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[Master Warder Z_]

Also **** the Empire.

[Augustei]

Also **** the Empire.

What the **** is this blasphemy?! Such drivel warrents crucifixion.

[RobRam10]

There are people on this thread that think that Skyrim will beat the Dominion on its own and not as united a Empire of Tamriel.

[Master Warder Z_]

What the **** is this blasphemy?! Such drivel warrents crucifixion.

I'm an unapologetic Stormcloak.

[Master Warder Z_]

There are people on this thread that think that Skyrim will beat the Dominion on its own and not as united a Empire of Tamriel.

Incorrect.

I think Skyrim will be the Bastion of the fourth Empire.

[Augustei]

There are people on this thread that think that Skyrim will beat the Dominion on its own and not as united a Empire of Tamriel.

Such fools are unworthy of calling themselves Imperial Citizens anyway.

This Ulfric couldn't even beat General Tullius and was fool enough to fall into his trap. Tullius is the least important of our legionary generals hence why he wasn't on the front with the others in the Thalmor blockade. And they think this fool can protect them? BAHAHAHAHAHA

[Augustei]

Incorrect.

I think Skyrim will be the Bastion of the fourth Empire.

So you plan to first topple the Empire and then take on the Thalmor, my such an ambitious one we are.

[thesuperdarkone2]

 

Like I always say, if you ain't bending the knee to The Empire your clearly doing something wrong

If you like the Empire, you like taking it from the Thalmor. Stormcloaks are the only true choice. All hail to Ulfric, the true High King of Skyrim!

 

[Augustei]

If you like the Empire, you like taking it from the Thalmor. Stormcloaks are the only true choice. All hail to Ulfric, the true High King of Skyrim!

 

The Empire lives in reality, sacrifices must be made to crush the enemy. Once we purge the line of Mede and ensure you rebel scum remember your place we shall defeat the true enemy. But we aren't all going to have a big cry that we can't worship Talos. Though it would be amusing watching Skyrim try to forge its new empire with enemies on all sides

[thesuperdarkone2]

So you plan to first topple the Empire and then take on the Thalmor, my such an ambitious one we are.

If the Empire really wants to survive, it will have to accept that it lost Skyrim and will now have to treat the Nords as equals instead of subjects. An alliance between Hammerfell, Skyrim, and the Empire will teach the butter elves a lesson!

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

There are people on this thread that think that Skyrim will beat the Dominion on its own and not as united a Empire of Tamriel.

It's not entirely out of the question. My understanding is that the Dominion is in a much worse position than it wants to appear to be in, partially though not entirely because among the other things in the Concordat they demanded a chunk of the Empire that they're having trouble digesting. The dossier on Stormcloak makes clear that they want there to be no attacks on them from anyone while they sort this out. Whether this means that a Stormcloak attack could defeat them or that it would just be a massive logisitical headache I couldn't really tell you, but I don't see much reason why the former is impossible.

[Augustei]

If the Empire really wants to survive, it will have to accept that it lost Skyrim and will now have to treat the Nords as equals instead of subjects. An alliance between Hammerfell, Skyrim, and the Empire will teach the butter elves a lesson!

The Nords are not equals while they dont bow to the ruby throne.
The Empire has not lost Skyrim.

[thesuperdarkone2]

The Empire lives in reality, sacrifices must be made to crush the enemy. Once we purge the line of Mede and ensure you rebel scum remember your place we shall defeat the true enemy. But we aren't all going to have a big cry that we can't worship Talos

 

The Empire has shown that Cyrodiil is all that matters to them. They abandoned Morrowind, they abandoned Hammerfell, and they'll abandon the other provinces when push comes to shove. The Empire needs Skyrim more than Skyrim needs the Empire.

[thesuperdarkone2]

The Nords are not equals while they dont bow to the ruby throne.
The Empire has not lost Skyrim.

The difference between nords and wimperials:

 

[Augustei]

Ah, this takes me back.

Arguing over Stormcloaks vs Empire in a different forum.

Good times.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

[Augustei]

The difference between nords and wimperials:

 

 

Imperial Generals dont acknowledge traitorous scum unless they're putting a sword through them

[thesuperdarkone2]

Proof supporting the stormcloaks:

 

http://forums.bethso...-warpenergybot/

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

There are people on this thread that think that Skyrim will beat the Dominion on its own and not as united a Empire of Tamriel.

