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[TheTsar_]

I ask because obviously a Mage is seen as some unstoppable force of destruction in DA lore, but I remember reading on either the Mage-Hunter shield or Knights-Divine armor that one Templar went on a solo mission and killed over 100 mages o.O

[raging_monkey]

Really depends. Theorectically all temps beat magi(numbers skill etc)

[TheTsar_]

Really depends. Theorectically all temps beat magi(numbers skill etc)

But then how come four exalted marches have failed on Tevinter? 

[Kinsz]

I doubt a seeker could beat a Mage as powerful as flemeth or corypheus for example.

[ZerioctheTank]

I know that blood magic is hard for templars to deal with but then again doesn't everyone struggle with it, even the caster.

[Kinsz]

Ah I see well if we are talking just regular mages then yes Templars and seekers have the advantage.

Although judging from the fights at the Gallows and the hinterlands it was a 50/50 affair.

[Br3admax]

If the mage is dumb enough to let their magic be sealed by one lone Templar, the Templar. 

[dragonflight288]

Lorewise, I'd say a fully trained and confident mage who is expecting a templars abilities is the winner. Tevinter has gone through four exalted marches and have been fighting the Qunari on and off for 200 years, and yet Minrathous is the only capital city that apparently has never been razed. 

 

But if a templar can take a mage by surprise, then the templar wins, as is seen in the War Table missions and sending a templar to Tevinter. 

[Kinsz]

It also important to point out that most mages struggle against Templars in a fight because they know nothing else but casting a few spells , imagine if they were allowed to train with weapons and learn the ways of actual combat on top of their magic , kind of like Hawke in the DA2 trailer when he fights the Arishok. I'd love to play a Mage like that in DA 4.

[Augustei]

But then how come four exalted marches have failed on Tevinter? 

Because of Minrathous, They suceeded in couqering the rest of Tevinter just not the capital, its because it is extremely well fortified and has storage for enough food to last for years, It also has golems. The Orlesians had them besieged and were prepared to keep going and continue the war against Tevinter but then the fourth blight broke out.

But even to this day the Tevinter Magisters don't fully understand the Templars abilities, they don't have proper Templars in the north. Theres a war table mission called The Tevinter Resistance where one of the options is to send a squad of southern Templars to protect the Inquisitions Magister ally from her rivals in the Magisterium. When they attack her they are taken completely unawares by the Templars abilities, and the Templars proceed to kick their ass.

[raging_monkey]

Tell that to Mage Hawke in the Gallows.
 

i did say theorechtically

But then how come four exalted marches have failed on Tevinter?

well that could be from a menagiery of reasons. Strategy, resources, cakes, bad writing

[Br3admax]

It doesn't matter if you expect Templar abilities. The point is to overwhelm them with as much magic as possible before you're neutralized. As soon as the Templar gets in close, it's over. Tevinter can go through Exalted Marches because their army isn't only made out of mages, and Southern Thedas' isn't made only out of Templars. 

 

It also important to point out that most mages struggle against Templars in a fight because they know nothing else but casting a few spells , imagine if they were allowed to train with weapons and learn the ways of actual combat on top of their magic , kind of like Hawke in the DA2 trailer when he fights the Arishok. I'd love to play a Mage like that in DA 4.

 

It's like no one on this forum knows what a Knight-Enchanter is. 

[dragonflight288]

It doesn't matter if you expect Templar abilities. The point is to overwhelm them with as much magic as possible before you're neutralized. As soon as the Templar gets in close, it's over. Tevinter can go through Exalted Marches because their army isn't only made out of mages, and Southern Thedas' isn't made only out of Templars. 

 

Not if the mage trains in weapons and armor. 

[Broganisity]

Depends. If they are both 'powerful' in equal regards, the Templar should, in theory, have the upper hand.

However, not only have we not defined 'what is power' we have also note defined the scenario in which these two face off.

[Bigdoser]

It doesn't matter if you expect Templar abilities. The point is to overwhelm them with as much magic as possible before you're neutralized. As soon as the Templar gets in close, it's over. Tevinter can go through Exalted Marches because their army isn't only made out of mages, and Southern Thedas' isn't made only out of Templars. 

I wonder how does a mage take on a templar solas says that the templars have not taken on a skilled mage in some time when your inquisitor is one while beating them up in the hinterlands. So it is possible to beat them but you have to be skilled. The problem is skilled in what way? 

[Augustei]

Not if the mage trains in weapons and armor. 

Very very few mages are trained in such ways

[Br3admax]

Not if the mage trains in weapons and armor. 

 

Yeah Kinz has a point. A mage with actual martial prowess trumps any Templar 6/10.

The practitioner of all, is the master of none. So nah, what's the point in gimping yourself just to fight a few Templars? Especially since magic is the only thing standing between you and possession?

 

I wonder how does a mage take on a templar solas says that the templars have not taken on a skilled mage in some time when your inquisitor is one while beating them up in the hinterlands. So it is possible to beat them but you have to be skilled. The problem is skilled in what way? 

Those are renegade Templars, basically brigands on lyrium, who were probably never the higher ups of the group. Also, plenty of skilled Templars and mages both go up against the party and die, so....

[TheTsar_]

I wonder how does a mage take on a templar solas says that the templars have not taken on a skilled mage in some time when your inquisitor is one while beating them up in the hinterlands. So it is possible to beat them but you have to be skilled. The problem is skilled in what way? 

I thought that too, a "skilled" southern circle mage would not be half as powerful as a skilled Tevinter mage, imo anyway. Like Dorian, that guy takes on a rift by him self using melee and magic, I'm sure he'd be more than a match for most rank and file Templars.

[Kinsz]

It's like no one on this forum knows what a Knight-Enchanter is.

Or the sort of mage I'm referring to isn't a knight enchanter ? I meant one that's actually well versed in martial arts , adept at using real weapons no spirit blade bs. You could say arcane warrior but that isn't quite what I mean either.

[Br3admax]

Like I said, a mage would never do that. If they don't master their powers, in one way or the other, they'll either be a hedge mage(no), go insane, or be possessed. I don't know how long you think it takes to master spells or swordplay, but it's not something you can just drop on the fly for the other.