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[Lulupab]

Yes I didn't remember the previous sentence . "I need an example, Seekers succeeding, seizing power. Overthrow the Divine, triumphant in the eyes of the Maker."  That's the one I remembered but I didn't remember the previous sentence "Pathetic mages. Crush them at Andoral's Reach or starve them out. Doesn't matter which" which clarifies time.

 

But no matter, the fact that Justinia was right is pretty much a canon as she is a martyr and symbol now whereas Lambert is a corrupt lord seeker who will be remembered for his betrayal. Do not even attempt to question Justinia, its like saying Andraste was not a hero. Its a established canon as we very well see in the game.

[SnakeCode]

Lol. Stop squirming. Either provide proof of your claim that Lambert planned to overthrow the divine BEFORE she betrayed him or concede that you were mistaken.

[dragonflight288]

Lambert was a bad guy and will be remembered as such in-game by pretty much everyone. 

 

At this point, does it matter if he was plotting to overthrow her or not before Asunder? What does matter is that he was plotting to overthrow her, and will be remembered always as a traitor throughout Thedas. 

[Lulupab]

Lol. Stop squirming. Either provide proof of your claim that Lambert planned to overthrow the divine BEFORE she betrayed him or concede that you were mistaken.

 

Lol, I admitted that I didn't remember correctly. If anyone is squirming its you with your lonely opinion about Justinia. She was a hero and was even brought to same level as Andraste

 

Cassandra tone: Deal. With. It.

[TheTsar_]

Lol. Stop squirming. Either provide proof of your claim that Lambert planned to overthrow the divine BEFORE she betrayed him or concede that you were mistaken.

Your arguments are terrible.. 

[raging_monkey]

Lol, I admitted that I didn't remember correctly. If anyone is squirming its you with your lonely opinion about Justinia. She was a hero and was even brought to same level as Andraste
 
Cassandra tone: Deal. With. It.

a true hero of thedas lol

[SnakeCode]

Lambert was a bad guy and will be remembered as such in-game by pretty much everyone. 

 

At this point, does it matter if he was plotting to overthrow her or not before Asunder? What does matter is that he was plotting to overthrow her, and will be remembered always as a traitor throughout Thedas. 

It's disingenuous. And yes, Lord Seeker Lambert probably will be remembered as the bad guy by most of Thedas. Unfortunately they don't know what really transpired . The only other person who knew the whole truth is now also dead.

 

Alas, this is veering off topic, so we should probably drop this line of debate.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Lol, I admitted that I didn't remember correctly. If anyone is squirming its you with your lonely opinion about Justinia. She was a hero and was even brought to same level as Andraste

 

Cassandra tone: Deal. With. It.

Not the same level as Andraste.

[SnakeCode]

Your arguments are terrible.. 

That's because the post you quoted wasn't an argument...

[General TSAR]

Hell no, WMDs need to be guarded.

 

 

That's because the post you quoted wasn't an argument...

 

Dig that avatar. 

[God]

I'm with Cassandra and Vivienne to an extent. Should they have pure, unrestrained freedom? No. Magic itself has a lot of risks involved inherently. That said, I think they should be self-governed for the most part, integrated into the Chantry, and not really restricted from the outside world. The Templars should be absorbed into the Inquisition and used as a force to protect the people of Thedas from Magic (as well as other threats), rather than outright used to police mages. Let mages police themselves, and involve Templars only when the mages fail.

 

As well, I do believe that mages shouldn't be separated into their own lands or holdings, but still a branch within the Chantry. 

[TheTsar_]

That's because the post you quoted wasn't an argument...

Your posts have just been rambling about how your right and anyone else needs to provide definitive proof to say otherwise, even with your lack of source material, and when they do you just ignore it and jump to the next topic.

[The Baconer]

It's disingenuous. And yes, Lord Seeker Lambert probably will be remembered as the bad guy by most of Thedas. Unfortunately they don't know what really transpired . The only other person who knew the whole truth is now also dead.

 

Alas, this is veering off topic, so we should probably drop this line of debate.

 

Not really. If he really wanted to stop events from escalating, then the Seekers should have active in Kirkwall, as per their f***ing job description.

 

The Seekers, in the end, proved to be no less dangerous or volatile than the mages they claimed to guard.

[SnakeCode]

Your posts have just been rambling about how your right and anyone else needs to provide definitive proof to say otherwise, even with your lack of source material, and when they do you just ignore it and jump to the next topic.

