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Like I said, a mage would never do that. If they don't master their powers, in one way or the other, they'll either be a hedge mage(no), go insane, or be possessed. I don't know how long you think it takes to master spells or swordplay, but it's not something you can just drop on the fly for the other.
Go insane...
Please enlighten me. And with a source.
Okay, let's try and shake things up a bit, and not just discuss a blank slate beyond "powerful mage/templar"
Instead I'll pose two scenarios, two different circumstances entirely, and we can try and discuss it.
1.) A mage in the isolationist was fully trained in the Circle and is a skilled practitioner of the school of entropy while there but after the events of Asunder ended up among the rebel mages. When Tevinter agents tried convincing him that allowing Alexius in was a good idea, he decided to get out of Dodge, er, Redcliff and ended up in the hills of the Hinterlands. He set up in a cave and acquainted himself with the local flora and fauna, came to know the surroundings. He observed from a distance when Alexius came, the Inquisition setting up shop and the resolution of the rogue groups in the Hinterlands being brought to heel by the Inquisitor but kept himself separate. He's grown content in this life of solitude
A templar joined the Inquisition after the Conclave exploded and was sent to root out the rogue mages who were hurting everyone in the Hinterlands, and to check if any remained after the Inquisitor went through. He's new to the area but was a Knight-Captain with years of experience before the Nevarran Accord was declared void by Lambert. He finds signs of the above mage and sees he's living peacefully, but the mages were conscripted by the Inquisitor and resolves to bring he mage in peacefully if he can, but by force if necessary.
2.) A mage who trained as a recruit as a Knight-Enchanter but hasn't yet made their spirit blade hilt is skilled at using frost and lightning is hunting in the forest to feed a group of mages on their way to the conclave. He was a dalish first captured by templars in his youth, but has since given up hope of returning to his clan, and barely remembers anything of the Dalish beyond some basic tenants he holds close to his heart. Fiery and short-tempered, he's reluctantly converted into the Chantry during his stay and holds a grudge against the chantry and templars.
A templar recruited by the order after they went rogue but before they started taking red lyrium has separated from his own group on the way to the Conclave and is looking for them. He joined the order out of fear of the mages, having come from Kirkwall and when he hears the word "magic" all he can think of is the Chantry exploding. With barely any training beyond the ability to dispel, he is a master swordsman, highly skilled in the sword/shield.
The two bump into each other and tempers flare.
Go insane...
Please enlighten me. And with a source.
Feynriel was going insane, tbh. Them demons like mage bodies, and mages need to learn to protect themselves. You can pretend that had nothing to do with his powers all you want, bro. Sure the demons coming after him were more powerful than most, but so was he.
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Feynriel was going insane, tbh. Them demons like mage bodies, and mages need to learn to protect themselves. You can pretend that had nothing to do with his powers all you want, bro. Sure the demons coming after him were more powerful than most, but so was he.
Feynriel might as well be a unicorn. Cause somniari nawm?
Feynriel was going insane, tbh. Them demons like mage bodies, and mages need to learn to protect themselves. You can pretend that had nothing to do with his powers all you want, bro. Sure the demons coming after him were more powerful than most, but so was he.
Feynriel was also a dreamer, more susceptible than other mages thanks to his ability to enter and exit the fade without lyrium.
Nice attempt, and it would work if it weren't for the fact that he's a somniari, and thus seems to be an exception rather than the rule, especially since most don't survive outside of Tevinter.
Okay, let's try and shake things up a bit, and not just discuss a blank slate beyond "powerful mage/templar"
Instead I'll pose two scenarios, two different circumstances entirely, and we can try and discuss it.
1.) A mage in the isolationist was fully trained in the Circle and is a skilled practitioner of the school of entropy while there but after the events of Asunder ended up among the rebel mages. When Tevinter agents tried convincing him that allowing Alexius in was a good idea, he decided to get out of Dodge, er, Redcliff and ended up in the hills of the Hinterlands. He set up in a cave and acquainted himself with the local flora and fauna, came to know the surroundings. He observed from a distance when Alexius came, the Inquisition setting up shop and the resolution of the rogue groups in the Hinterlands being brought to heel by the Inquisitor but kept himself separate. He's grown content in this life of solitude
A templar joined the Inquisition after the Conclave exploded and was sent to root out the rogue mages who were hurting everyone in the Hinterlands, and to check if any remained after the Inquisitor went through. He's new to the area but was a Knight-Captain with years of experience before the Nevarran Accord was declared void by Lambert. He finds signs of the above mage and sees he's living peacefully, but the mages were conscripted by the Inquisitor and resolves to bring he mage in peacefully if he can, but by force if necessary.
If the mage sees the Templar, the mage. Who's going to be dumb enough and watch one Templar neutralize their magic?
