Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
If the Empire stood up for itself like Hammerfell, this wouldn't be an issue. Instead, they have enjoyed 30 years of the Thalmor ingraining themselves with Imperial nobility and torturing Imperial citizens while the Empire just lets it happen.
They were fortifying the Valenwood border, likely for another war with the Thalmor which Tullius all but confirms. But Stormcloaks conveniently ignore this.
And Ulfric nearly won until Tullius got involved. It's telling that the Empire needed one of its best generals to face Ulfric.
I'm surprised you are pro-Stormcloak
the empire abandoned its people... least the cloaks(albeit nord centric) caresI'm surprised you are pro-Stormcloak
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
the empire abandoned its people... least the cloaks(albeit nord centric) cares
I already explained to you the Empire's gameplan. It was either cut Hammerfell loose and give them unofficial support or hand them over through their original treaty with the Dominion. Which do you think was better?
the empire abandoned its people... least the cloaks(albeit nord centric) cares
You conveniently forgot the part where General Decianus allowed a great number of "invalids" to be discharged from the Legions, those ex-legionnaire formed the core of the army that drove the Dominion's forces back across Alik'r. I just think people give the Redguard too much credit for standing on its own.
I already explained to you the Empire's gameplan. It was either cut Hammerfell loose and give them unofficial support or hand them over through their original treaty with the Dominion. Which do you think was better?
How about neither and call the obvious bluff.
And even if they didn't know the thalmor were bluffing out of complete idiocy, they didn't have an excuse after the Redguards fought them to a standstill and gave up five years later.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
How about neither and call the obvious bluff.
Both were ground down. It's not like they had spies feeding them intel. The Blades were dead and gone and White Gold was just taken back.
The truth of that assertion can, of course, never be known. But the Redguards should not forget the great sacrifice of Imperial blood - Breton, Nord, and Cyrodilic - at the Battle of the Red Ring that weakened the Dominion enough to allow the eventual Second Treaty of Stros M'kai in 4E 180 and the withdrawal of Aldmeri forces from Hammerfell.
The Empire doesn't care my ass.
I already explained to you the Empire's gameplan. It was either cut Hammerfell loose and give them unofficial support or hand them over through their original treaty with the Dominion. Which do you think was better?
im a proud redguard and im biased. XDYou conveniently forgot the part where General Decianus allowed a great number of "invalids" to be discharged from the Legions, those ex-legionnaire formed the core of the army that drove the Dominion's forces back across Alik'r. I just think people give the Redguard too much credit for standing on it own.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
im a proud redguard and im biased. XD
I'm Forebear till I die and I'm telling you the Empire did the right thing at the time.
Both were ground down. It's not like they had spies feeding them intel. The Blades were dead and gone and White Gold was just taken back.
The truth of that assertion can, of course, never be known. But the Redguards should not forget the great sacrifice of Imperial blood - Breton, Nord, and Cyrodilic - at the Battle of the Red Ring that weakened the Dominion enough to allow the eventual Second Treaty of Stros M'kai in 4E 180 and the withdrawal of Aldmeri forces from Hammerfell.
The Empire doesn't care my ass.
After the heroic efforts of the Nords, Imperials and Bretons, even admittedly Titus Mede himself, the Empire finally took back the Imperial city. After this happened, the Empire signed the infamous White Gold Concordat, which would 1. Outlaw Talos Worship, and 2. Give away almost Half of Hammerfell to the Thalmor (admittedly already occupied by the elves.) While the Empire themselves could not afford to fight on, neither could the Thalmor. I used to believe that they could not know the Thalmor were as weak as they were, but the Great War book states that the info in the book was taken from the Thalmor themselves:
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Author’s Note: Much of what is written in this book is pieced together from documents captured from the enemy during the war, interrogation of prisoners, and eyewitness accounts from surviving soldiers and Imperial officers.
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And the book clearly states:
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In 4E 174, the Thalmor leadership committed all available forces to the campaign in Cyrodiil, gambling on a decisive victory to end the war once and for all.
