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[Elfyoth]

Yes. Tevinter is proof that society and the world doesn't crumble if mage's are free. Ironically the region that deems mage's dangerous and locks them away has more problems with them... The Circle causes abominations and blood mages, because they don't allow mage's to master magic due to fear. There's no Kirkwall situations in Tevinter.

And who said everyone are like in Tevinter, lets see: Dorian, that mage at the senate that tries to stop support to the venatori and more! 

 

Dalish crumble cuz of magic? answer NO

 

Has the Elven Empire was chaotic? We dont know but for it to survive a lot of time being a core of art etc, AND of magic NO it didint. 

 

It is the person that do bad things not his sword knife gun or magic. 

[Augustei]

Yes Mages should be free they are the rightful Lords of Thedas.

This is the national anthem of Mages:

You did not just mock the Empire son, the Empire doesn't really like mages.

Besides you aren't really comparing those dirty backwater southern barbarian mages to a true magister are you? Because those dirty savages that laughably call themselves mages in the south are certainly not the rightful rulers of thedas.

[actionhero112]

And who said everyone are like in Tevinter, lets see: Dorian, that mage at the senate that tries to stop support to the venatori and more! 

 

Dalish crumble cuz of magic? answer NO

 

Has the Elven Empire was chaotic? We dont know but for it to survive a lot of time being a core of art etc, AND of magic NO it didint. 

 

It is the person that do bad things not his sword knife gun or magic. 

 

You're right, all the dalish did was curse an entire group of people to be werewolves who killed everyone that entered the brecilian forest with their magic. 

 

Or connor who succumbed to a demon and caused countless deaths.

 

Or the Tevinter magisters who entered the fade and caused the darkspawn to be created.

 

Nothing bad will EVER happen with the mages being free. Riiiiight. If these are the kinds of prices the races of thedas have to pay for a mage's freedom, then they don't deserve freedom. 

[raging_monkey]

Now we are getting into elves

#MT threads= elf threads

[Aren]

 

 

Has the Elven Empire was chaotic? We dont know but for it to survive a lot of time being a core of art etc, AND of magic NO it didint. 

 

It is the person that do bad things not his sword knife gun or magic. 

They have destroyed themselves slavery in their Empire was even worse than the one of the Tevinter, look the way in which Abelas and their friends are bound to Mythal.

[EmissaryofLies]

Why should Southern Mages be free? Have they not show an incapacity to take action against the ill advances of their superiors? Have they not been complicit in the dealings with Tevinter?

 

The fraternaties loyal to bending over and taking that zealous Chantry dick are of no relevance here.

[MisterJB]

Yes Mages should be free they are the rightful Lords of Thedas.

This is the national anthem of Mages:

Oh please, the Emperor did not even need a single soldier to destroy the Lodge of Sorceresses.

[LD Little Dragon]

Why are people still acting as through all mages/all templars are responsible for the actions of other mages/other templars?

 

Punishing people for the actions of others instead of their own actions is a recipe for disaster.  Why bother being a responsible mage/templar if you can be punished for something you did not do?

 

What the question should be is should mages be treated as individuals, or not.

 

No one has absolute freedom, there are rules, laws, responsibilties, cultural expectations, ect. to deal with.

 

Even under Leliana's rules I doubt mages are free to do whatever they want.  Unless all of Thedas falls into anarchy, no one can just go around doing whatever they feel like.

 

Should mages be free? 

 

Some should be.  If they're trained and responsible why not?

 

Some should not be.  Such as Fiona.  Allying with Tevinter was an idiotic move that proved she needs supervision.  But it should only count against her (and the mages who supported her), not against all mages, everywhere.

[dragonflight288]

Why are people still acting as through all mages/all templars are responsible for the actions of other mages/other templars?

 

Punishing people for the actions of others instead of their own actions is a recipe for disaster.  Why bother being a responsible mage/templar if you can be punished for something you did not do?

 

What the question should be is should mages be treated as individuals, or not.

 

No one has absolute freedom, there are rules, laws, responsibilties, cultural expectations, ect. to deal with.

 

Even under Leliana's rules I doubt mages are free to do whatever they want.  Unless all of Thedas falls into anarchy, no one can just go around doing whatever they feel like.

 

Should mages be free? 

 

Some should be.  If they're trained and responsible why not?

 

Some should not be.  Such as Fiona.  Allying with Tevinter was an idiotic move that proved she needs supervision.  But it should only count against her (and the mages who supported her), not against all mages, everywhere.

 

Because some people see only potential danger and have a rather negative view of humanity in general and feel that any autonomy is a recipe for a new Tevinter, regardless of culture or background. 