Again, I have been providing my opinion. If someone is going to make a claim and state it as fact, i'm going to want to see proof that backs that statement up. Lulupab was mistaken, he admitted he was mistaken, we have moved on.

[Lulupab]

Again, I have been providing my opinion. If someone is going to make a claim and state it as fact, i'm going to want to see proof that backs that statement up. Lulupab was mistaken, he admitted he was mistaken, we have moved on.

 

We have also established the fact that Justinia was a hero and Lambert was a traitor. Indeed we have moved on.

[SnakeCode]

Not really. If he really wanted to stop events from escalating, then the Seekers should have active in Kirkwall, as per their f***ing job description.

 

The Seekers, in the end, proved to be no less dangerous or volatile than the mages they claimed to guard.

I don't know if you were following the conversation, but I was saying that Lulpab was being disingenuous in claiming that Lambert planned to overthrow the divine before the events of Asunder, despite there being no evidence to suggest so.

[dragonflight288]

Not really. If he really wanted to stop events from escalating, then the Seekers should have active in Kirkwall, as per their f***ing job description.

 

The Seekers, in the end, proved to be no less dangerous or volatile than the mages they claimed to guard.

 

Actually Cassandra discusses this. She tells the Inquisitor in private dialogue that the Seekers did investigate and found the stringent rules by the templars overbearing, but also saw a great deal of magical crimes, so the Seeker Leadership deemed her justified at the time, until the Annulment. 

[The Baconer]

Actually Cassandra discusses this. She tells the Inquisitor in private dialogue that the Seekers did investigate and found the stringent rules by the templars overbearing, but also saw a great deal of magical crimes, so the Seeker Leadership deemed her justified at the time, until the Annulment. 

 

When the situation goes back and forth like this for almost a decade, that's when you should be thinking "Oh wait, maybe it's more complicated than we were thinking".

 

Cassandra's comments on the matter just confirmed that the Seekers weren't qualified for the task they were given.

[Master Warder Z_]

The chances of Cole misjudging someone's character

Do you think he would understand killing people, reasoning aside.

Killing people to prevent more deaths in the future?

Do you think that such concepts are beyond it or would it grasp them?

I mean recall another statement by Cole.

"Evangeline showed me that Templars could be kind."

It's perspective, grasp of the material world is infantile friend.

It simply applied it's own basic perspective to everyone and everything.

So could it misinterpret deed for reasoning behind the deed?

Well it's already done that.

[Hazegurl]

IMO, Circles should become boarding schools, the harrowing and tranquility should still be practiced, mages should only be allowed to live in cities where a Templar branch resides in it. Templars should be a police force acting to protect people and mages. Mages should not be allowed to travel to areas that does not contain a Templar branch unless escorted by a Templar.

 

Basically they should be free but not entirely.

[raging_monkey]

When the situation goes back and forth like this for almost a decade, that's when you should be thinking "Oh wait, maybe it's more complicated than we were thinking".
 
Cassandra's comments on the matter just confirmed that the Seekers weren't qualified for the task they were given.

few are

[fcedric]

No peoples don't deserve the freedom... They love to be slaves ... they love jail...

Do you need to be free ? Will you prefer to be a slave ? 

 

Mages desserve freedom, but they must learn to control their powers... they need university of magic no jail...

[Kinsz]

Do you think he would understand killing people, reasoning aside.

Killing people to prevent more deaths in the future?

Do you think that such concepts are beyond it or would it grasp them?

I mean recall another statement by Cole.

"Evangeline showed me that Templars could be kind."

It's perspective, grasp of the material world is infantile friend.

It simply applied it's own basic perspective to everyone and everything.

So could it misinterpret deed for reasoning behind the deed?

Well it's already done that.

Well we've seen Cole kill people as an act of kindness , so i believe he understands the "greater good" concept but this is mostly speculation on my part,  and yes it is entirely possible for him to misinterrpret certain things but i doubt people's intent is one of them.

[MasqureMan]

I'm interested in a society where Mages and Templars are raised together from a young age. This would make the two groups closer in their relations and it would eliminate a lot of anti-Magic/anti-Templar distrust. I know the argument they have against the two groups being closer is that emotions may get in the way of a Templar needing to kill a demon-possessed mage, but I don't think apathy is a good alternative. Either case in the extreme would be bad, so they might as well go with the side that would foster a better relationship. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Nobody hates like family. It would be wise to keep that in mind if you were to take such an approach.