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This means the Empire had a good idea of the Thalmor’s state, but bought into their bluff anyway when they signed the White Gold Concordat. The Redguards of Hammerfell did not wish to give up their land so easy and wanted to fight on. The Empire instead of at least giving supplies to the Redguards or some kind of non combatant support instead just completely dropped Hammerfell as a province. They say they were forced, but the Thalmor, as they apparently knew, could not force anything.
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The Thalmor wouldn’t be in any position to assault Cyrodiil for sending supplies even if they wanted to. You may be thinking that the Empire would need those supplies to rebuild, and you’d be right. But the cost of a whole Province being lost is greater than at least meager support of military supplies so Hammerfell could defend itself, and take back it’s land. Now the Empire is out yet another Province, and they only have two, not counting Cyrodiil.
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To reiterate:
"Much of what is written in this book is pieced together from documents captured from the enemy during the war, interrogation of prisoners, and eyewitness accounts from surviving soldiers and Imperial officers."
K, now read this.
"In 4E 174, the Thalmor leadership committed all available forces to the campaign in Cyrodiil, gambling on a decisive victory to end the war once and for all. During the spring, Aldmeri reinforcements gathered in southern Cyrodiil, and on 12th of Second Seed, they launched a massive assault on the Imperial City itself.”
Now, there’s no way survivors or eye witnesses could know the info in the second quote, so that means they HAD to have gotten the info DURING the war, as the book said they did, because that is the only time they’d have access to prisoners, and that’s when they would have discovered their documents. This means the Empire KNEW how weak the Dominion was and they still caved.
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All they had to do was say no, and they'd have ended the war unofficially like north and south korea, with border tensions at best.
>people support ulfric
its always remarkable how people can make such a complete tool king by choice; tfw they make stormcloak victory canon and skyrim burns, the anguished look on stormcloak faces would be quite the sight to behold
hmph wait til they need usI'm Forebear till I die and I'm telling you the Empire did the right thing at the time.
>people support ulfric
its always remarkable how people can make such a complete tool king by choice; tfw they make stormcloak victory canon and skyrim burns, the anguished look on stormcloak faces would be quite the sight to behold
I can tell you know nothing.
The truth of that assertion can, of course, never be known. But the Redguards should not forget the great sacrifice of Imperial blood - Breton, Nord, and Cyrodilic - at the Battle of the Red Ring that weakened the Dominion enough to allow the eventual Second Treaty of Stros M'kai in 4E 180 and the withdrawal of Aldmeri forces from Hammerfell.
The Empire doesn't care my ass.
That was a battle meant to retake the Imperial City and it occurred before Titus Mede surre...signed the White-Gold Concordat and Hammerfell broke away.
How is it evidence the Empire cares?
I can tell you know nothing.
You forgot "Jon Snow" 
i sympathezie with the cloaks. But never join either side... just attack both and kill respecive leaders(in most PT)>people support ulfric
its always remarkable how people can make such a complete tool king by choice; tfw they make stormcloak victory canon and skyrim burns, the anguished look on stormcloak faces would be quite the sight to behold
The empire's abandoning completely of hammerfell was simply stupid. There is always another way, they simply didn't see it or didn't have the balls to take it because they distrusted their own intel, which is known to happen. But either way they didn't make the right choice, they made the choice they thought was right, which isn't the same thing.
I can tell you know nothing.
ha!
are you the sort of person that thinks the nords can invade the summerset isles? after all the completely needless death the knuckledragger caused in order to get his hands on the crown what next hmm? regardless of what you do skyrim is in a very sorry state after the war misguided nationlism has never ended well
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Honestly it doesn't matter because next game is going to be in Hammerfell and the HoonDing is going to sink Tamriel with a Shehai technique.
ha!
are you the sort of person that thinks the nords can invade the summerset isles?
No. But you are the sort to make assumptions with nothing to back it up, which makes me say once again:
I can tell you know nothing.
John Snow.
The empire's abandoning completely of hammerfell
Please see my previous post about how the Empire didn't abandon Hammerfell completly.
i sympathezie with the cloaks. But never join either side... just attack both and kill respecive leaders(in most PT)
the stormcloaks themselves are not so bad, most of them are just regular angry nords after all, they just have a poor leader
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