 

I'm not one of them. 

[Red of Rivia]

Oh please, the Emperor did not even need a single soldier to destroy the Lodge of Sorceresses.

Nilfgaard win Tevinter only with Letho and a bunch of diplomats.

 

Mages are mages, can not escape it. Mage are dangerous? Yes, of course, as well as a soldier. What prevents a soldier to kill another person ? is the same with the mages.

[MoonDrummer]

If they can pass the harrowing on a cold rainy night in Stoke they can have freedom.

[Br3admax]

Mages are mages, can not escape it. Mage are dangerous? Yes, of course, as well as a soldier. What prevents a soldier to kill another person ? is the same with the mages.

I like how the codex entry named: "Mages" says mages can never be disarmed, while still being mages, but literally everything else can. There's two ways to make mages not dangerous, and no the amount of danger is not comparable to a soldier at all. 

[Augustei]

Nilfgaard win Tevinter only with Letho and a bunch of diplomats.

 

Mages are mages, can not escape it. Mage are dangerous? Yes, of course, as well as a soldier. What prevents a soldier to kill another person ? is the same with the mages.

Whats the likelihood of that soldier being posessed by a powerful Pride demon and going on a mass killing rampage in comparison?

The soldier will have to face the consequences for his crime, The Pride demon won't give a damn, he's just out for shits' and giggles. The soldier is just a soldier, the pride demon is a bloody pride demon.

[MisterJB]

What if we cut off the hands of mages so they can't do magic? Afterwards, they can go free.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Funny how everyone talks about abominations yet they never occur in Inquisition. Seems like no circles means less reason for mages to deal with demons. I can only imagine the butthurt from templar supporters if the mage freedom ending winds up being the best. I eagerly hope for that day.

[ComedicSociopathy]

What if we cut off the hands of mages so they can't do magic? Afterwards, they can go free.

 

Won't work.

 

Remember, mages can shoot fire and demons out of their ass. True fact. Sera said so during a banter and she's a savant when it comes to magical matters. 

[Augustei]

Funny how everyone talks about abominations yet they never occur in Inquisition. Seems like no circles means less reason for mages to deal with demons. I can only imagine the butthurt from templar supporters if the mage freedom ending winds up being the best. I eagerly hope for that day.

Yeah yeah Dark, you keep imagining the butthurt, you've said it several times in various threads now we get it. Hope you keep a clear image because its likely the one in your head is all you'll see =P

Also aren't abominations in your mages ranks mentioned by Gaspard?

[Boost32]

Funny how everyone talks about abominations yet they never occur in Inquisition. Seems like no circles means less reason for mages to deal with demons. I can only imagine the butthurt from templar supporters if the mage freedom ending winds up being the best. I eagerly hope for that day.

Chateau d'Onterre

[thesuperdarkone2]

Chateau d'Onterre

Ser Alrik

[ComedicSociopathy]

Funny how everyone talks about abominations yet they never occur in Inquisition. Seems like no circles means less reason for mages to deal with demons. I can only imagine the butthurt from templar supporters if the mage freedom ending winds up being the best. I eagerly hope for that day.

 

Actually, in Cassandra personal quest she mentions that there some abominations  running wild across Thedas since the Templars were busy wasting time fighting the mages. 

 

Also, since the Breach and the rifts are around demons no longer have to possess a mage to freely enter the physical world, thus less abominations running around. 

[MisterJB]

You did not just mock the Empire son, the Empire doesn't really like mages.
 

I'm not entirely clear on how Nillfgaard treats the mages. I know they're present in the army and can become commanders but that is it.

[Boost32]

Ser Alrik

Sorry but I dont understand you response, I was just poiting that there is a abomination in DA:I

[ComedicSociopathy]

Ser Alrik

 

That doesn't change the fact that mages can be dangerous and they can turn into abominations.

 

This isn't a templar vs mage argument, and to be honest I think both groups and way to far up their own ass to realize that their hurting the common people of Thedas with their constant conflicts. Just look at Kirkwall or the Hinterlands to see my point.

[Augustei]

I'm not entirely clear on how Nillfgaard treats the mages. I know they're present in the army and can become commanders but that is it.

They are regarded with alot of suspicion and little tolerance, kept on a short leash by The Empire. I believe the secret police keep tabs on them and if you happen to act up well, you'll be executed in Victory Square.
 

[EmissaryofLies]

What if we cut off the hands of mages so they can't do magic? Afterwards, they can go free.

 

And create more enemies, more people like Anders? Really?