be used by every race.

Legion of the Dead and Templar schematics are Dwarf-only and Human-only, respectively.  Sturdy and Superior Battlemaster sets are better than the Templar's, but require the Shortlist Perk, or are found randomly.

 

Legion of the Dead has the best armor stats of any in-game armor, but as I said, is Dwarf-only.

 

There you go.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Apparently, we're playing different games.

yeah we play on nightmare

you play on easy 

[jackolantern]

yeah we play on nightmare

you play on easy 

"How am I supposed to keep up with the ever rising demand for better equipment when I'm simply not able to use any of it?  Especially on my Nightmare run, it's getting a little ridiculous."

Ok.

[hong]

Legion of the Dead and Templar schematics are Dwarf-only and Human-only, respectively.  Sturdy and Superior Battlemaster sets are better than the Templar's, but require the Shortlist Perk, or are found randomly.
 
Legion of the Dead has the best armor stats of any in-game armor, but as I said, is Dwarf-only.

Legion of the Dead is not bought, it is found. And I corrected my post to mention templar armour.
 

There you go.

You forgot to mention that you can quite easily beat the game with tier 2 armour, never mind tier 3, never mind masterwork tier 3. Even if that wasn't the case, the jump from regular to masterwork tier 3 is small. From a gameplay perspective there is no "major disadvantage" to not using templar or whatever armour.

[jackolantern]

Legion of the Dead is not bought, it is found. And I corrected my post to mention templar armour.
 

You forgot to mention that you can quite easily beat the game with tier 2 armour, never mind tier 3, never mind masterwork tier 3. Even if that wasn't the case, the jump from regular to masterwork tier 3 is small. From a gameplay perspective there is no "major disadvantage" to not using templar or whatever armour.

I never said Legion of the Dead armor is bought, but I did see you specifically were talking about the armors you could buy when I responded.  I did not see a post correction when I responded.

 

Not on Nightmare difficulty.  On Hard difficulty, the Warden sets are well-enough to finish the game.  For end-game and post-game on Nightmare, Tier 3 is nearly a must.

[hong]

Not on Nightmare difficulty.  On Hard difficulty, the Warden sets are well-enough to finish the game.  For end-game and post-game on Nightmare, Tier 3 is nearly a must.

Yes, even on nightmare difficulty. Browse the Combat & Strategy forum. And (nearly) every tier 3 schematic you can buy can also be used by everyone.

[jackolantern]

Yes, even on nightmare difficulty. Browse the Combat & Strategy forum. And (nearly) every tier 3 schematic you can buy can also be used by everyone.

 

I'm not here to discuss strategy or argue, I'm here to point out a design flaw.

 

Most Tier 3 schematics, as I said, require the Short List perk or are random loots.  "Sturdy Battlemaster Armor" is the only buyable, non-Shortlist Perk related armor on par with the Templar schematic - if I remember correctly.  Not to mention, throughout the progression, many armors are locked for "Human-Trained Only," meaning non-Human characters can be deprived of appropriate equipment based on their level.  My point is: Human-Trained Only extending to a fair share of items can, and will, put players who chose a different race at a disadvantage, combat & strategy forums aside.

[hong]

Most Tier 3 schematics, as I said, require the Short List perk or are random loots.  "Sturdy Battlemaster Armor" is the only buyable, non-Shortlist Perk related armor on par with the Templar schematic - if I remember correctly.

And it's usable by everybody. As are sturdy prowler armour and sturdy battlemage armour. You do not need the masterwork armours to win this game, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Not to mention, throughout the progression, many armors are locked for "Human-Trained Only," meaning non-Human characters can be deprived of appropriate equipment based on their level.  My point is: Human-Trained Only extending to a fair share of items can, and will, put players who chose a different race at a disadvantage, combat & strategy forums aside.

And my point is: that disadvantage is so small as to be negligible. Even on nightmare.

Perhaps you feel aggrieved by the principle that certain armours representing the best-in-slot are not available to everybody. But just because the principle is undesirable doesn't mean that there is a significant gameplay issue. And even then, your argument is misleading, because many race-exclusive armours are not human-only. Legion of the dead is dwarf only, and dalish is elf only.

[Paul E Dangerously]

A bare handful is not "many".

 

And I loathe the fact the only armors that apply to every race are the hideous longcoats or the beige shoulderpads that pass for heavy.