2.) A mage who trained as a recruit as a Knight-Enchanter but hasn't yet made their spirit blade hilt is skilled at using frost and lightning is hunting in the forest to feed a group of mages on their way to the conclave. He was a dalish first captured by templars in his youth, but has since given up hope of returning to his clan, and barely remembers anything of the Dalish beyond some basic tenants he holds close to his heart. Fiery and short-tempered, he's reluctantly converted into the Chantry during his stay and holds a grudge against the chantry and templars.
A templar recruited by the order after they went rogue but before they started taking red lyrium has separated from his own group on the way to the Conclave and is looking for them. He joined the order out of fear of the mages, having come from Kirkwall and when he hears the word "magic" all he can think of is the Chantry exploding. With barely any training beyond the ability to dispel, he is a master swordsman, highly skilled in the sword/shield.
The two bump into each other and tempers flare.
Besides the fact dispel is literally the only Templar ability that has any basis in lore, still the mage. Doesn't matter, Templars need numbers to combat mages from a distance. If they start up close, then the mage might die, but otherwise, in one on one, it's almost always in their favor.
Feynriel might as well be a unicorn. Cause somniari nawm?
Feynriel wasn't going crazy because he was a dreamer.
Feynriel was also a dreamer, more susceptible than other mages thanks to his ability to enter and exit the fade without lyrium.
Made up fact. Never said anywhere.
Nice attempt, and it would work if it weren't for the fact that he's a somniari, and thus seems to be an exception rather than the rule, especially since most don't survive outside of Tevinter.
Okay, let's try and shake things up a bit, and not just discuss a blank slate beyond "powerful mage/templar"
Instead I'll pose two scenarios, two different circumstances entirely, and we can try and discuss it.
1.) A mage in the isolationist was fully trained in the Circle and is a skilled practitioner of the school of entropy while there but after the events of Asunder ended up among the rebel mages. When Tevinter agents tried convincing him that allowing Alexius in was a good idea, he decided to get out of Dodge, er, Redcliff and ended up in the hills of the Hinterlands. He set up in a cave and acquainted himself with the local flora and fauna, came to know the surroundings. He observed from a distance when Alexius came, the Inquisition setting up shop and the resolution of the rogue groups in the Hinterlands being brought to heel by the Inquisitor but kept himself separate. He's grown content in this life of solitude
A templar joined the Inquisition after the Conclave exploded and was sent to root out the rogue mages who were hurting everyone in the Hinterlands, and to check if any remained after the Inquisitor went through. He's new to the area but was a Knight-Captain with years of experience before the Nevarran Accord was declared void by Lambert. He finds signs of the above mage and sees he's living peacefully, but the mages were conscripted by the Inquisitor and resolves to bring he mage in peacefully if he can, but by force if necessary.
2.) A mage who trained as a recruit as a Knight-Enchanter but hasn't yet made their spirit blade hilt is skilled at using frost and lightning is hunting in the forest to feed a group of mages on their way to the conclave. He was a dalish first captured by templars in his youth, but has since given up hope of returning to his clan, and barely remembers anything of the Dalish beyond some basic tenants he holds close to his heart. Fiery and short-tempered, he's reluctantly converted into the Chantry during his stay and holds a grudge against the chantry and templars.
A templar recruited by the order after they went rogue but before they started taking red lyrium has separated from his own group on the way to the Conclave and is looking for them. He joined the order out of fear of the mages, having come from Kirkwall and when he hears the word "magic" all he can think of is the Chantry exploding. With barely any training beyond the ability to dispel, he is a master swordsman, highly skilled in the sword/shield.
The two bump into each other and tempers flare.
I think possibly in the first scenario the Mage would have the upper hand, being a master of Entropy(Basically, control) he would more than likely disable the Templar before he had a chance to dispel the magic in the area.
The second situation would go to the Templar, his close quarter ability would be too much for an amateur knight-enchanter imo, and being a knight-enchanter he would probably be trained in magic to use up close but would never get a chance to use it.
We're used to seeing mooks react to mages in the game, but no ordinary person is going to be doused in flame or fried by lightning and still be an effective fighter seconds later.
As long as they get one spell off before a purge, mage wins.
Incidentally, if the Chantry were smart, they'd have been hiring dwarves as templars.
Feynriel wasn't going crazy because he was a dreamer.
Made up fact. Never said anywhere.
Also never said anywhere. Most don't survive outside of Tevinter because no one can teach them to defend themselves outside of Tevinter, usually.
Ah, ah ah.
Made up fact? I have a video right here proving it.
Go to the 2:50-3:10 mark. In there Merethari outright says that Somniari are unique in their ability to control the Fade and enter and exit it without lyrium.
Like I said, a mage would never do that. If they don't master their powers, in one way or the other, they'll either be a hedge mage(no), go insane, or be possessed. I don't know how long you think it takes to master spells or swordplay, but it's not something you can just drop on the fly for the other.
We're used to seeing mooks react to mages in the game, but no ordinary person is going to be doused in flame or fried by lightning and still be an effective fighter seconds later.
As long as they get one spell off before a purge, mage wins.
