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[TevinterSupremacist]

How does a mage "prove" themselves?

By nuking the living daylights out of those who would restrict their individual freedoms based on "what if"s.

[Lulupab]

Yeah, this knowledge they don't stand a chance really helped prevent the mage rebellion.

And it's not ke the options are between "war" and "well behaved mages who stay out of non-mage's lives". There's plenty of room to be abused here.
 

 

The majority of blame is on "none-mage police force", not mages. The police force started a war only to actually do what Fiona wanted. The "worse" ending for mages is exactly what Fiona wanted with her initial vote which was retaliated with disbanding of college. More freedom inside circles without anyone meddling. Ironic isn't it?

[MisterJB]

By nuking the living daylights out of those who would restrict their individual freedoms based on "what if"s.

 

Is your name on purpose?
 

[I present Chuck Bass]

I'm proving you wrong and that self-ruled mages means mages without restrictions. That is all.

 depends, a lot of mages believe in restrictions, like Vivienne, Conor, Wynne... so i wouldn't say there would be no restrictions at all. EVERYONE hates blood magic mostly, including mages, it's not like they would just throw the restrictions against blood magic out the window.

[Vita Brevis]

There will also always be people who abuse their position, whether that be mages or Templars, or normal people.  That's why Templars SHOULD exist

I like that logic. Let's take a trouble and make it double.   And also let's rebuild the Seekers, who would abuse the power of abusing the templars who abuse the mages.

[Lulupab]

I'm proving you wrong and that self-ruled mages means mages without restrictions. That is all.

 

No because you automatically think mages cannot put restrictions on themselves. In Tevinter mage bad eggs are made tranquil. executed and imprisoned by mages in authority and responsibility of keeping mages in line. Hence I called on your absolute bias and double standard, like you are not even subtle.

[MisterJB]

The majority of blame is on "none-mage police force", not mages. The police force started a war only to actually do what Fiona wanted. The "worse" ending for mages is exactly what Fiona wanted with her initial vote which was retaliated with disbanding of college. More freedom inside circles without anyone meddling. Ironic isn't it?

Wow, you can tell us how Cassandra's and Vivienne's systems work out of a couple of lines in one epilogue. Do tell us more.
 

[TevinterSupremacist]

Is your name on purpose?

No, I headbutted the keyboard and it was magically spelled out. It's wondrous how magic works, no?

[Lulupab]

Wow, you can tell us how Cassandra's and Vivienne's systems work out of a couple of lines in one epilogue. Do tell us more.
 

 

Yes, Vivienne does exactly what Fiona wanted to do with her initial vote. I find it funny and ironic that all those people must die to actually make it happen. Yet the "good police force" you talk about break away from chantry and became as dangerous as mage rebellion. So yes this none-mage police and punishment is probably the biggest fail on history of Thedas. Turning against the people it swore to protect against mages in an instant when the divine didn't treat them like children to be fed and agreed with.

[MisterJB]

No because you automatically think mages cannot put restrictions on themselves. In Tevinter mage bad eggs are made tranquil. executed and imprisoned by mages in authority and responsibility of keeping mages in line. Hence I called on your absolute bias and double standard, like you are not even subtle.

Son, you said mages governing themselves is not your complete freedom except you're wrong because if the only restrictions are those mages place on themselves, then that is complete freedom.

Of course they will create laws for each other as we do except since they are the ones creating these laws without anyone else's input, that is, by definition, complete freedom.

And in Tevinter, the bad eggs are the ones in charge.

[MisterJB]

No, I headbutted the keyboard and it was magically spelled out. It's wondrous how magic works, no?

I'm asking because I find it hard to believe someone would misspell two words in a row in their username if not on purpose.

[Deanna]

They should be free. Mages are apart of Thedas like everyone else and should be accepted.

And if Leliana becomes Divine she frees them and they make a college of their own and are accepted by Thedas (for now)

Everybody wins

[Lulupab]

Son, you said mages governing themselves is not your complete freedom except you're wrong because if the only restrictions are those mages place on themselves, then that is complete freedom.

