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[KaiserShep]

I don't see much value in restoring order if it's to protect a system that's clearly broken. My Hawke opposed an unjust law. Whether or not this had a good chance of succeeding is irrelevant.

[Lulupab]

In the end the only thing that changes is how many mages die, and yes mages who are innocent. The whole annulment was a crazy and insane person's order anyway. Both of them lead to same thing.

[The Baconer]

Meh....i generally sided with Templars & helped restore order from the demon summoning blood mages in the circle

 

And then those same Templars start taking the red Lyrium later on before ousting you :>

 

You know, the guys who saw what Meredith did firsthand.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I prefer siding with templars. Why? Cause siding with mages feels like utter failure to me. The one's I'm protecting turn against me and kill themselves, that's not good ending for me. I also believe less people in total die if you side with templars and order can be restored more easily.

 

Not a good choice but a better choice, at least for me.

And the Templars wind up betraying Hawke. LOL

[Panda]

In the end the only thing that changes is how many mages die, and yes mages who are innocent. The whole annulment was a crazy and insane person's order anyway. Both of them lead to same thing.

 

More templars die if you side with mages.

[Panda]

And the Templars wind up betraying Hawke. LOL

 

BW did many very odd decisions in storytelling of DAI, but those aren't things my Hawke could have foresaw ^^

[KaiserShep]

Well, they died for their Maker, at least. They forfeit their lives the moment they supported that crazy decision.

[EmissaryofLies]

More templars die if you side with mages.

 

Good.

[thesuperdarkone2]

In the end the only thing that changes is how many mages die, and yes mages who are innocent. The whole annulment was a crazy and insane person's order anyway. Both of them lead to same thing.

This. Gaider himself confirmed that the mages in the Gallows were completely innocent of anything to do with Anders. Thus, siding with the Templars means you are perfectly content committing genocide against innocent people for an obviously insane despot. Don't forget that Meredith ordered the annulment at the start of Act 3 so she always intended to kill everyone in the Gallows, Anders finally gave her the chance to do it.

[Lulupab]

More templars die if you side with mages.

 

They are the party who are committing genocide because an insane person said so. 

[raging_monkey]

And then those same Templars start taking the red Lyrium later on before ousting you :>
 
You know, the guys who saw what Meredith did firsthand.

Monkey see monkey do right

[EmissaryofLies]

They are the party who are committing genocide because an insane person said so. 

 

But but but but but their boss ordered them to!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.......They were just doing their job....

[thesuperdarkone2]

More templars die if you side with mages.

Considering that people like Karras, Alrik, and Mettin are Kirkwall templars and they wind up betraying you anyway if you side with them, I say that there is no problem killing Kirkwall templars.

[Master Warder Z_]

They are the party who are committing genocide because an insane person said so.

Because an insane person gave her the authority to do it.

Again it always comes back to Anders.

[Panda]

They are the party who are committing genocide because an insane person said so. 

 

Something your description just lacked ^^

[KaiserShep]

Because an insane person gave her the authority to do it.

Again it always comes back to Anders.

An insane person who could have simply been captured and made example of for everyone to see. I mean, he outright confesses in front of everyone.This could have been an opportunity for the Circle mages and the Templars of Kirkwall to find some kind of common ground in their disapproval over the destruction of the Chantry, but no. She had to lump them all in with one extremist apostate Grey Warden who wasn't even from that Circle.

 

If the option existed, I would have handed him over to Meredith with no problem, because while I don't agree with the Templars in Kirkwall, I agree with Anders' actions even less.

[EmissaryofLies]

Because an insane person gave her the authority to do it.

Again it always comes back to Anders.

 

Anders was a Grey Warden and not a circle mage any longer...

 

Meredith used Anders as an excuse to do what she had been planning to do for the longest time.

[EmissaryofLies]

An insane person who could have simply been captured and made example of for everyone to see. This could have been an opportunity for the Circle mages and the Templars of Kirkwall to find some kind of common ground in their disapproval over the destruction of the Chantry, but no. She had to lump them all in with one extremist apostate who wasn't even from that Circle.

 

This too, but she wanted the mages bad even before that.

[thesuperdarkone2]

This too, but she wanted the mages bad even before that.

Don't forget that if Karras is alive in Act 3, he outright says that Meredith has already called for the Right of Annulment. This is at the beginning of Act 3. Meredith always wanted to kill the mages.

[Aren]

Doesn't matter. All three Divines treat them differently (well, I'd even say better, all of them) which means by the time of DA4 it'll either stay that way or some sh*t will hit the fan again and our choices won't matter either way. 

We can discuss  all we want but it's pointless.

True when a major choice is an Optional  like  choose a Divine (DAI) or  side with mage  or templars  (DAII)  or use the US or DR (DAO) the developers decide the outcome to try to mantain for obvious reason 1  single game.

The choice  is  important only in that moment  and  not for the consequences.

[Master Warder Z_]

An insane person who could have simply been captured and made example of for everyone to see. This could have been an opportunity for the Circle mages and the Templars of Kirkwall to find some kind of common ground in their disapproval over the destruction of the Chantry, but no. She had to lump them all in with one extremist apostate Grey Warden who wasn't even from that Circle.

Point being?

It literally never would have happened without Anders killing her direct superior.

That act and that act alone gave her authority to order annulment.

[Master Warder Z_]

Don't forget that if Karras is alive in Act 3, he outright says that Meredith has already called for the Right of Annulment. This is at the beginning of Act 3. Meredith always wanted to kill the mages.

Right because Justinia would have approved that *__*

[thesuperdarkone2]

Point being?

It literally never would have happened without Anders killing her direct superior.

That act and that act alone gave her authority to order annulment.

That doesn't make it right. Meredith was insane. The only justification for supporting Meredith is just to be a mage hater.

[Panda]

Of cource Meredith was insane because red lyrium but so was Orsino. If there was option to walk out I'd have taken it, too bad that you had to chose from two bads.

[EmissaryofLies]

Don't forget that if Karras is alive in Act 3, he outright says that Meredith has already called for the Right of Annulment. This is at the beginning of Act 3. Meredith always wanted to kill the mages.

 

How could I?

 

Indeed, I recall him using the word "robes" and making overtures towards my Hawke as well.