Incidentally, if the Chantry were smart, they'd have been hiring dwarves as templars.
Actually, there's some unique dialoge with my dwarf inquisitor with Ser, the man who trained him to be a templar. My dwarf says that because he's a dwarf, his resistance to lyrium would make him a better templar. Ser says that other dwarves felt the same before, but before they became templars they never ingested it, and thus are actually equally at risk of lyrium withdrawal and all the other nasty affects lyrium offers others.
They simply can handle it more effectively than anyone on the surface, but not in the blood, don't inhale and all that stuff. Like that dwarven merchant in Origins who's not quite right because he had some lyrium get in his blood from a cut. He's like a templar who's losing his memory after a period of time. Not as bad as that templar in front of the Chantry in Denerim, but not good either.
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Now that I think about it there is actually a codex entry about this type of Mage in DA I , it mentions that the Mage went up against a Templar In a tourney , at the beginning of the fight the latter got in his shield stance in order to block any incoming fire ball , little did he know the Mage knew martial arts , while the Templar was hiding behind his shield she simply walked up to him and destroyed him with a few melee moves. I believe the codex can be found in the still ruins at the western approach don't quote on me though.
Hawke as well seems to be adept at martial arts if the trailer is anything to go by , which means more mages could practice it , they won't be at anymore risk of possession than they already are.
Yo you're right I remember this codex too. The dude was caught completely off guard though.
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That didn't even say what you said it did. It just says he attracts more demons, not that he's more susceptible to them, and since Feynriel can obviously survive possession, if that was your point, he's obviously not like most.
Yo you're right I remember this codex too. The dude was caught completely off guard though.
Still sounds like a Knight-Enchanter, tbh. Knowing martial arts doesn't make you a master. And since Arcane Warriors have been retconned into Arcane Warrior clones, I'm still leaning into that being the limit.
That didn't even say what you said it did. It just says he attracts more demons, not that he's more susceptible to them.
"He attracts more demons."
"He's the first to survive in 2 ages."
"They are unique in their ability to control the Fade and to enter and exit without lyrium."
What on earth would you call that then? Less susceptible? Just as susceptible?
Yea lol I thought it was funny as hell , though the codex mentions that the Templar had noticed that the Mage was strange as she was wearing armor instead of a robe. I believe she was from Tevinter.Yo you're right I remember this codex too. The dude was caught completely off guard though.
Can't Templar abilities work at range? I got the impression they could seeing as the Templars can supress the breach from up on that balcony. And then theres Holy smite
Can't Templar abilities work at range? I got the impression they could seeing as the Templars can supress the breach from up on that balcony. And then theres Holy smite
You know, some people argue that their abilities don't work at range and Holy Smite was meant to make it more playable in Origins.
But yeah, if their abilities didn't work at range, then it would be impossible for them to suppress a giant hole in the sky so an unpowered anchor can close it.
Meaning that their abilities do work at range, but don't in the game for gameplay reasons.
That always bother me that there isn't at least one mage in the DA universe that has martial training. Like an a apostate mage that is a mercenary trained to use a sword. I can understand gameplay wise why they don't do it but at least an npc.It also important to point out that most mages struggle against Templars in a fight because they know nothing else but casting a few spells , imagine if they were allowed to train with weapons and learn the ways of actual combat on top of their magic , kind of like Hawke in the DA2 trailer when he fights the Arishok. I'd love to play a Mage like that in DA 4.
That always bother me that there isn't at least one mage in the DA universe that has martial training. Like an a apostate mage that is a mercenary trained to use a sword. I can understand gameplay wise why they don't do it but at least an npc.
There's a series of codex entries in Origins after the Fade segment that showed mages were once taught martial skills, but the templars put a stop to it.
It depends on the mage and the templar, just like any other fight. A really good templar should be able to beat an equally good mage just by nulifying their magic and using their fighting ability--presuming they're armored adequately.
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There's a series of codex entries in Origins after the Fade segment that showed mages were once taught martial skills, but the templars put a stop to it.
Because Templars are vagina (no offense ladies).
Now that I think about it there is actually a codex entry about this type of Mage in DA I , it mentions that the Mage went up against a Templar In a tourney , at the beginning of the fight the latter got in his shield stance in order to block any incoming fire ball , little did he know the Mage knew martial arts , while the Templar was hiding behind his shield she simply walked up to him and destroyed him with a few melee moves. I believe the codex can be found in the still ruins at the western approach don't quote on me though.
Hawke as well seems to be adept at martial arts if the trailer is anything to go by , which means more mages could practice it , they won't be at anymore risk of possession than they already are.
Mages can enter tourneys? There are tourneys where the melee involves fireballs and electricity?
That always bother me that there isn't at least one mage in the DA universe that has martial training. Like an a apostate mage that is a mercenary trained to use a sword. I can understand gameplay wise why they don't do it but at least an npc.
Well theres Malcolm Hawke, Hawkes father.
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