Cole isnt biased , well not in a bad way anyways , he helps the people in need. He didnt say that Lambert wanted to overthrow the Divine before the Asunder events though , Lulu imagined that , here is a video of him talking about it , go to 1:20:20.
LOL. Its not a banter, go question Cole about Lambert. Its his own idle dialogue with Inquisitor hence its not in that video. I said part of it was in his own dialogue and part of it in banter with Cass.
So provide proof of this dialogue then.
Torpor certainly lies throughout that exchange though, hell remember mouse? The demon that pretended to be your ally, a mage who had failed his harrowing. Was that not all a lie?
Torpor certainly lies throughout that exchange though, hell remember mouse? The demon that pretended to be your ally, a mage who had failed his harrowing. Was that not all a lie?
You're speaking of demons, not benign spirits.
Give us one example of a benign spirit deceiving others.
Everyone should be free, well unless they are terrorists, or killers or pedophiles well you get my point!
You're speaking of demons, not benign spirits.
Give us one example of a benign spirit deceiving others.
The one that took Divine Justinia's shape in the Fade.
Assuming it is a benign spirit, anyway.
LOL. Its not a banter, go question Cole about Lambert. Its his own idle dialogue with Inquisitor hence its not in that video. I said part of it was in his own dialogue and part of it in banter with Cass.
Well in my game he doesnt say that Lambert had planned to overthrow the Divine before the Asunder events , be it in banter or not , he does say that he was a bad man though.
Everyone should be free, well unless they are terrorists, or illers or pedophiles well you get my point!
so you're basically saying mages shouldn't be free then... 
It's better not to use the word "circle" if you are going to reform the system anyway.
First step is to fix something is to recognize that what was before is broken and needs fixing.
Hmm, that beats the purpose of being pro-Circle though. I doubt there will be need of name change, that'd just mean making new similar institution and not reforming old one with couple problems it had.
rivain and the anderfels are "white chantry zones" but i love to see rivain.we either are going to tevinter or to the Anderfels. I want to go to the Rivain so badly though.
Well in my game he doesnt say that Lambert had planned to overthrow the Divine before the Asunder events , be it in banter or not , he does say that he was a bad man though.
Nor in mine.
My point is , they dont lie in order to push some agenda like a human would , so sure Cole is biased in that he sides with the innocent's interests , is that a bad thing though?
The one that took Divine Justinia's shape in the Fade.
Assuming it is a benign spirit, anyway.
I don't think that spirit outright lies to us, at least verbally, and even after plaything through the game twice, I'm still not sure what happened there. Was a spirit admiring her and took her shape in a way a spirit of compassion took on the form and role of Cole? Did some part of the Divine continue to live on in the Fade after the Inquisitor entered the real world again? Is it a demon who is an enemy of Corypheus and Nightmare and simply wanted to weaken them?
Now don't get me wrong, if it is a spirit taking on the form of the divine, it is a form of deception even though she never outright lies verbally to us since she never outright says she is the divine, only there to help.
That's the beauty and agony of the Fade, it's near impossible to say with any sense of surety what is actually happening.
What he perceives as an innocent from his perspective, and limited as that is it can be bad yes.
Cole itself admitted that.
It asks you to kill it if ever becomes what it was before.
It's self awareness is greater then it's own perspective, I grant it that.
Doesn't change that he was acting out of compassion, if Lambert was acting out of compassion, Cole would see it that way.. You saying that basically just strengthens the point, lol. Solas did an inherently bad thing, but his actions were that of compassion.
Well in my game he doesnt say that Lambert had planned to overthrow the Divine before the Asunder events , be it in banter or not , he does say that he was a bad man though.
Doesn't change that he was acting out of compassion
rivain and the anderfels are "white chantry zones" but i love to see rivain.
rivain and the anderfels are "white chantry zones" but i love to see rivain.
yeah Rivain and the Korcari Wilds are just crying out to be explored. Tevinter to me sounds so boring, a bunch of snob mages, old stuff and super tanned people.n
What it perceived as compassion yes.
I didn't ever deny that.
I know, but at that time, Cole was doing the things you mentioned and did so out of compassion. But he also knew what Lambert was doing and thought otherwise. In his perspective, you can kill to do the right thing, but Lambert wasn't killing to do the right thing, he was just a bad man.
Mages should have freedom but with terms and conditions. After all just because they are mages even if they do not want to harm anyone they could be possessed. So there should be oversight and there should be someone to educate young mages.
For example the chantry could accept mages into the service and since the chantry is everywhere young mages could be tutored under such a mage or go to the mage college to learn more if they wish. Or some other arrangement where mages don't end up being jailed with templars being the jailers.
it is closer to the equator lol.yeah Rivain and the Korcari Wilds are just crying out to be explored. Tevinter to me sounds so boring, a bunch of snob mages, old stuff and super tanned people.n
Here you go people, you cannot be any more corrupt than this.
Cole: You're a better Seeker than Lambert. You care about everyone.
Cassandra: You knew Lord Seeker Lambert?
Cole: I killed him. He cared more about stopping mages than protecting people.
Cassandra: You killed the Lord Seeker.
Cole: "Pathetic mages. Crush them at Andoral's Reach or starve them out. Doesn't matter which"
Cole: "I need an example, Seekers succeeding, seizing power. Overthrow the Divine, triumphant in the eyes of the Maker."
Also later:
Cole: He killed so many... cold... corrupt. He didn't care so I came and killed him.
Cole: He used rules to hurt people. He always found a way to be right
What he perceives as an innocent from his perspective, and limited as that is it can be bad yes.
Cole itself admitted that.
It asks you to kill it if ever becomes what it was before.
It's self awareness is greater then it's own perspective, I grant it that.
The chances of Cole misjudging someone's character ,.....nah there actually isnt a chance of that happening , if Cole says someone's good intentioned then they are , humans are like an open book to him , its not as if they could deceive him.
cue pro-templars whitewashHere you go people, you cannot be any more corrupt than this.
Cole: You're a better Seeker than Lambert. You care about everyone.
Cassandra: You knew Lord Seeker Lambert?
Cole: I killed him. He cared more about stopping mages than protecting people.
Cassandra: You killed the Lord Seeker.
Cole: "Pathetic mages. Crush them at Andoral's Reach or starve them out. Doesn't matter which"
Cole: "I need an example, Seekers succeeding, seizing power. Overthrow the Divine, triumphant in the eyes of the Maker."
Also later:
Cole: He killed so many... cold... corrupt. He didn't care so I came and killed him.
Cole: He used rules to hurt people. He always found a way to be right
That shows that he was planning to overthrow the divine yes. However it does NOT prove that he planned to do all of this BEFORE Justinia betrayed him. Which is what this entire argument of yours centers on.
Here you go people, you cannot be any more corrupt than this.
Cole: You're a better Seeker than Lambert. You care about everyone.
Cassandra: You knew Lord Seeker Lambert?
Cole: I killed him. He cared more about stopping mages than protecting people.
Cassandra: You killed the Lord Seeker.
Cole: "Pathetic mages. Crush them at Andoral's Reach or starve them out. Doesn't matter which"
Cole: "I need an example, Seekers succeeding, seizing power. Overthrow the Divine, triumphant in the eyes of the Maker."
Also later:
Cole: He killed so many... cold... corrupt. He didn't care so I came and killed him.
Cole: He used rules to hurt people. He always found a way to be right
Thats exactly what he says in the video though , so you arent telling me anything i dont already know , this happens during the Asunder events though , you said that Cole claimed he wanted to overthrow the Divine way before that which i said wasnt true.
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