Of course they will create laws for each other as we do except since they are the ones creating these laws without anyone else's input, that is, by definition, complete freedom.

And in Tevinter, the bad eggs are the ones in charge.

 

So the nobles of Thedas are all good eggs , correct? Their nobility is counted before than them being mages. They are noble first, mage second and as such their position of nobility grants them more power than any magic could just like in the south. At any rate there is no question that the Tevinter system of controlling mages is working better than south. They didn't have any rebellion and there have been no magical incident over there since the new Tevinter.

[TheTsar_]

I also find it rather strange how the Chantry hates Mage's, yet Mage's are special in that they are closer to the home of their beloved Maker? I don't know, I'd of thought the people who can interact with the home of my God would sort of be respected.

[Barquiel]

I do think there needs to be some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend. But, apart from that, they should be free...just like everyone else.

[I present Chuck Bass]

They should be free. Mages are apart of Thedas like everyone else and should be accepted.

And if Leliana becomes Divine she frees them and they make a college of their own and are accepted by Thedas (for now)

Everybody wins

 They basically isolate themselves, which is even worse.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Yes but with proper education and training. That could be Dalish, cirlces made academies, or private tutors but, mages need to be taught to wield the power they hold safely and properly and, need to be taught how to resist possession. Once they have been taught, and have demonstrated they have in fact learned, no reason they cannot be normal members of society that just happen to be mages. They should be able to hold any position anyone else does.

 

The general public also needs educating so that they do not panic when a mage does sucum to posession - it will happen but that shouldn't be a reason for panic, rather a reason to call assistance for the mage. If possible, the possession should be reversed, if not the mage will have to be put to death but, that's extreme. Tranquillity should be an option ONLY if the mage chooses it or, is otherwise disabled in a way that makes them incapable of weilding magic safely.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

true, but the current system detained them so much, that it all just exploded... and the rebellion happened as a result. It's exactly why firework warehouses are a horrible idea.

The current way gave mages a higher standard of living compared to a normal peasant apart from coming & going as they please, they'd really have something to complain about if they were stuck in a Qun type system

[Kinsz]

Aha a question to all.

How does a mage "prove" themselves? Multiple harrowings, community sevice, military service, or just do "favors" for powerful people

I'd say that once they pass their harrowing then they should be allowed to walk if they want, that to me is "proving themselves ".

[I present Chuck Bass]

I do think there needs to be some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend. But, apart from that, they should be free...just like everyone else.

 Yeah but they aren't like everyone else, they posses magic, you can't ignore reality, and hope everything will turn out perfect. magic is dangerous just like guns, there needs to be restrictions or oversight.

[TevinterSupremacist]

I'm asking because I find it hard to believe someone would misspell two words in a row in their username if not on purpose.

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I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about

 

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[I present Chuck Bass]

Yes but with proper education and training. That could be Dalish, cirlces made academies, or private tutors but, mages need to be taught to wield the power they hold safely and properly and, need to be taught how to resist possession. Once they have been taught, and have demonstrated they have in fact learned, no reason they cannot be normal members of society that just happen to be mages. They should be able to hold any position anyone else does.

 

The general public also needs educating so that they do not panic when a mage does sucum to posession - it will happen but that shouldn't be a reason for panic, rather a reason to call assistance for the mage. If possible, the possession should be reversed, if not the mage will have to be put to death but, that's extreme. Tranquillity should be an option ONLY if the mage chooses it or, is otherwise disabled in a way that makes them incapable of weilding magic safely.

 

Possession is a reason to panic, magic is alarming.. look at adamant in dragon age asunder, redcliffe with conor... when templars weren't present in that case or some sort of oversight, things got really bad really quick.

[raging_monkey]

I'd say that once they pass their harrowing then they should be allowed to walk if they want, that to me is "proving themselves ".

reasonable

[I present Chuck Bass]

I'd say that once they pass their harrowing then they should be allowed to walk if they want, that to me is "proving themselves ".

  yeah but many mages pass their harrowing and go on to become possessed  and or turn to blood magic. 

[MisterJB]

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I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about

 

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Ah, nice.