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[I present Chuck Bass]

Should they have absolute freedom? Or should the circle be restored to old, or reformed to something new?

 

Wondering everyone's thoughts.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Well, I certainly wouldn't pay much for one.

[raging_monkey]

Well i believe they should have full autonomy away from mundies... far away there can be no peace due to millenium of anti-magic sentiment so best bet for magi is to isolate themselves from "dangerous variables"

[Br3admax]

Mages should be held to the same laws as everyone else. Circles are needed, but if a mage has proven themselves enough, I don't care about them leaving the Tower or having families. Just as long as they are within distance of Templars to protect them or others from them. 

[Akkos]

Pfft. Never.. Never, Never will mages be free..  they are too dangerous to be left alone and unprotected.

 

Incase one of them, get possessed by the demon, they can defeat yes... But they also risk getting themselves exposed to demons.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Well i believe they should have full autonomy away from mundies... far away there can be no peace due to millenium of anti-magic sentiment so best bet for magi is to isolate themselves from "dangerous variables"

 

but is the anti-magic attitude not warranted? 

[ThreeF]

but is the anti-magic attitude not warranted? 

 

It's not. Sure they can turn into abominations and start killing people, on the other hand anyone can go bonkers and go on a killing spree, it is possible.

 

With that attitude everyone and their mother should be locked up in a circle of some sort in Thedas (problem is there wouldn't be anyone to play the Templars)

[hong]

Well, I certainly wouldn't pay much for one.

[LightningPoodle]

No. Less restriction but no, they shouldn't have absolute freedom.

[Br3admax]

It's not. Sure they can turn into abominations and start killing people, on the other hand anyone can go bonkers and go on a killing spree, it is possible.

Yeah, remember that other story about a child killing 70 people? No? All right then. 

[AlexiaRevan]

but is the anti-magic attitude not warranted? 

The law of anti-magic come from the PAST . A Past that is punishing peoples who have done nothing yet . It isnt fair at all . 

 

Yes Magic can be dangerous . But it is the wielder who is dangerous , just like any idiot wielding a sword or an army . dead is dead . 

 

The Thing is , I support Mage freedom but I always supported that the Mage RUN the circle themself . I agree they need to learn and everything hence why a circle would be like an academy for them . It would encourage them to want to be better at controlling themself and know their limits . 

 

But as soon as ya put Templars and watcher dog , ya confine them . When ya confine someone ..they do bad thing . It has been proven over and over . Look at Adruil , his whole life he was in the circle !!! he was taught..and didnt stop him going Bonker . That system doesnt work ANYmore! 

 

And the Solution is...to give the Mage the chance to Prove that they can LIve with everyone else . 

[ThreeF]

Yeah, remember that other story about a child killing 70 people? No? All right then. 

Let's lock up all children then, who knows, one might be a mage who might kill 100 people. Too much "maybe" and "could" in this reasoning.

[flabbadence]

I'm going to go on a Solas here and say, not only should everyone be free, everyone should be mages.

[Vita Brevis]

Doesn't matter. All three Divines treat them differently (well, I'd even say better, all of them) which means by the time of DA4 it'll either stay that way or some sh*t will hit the fan again and our choices won't matter either way. 

We can discuss  all we want but it's pointless.

[AshesEleven]

It's not. Sure they can turn into abominations and start killing people, on the other hand anyone can go bonkers and go on a killing spree, it is possible.

 

With that attitude everyone and their mother should be locked up in a circle of some sort in Thedas (problem is there wouldn't be anyone to play the Templars)

 

Except that this argument completely glosses over the fact that a crazy mage can do SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than a crazy random dude.

[raging_monkey]

but is the anti-magic attitude not warranted?

never said it wasnt

[I present Chuck Bass]

It's not. Sure they can turn into abominations and start killing people, on the other hand anyone can go bonkers and go on a killing spree, it is possible.

 

With that attitude everyone and their mother should be locked up in a circle of some sort in Thedas (problem is there wouldn't be anyone to play the Templars)

   yeah but see here is the thing, you're right anyone can go crazy and start killing people. However only mages can get possessed by demons, and only mages can wipe out entire towns as a result of possession and practicing blood magic. Look at Redcliffe, conor almost killed the entire town. Even a warrior armed head to toe who goes crazy, can't do that.

[Br3admax]

Let's lock up all children then, who knows, one might be a mage who might kill 100 people. Too much "maybe" and "could" in this reasoning.

Nope, let's lock up all the mage children until they prove themselves able to resist possession. The fact is, when extreme danger is present, it's best to set precautions. Every mental patient won't become Norman Bates, but I'm still going to always be in favor of trying to help them instead of letting them run wild. 

[I present Chuck Bass]

I'm going to go on a Solas here and say, not only should everyone be free, everyone should be mages.

 

if everyone could be like Solas, I agree. He is coldhearted though.

[TheTsar_]

Yes. Tevinter is proof that society and the world doesn't crumble if mage's are free. Ironically the region that deems mage's dangerous and locks them away has more problems with them... The Circle causes abominations and blood mages, because they don't allow mage's to master magic due to fear. There's no Kirkwall situations in Tevinter.

[I present Chuck Bass]

 

The law of anti-magic come from the PAST . A Past that is punishing peoples who have done nothing yet . It isnt fair at all . 

 

Yes Magic can be dangerous . But it is the wielder who is dangerous , just like any idiot wielding a sword or an army . dead is dead . 

 

The Thing is , I support Mage freedom but I always supported that the Mage RUN the circle themself . I agree they need to learn and everything hence why a circle would be like an academy for them . It would encourage them to want to be better at controlling themself and know their limits . 

 

But as soon as ya put Templars and watcher dog , ya confine them . When ya confine someone ..they do bad thing . It has been proven over and over . Look at Adruil , his whole life he was in the circle !!! he was taught..and didnt stop him going Bonker . That system doesnt work ANYmore! 

 

And the Solution is...to give the Mage the chance to Prove that they can LIve with everyone else . 

so it sounds like you support more of a complete reform to the current system rather than absolute mage freedom.

[MisterJB]

Yes. Tevinter is proof that society and the world doesn't crumble if mage's are free. Ironically the region that deems mage's dangerous and locks them away has more problems with them... The Circle causes abominations and blood mages, because they don't allow mage's to master magic due to fear. There's no Kirkwall situations in Tevinter.

Tevinter is mage dominated. The Southerners wish to avoid this.

Kirkwall was one extreme but Tevinter is another.

[AlexiaRevan]

so it sounds like you support more of a complete reform to the current system rather than absolute mage freedom.

If the mage can run the circle without chantry or Templar . Then yes , I support That . I do believe in education and everything . 

 

But when templar and chantry decide start blabbering the Maker stuff and wont let anyone go free or have any freedom of any kind....then...hell yeah . I open the door wide and let them roam.....

 

[raging_monkey]

Yes. Tevinter is proof that society and the world doesn't crumble if mage's are free. Ironically the region that deems mage's dangerous and locks them away has more problems with them... The Circle causes abominations and blood mages, because they don't allow mage's to master magic due to fear. There's no Kirkwall situations in Tevinter.

that we know of so it could be just as bad just in a different way