Independence Skyrim alone defeating the entire Aldmeri Dominion?! Ulfric cares about the mankind's future?! Top ****** kek.

[Augustei]

Proof supporting the stormcloaks:

 

http://forums.bethso...-warpenergybot/

Error indeed.....Error Indeed

I get the message your sending, you've seen the error of your ways and realise that supporting the stormcloaks is an error

Otherwise you want me to create an account, I can't be bothered to do that just to witness more of your false traitorous heretical lies

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Proof supporting the stormcloaks:

 

http://forums.bethso...-warpenergybot/

Enlightening.

[Master Warder Z_]

Error indeed.....Error Indeed

I get the message your sending, you've seen the error of your ways and realise that supporting the stormcloaks is an error

Bahahahaahaa

Good one.

[Han Shot First]

Ulfric was a puppet of the Elves.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ulfric was a puppet of the Elves.

No, not really no.

He plans to wage a war on them.

[thesuperdarkone2]

You should read the books by Alessia Ottus then. http://www.uesp.net/...r#Alessia_Ottus

 

Imperial Mission" towards the Dunmer in Cheydinhal:

- http://www.uesp.net/...blivion:Mach-Na

- http://www.uesp.net/...Dervera_Romalen

 

"Imperial Mission" towards the Nords in Bruma.

- http://www.uesp.net/...Arentus_Falvius

- http://www.uesp.net/...ivion:Isa_Raman

- http://www.uesp.net/...:Gerich_Senarel(note that he says the Nord guard captain is the one mmaking sure the guards respect the Nords way of life, confirmed by talking to Burd, who will say he  does make sure of it).

 

Leyawin:

- http://www.uesp.net/...ss_Alessia_Caro

- http://www.uesp.net/.../Oblivion:Tsavi

 

How is this for multiculturalism? This is how they treat people in the border cities in their own province. They tolerate them being different, but not without trying to do something about it. And they still use the other nations for their own benefit, like the East Empire Company getting a monopoly on trade on wares like Ebony, Kwama Eggs and Dwemeri items.

 

You also have the change in the Nords, who used to have a very different pantheon than they have in Skyrim and by the time of Oblivion is shown to be resisting the attempts to convert them. And the Imperial Cult in Morrowind, who competed with the Tribunal Temple(who was allowed to continue to exist because of the treaty between Tiber and Vivec). And the House Hlaalu embracing the Empire and becoming the most powerful Great House under the Empire, giving them unrivaled political power. The Empire meddles with everything that can be turned to their benefit. And as the book Celan have linked a few times now show, there was no real benefit for the common people for them to hold Morrowind, making the presence of the Empire pointless interference in the Dunmer people(quite significant too, considering they get to chose the king and have manned forts all over the place, meaning a strong military presence and thus power over the politics), motivated by money.

 

Well, as I see it, the whole thing about establishing a dominant culture isn't really any better. "We treat you as an equal, if you act like we do and accept our culture and customs as the right ones". Not to mention the deal about not seeing other people capable of ruling themselves. The Nords are a great example of this.

 

http://cs.uesp.net/i...rmid=0x000c347c

http://www.uesp.net/..._Wolf_Queen,_v1

http://www.uesp.net/...:Gerich_Senarel

http://www.uesp.net/...Arentus_Falvius

http://www.uesp.net/...ivion:Isa_Raman

 

And let us add in the Legion stepping in to stop the Stormcloaks. If the Empire didn't force anything if the provinces said no, they would let Skyrim sort out its own position on their part in the Empire, instead of sending Legionnaires they can barely afford to send there away from Cyrodiil, which is in a bad shape these days.

 

http://cs.uesp.net/i...rmid=0x0004a20d

http://www.uesp.net/...icero's_Journal

http://www.uesp.net/...m:Valga_Vinicia

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ulfric was a puppet of the Elves.

Yes, but his victory over the Empire is not their plan. Nor is their victory over him. The point of their manipulations is simply that the two fight. They want nobody to win the Civil War, and unless I'm missing something major we don't know what their backup plan is. (If they have one.)