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[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Mages who want to rule should be made tranquil 1st

[MisterJB]

No it has nothing to with my liking. Mages in the south know quite well that they cannot have titles or lands, many just want to live their life in harmony with everyone else on Thedas. That will remain unchanged. With a system similar to Tevinter where a skilled and respected mage such as Wynne is head of a college and mages follow her orders. Remember that the college was always based on votes just like the chantry, esteemed mages choose their own leaders.

There is someone THIS naïve on this planet?

Really? Free mages will never seek power? They just want to hold hands and live in harmony.

This ain't my My Little Pony and these aren't unicorns!

[I present Chuck Bass]

Really? Life is an illusion. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try for change.

idk if life is an illusion, maybe reality is.. but they are two different things. Why change something.. only for new problems to come to existence. 

[raging_monkey]

Lets keep it civil we are on a streak

[TheTsar_]

There is someone THIS naïve on this planet?

Really? Free mages will never seek power? They just want to hold hands and live in harmony.

This ain't my My Little Pony and these aren't unicorns!

People of every origin seek power, and will do whatever it takes to gain it.. You're naive in thinking it's only a mage who does such a thing. Celene burned down an entire alienage killing hundreds of elves in order to appease nobles who were starting to doubt her. 

[ThreeF]

Right, okay.  Phewf.  I thought you were being dense.

 

I definitely think the Circles need reform, but I don't think they should be abolished.  There should be places where mages go to train and learn how to master their magical talents.  They should, however, be able to visit their families, or go outside the Circle, or whatever.  

 

Templars should still exist in some capacity, but should exist as protectors of mages, as their ideal suggests, not remain as jailers.  Maybe also have templars in villages and cities in case mages attack or there's some magical disaster what not.  

 

Perhaps the Templar Order could also be composed of trained Mages (like Knight Enchanters?) who have the power to stop other mages if they go crazy.  That way, you're not putting all the power in the hands of non-mages.  

 

There definitely should be academies and maybe all children should be checked for magical abilities in the same way kindergartens have various ability tests. I'm not sure they should be called Circles, because of what Circles currently imply.

 

Ideally it should be promoted that mages are above all else just people, no better or worse than people without magic (I think tevinter has a problem with that)

 

I'm not so sure about the Templars, granted there out to be someone capable of disaster management, but it sort of irk me that they are basically lyrium addicts.

 

And the problem with Templars is that they are not just "jailers" they are "judges" and "executors", too much power for one group, imo. The whole government construct of Thedas while uncomplicated is pretty linear, which realistically speaking  is very problematic.

 

There should be proceedings and not summary judgments and if for some reason someone got executed before being judged, there should be investigation into it by a neutral party, etc.

 

Basically whole Thedas is a bunch of extreme nations that could use a big dose of moderation and common sense.

[Lulupab]

There is someone THIS naïve on this planet?

Really? Free mages will never seek power? They just want to hold hands and live in harmony.

This ain't my My Little Pony and these aren't unicorns!

 

I could same the same thing.

 

There is someone THIS paranoid on this planet? The idea that all of them will get punished for it and the fact that they don't have a chance in a conflict are very compelling reasons to control oneself and control others of your kind. Of course you are more on the aspect of double standards than anything but whatever. I could start a long debate about this but I don't have time and you always leave it middle anyhow.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Lets keep it civil we are on a streak

BSN is the opposite of civil, just like the cnn comment section. if everyone just loved dwarves equally there wouldn't be any problems.

[Br3admax]

People of every origin seek power, and will do whatever it takes to gain it.. You're naive in thinking it's only a mage who does such a thing. Celene burned down an entire alienage killing hundreds of elves in order to appease nobles who were starting to doubt her. 

Wow, show me the quote were he said everyone wouldn't do the same. 

 

I could same the same thing.

 

There is someone THIS paranoid on this planet? The idea that all of them will get punished for it and the fact that they don't have a chance in a conflicts are very compelling reasons to control oneself. Of course you are more on the aspect of double standards than anything but whatever. I could start a long debate about this but I don't have time and you always leave it middle anyhow.

 

It's not paranoia to think that a group will work to increase it's hold on the area around it and increase in strength, it's common sense. There is no debate to be had. Any singular group in the world, period, works to one end, to make itself right and the most powerful. The most agreed with. You're doing it right now, but mages won't? Oookay, to that too. 

[Lulupab]

It didn't so much fail so much as was made to fail. People behind the scenes put motions into place that forced the templars (and mages hand.) People like Fiona and Adrian, but nobody is at more fault than Divine Justinia. She forced Lambert's hand, even after Fiona's idiocy and Adrian's callous scheming, there was a chance that nothing would happen. Justinia put an end to that.

 

You mean the Divine didn't cuddle the Templars and for once after thousand years leaned a little towards the mages? Justinia is venerated by every single person we meet in the game, she was the best thing that happened to Thedas in long while. Besides a conversation between Cole and Cass reveals that Lambert seek to bring the Divine and the system associated with her down and make himself the dictator. The seekers and lord seeker Lambert get the majority of the fault here.

[raging_monkey]

BSN is the opposite of civil, just like the cnn comment section. if everyone just loved dwarves equally there wouldn't be any problems.

haha true lol

[TheTsar_]

Wow, show me the quote were he said every doesn't act the same. 

 

It's not paranoia to think that a group will work to increase it's hold on the area around it and increase in strength, it's common sense. There is no debate to be had. Any singular group in the world, period, works to one end, to make itself right. You're doing it right now, but mages won't? Oookay, to that too. 

So why should a Mage be locked away for life when ANYBODY is capable of committing mass murder? Way to take my post out of context though, frustrating when people like you reply like that. 

[MisterJB]

People of every origin seek power, and will do whatever it takes to gain it.. You're naive in thinking it's only a mage who does such a thing. Celene burned down an entire alienage killing hundreds of elves in order to appease nobles who were starting to doubt her. 

 

No, I don't think only mages will do. I just don't want mages to do it to non-mages.

[I present Chuck Bass]

We all just need to admit we checked out Dagna here and there. We need to find that common middle ground guys.. relieve all this tension.

[Lulupab]

Wow, show me the quote were he said everyone wouldn't do the same. 

 

It's not paranoia to think that a group will work to increase it's hold on the area around it and increase in strength, it's common sense. There is no debate to be had. Any singular group in the world, period, works to one end, to make itself right and the most powerful. The most agreed with. You're doing it right now, but mages won't? Oookay, to that too. 

 

That depends on what you mean by "power". If mages gain prestige in the college but still be unable to have any power over mundanes I wouldn't necessarily see it as a threat. Mages are allowed to rise in power in their own institution as long as it doesn't interact with none-mages.

[SnakeCode]

People of every origin seek power, and will do whatever it takes to gain it.. You're naive in thinking it's only a mage who does such a thing. Celene burned down an entire alienage killing hundreds of elves in order to appease nobles who were starting to doubt her. 

The difference being that mages have the means to attain the power that they seek. How is your average serf going to do it? No martial training, no money, no influence. It just isn't feasible.

 

Mages actually can attain all of this and more through magic, eventually any society with free mages will see those mages rise to the top.Usurping nobles and even monarchs. The end result being a magocracy.

[AshesEleven]

 

 

I'm not so sure about the Templars, granted there out to be someone capable of disaster management, but it sort of irk me that they are basically lyrium addicts.

 

And the problem with Templars is that they are not just "jailers" they are "judges" and "executors", too much power for one group, imo. The whole government construct of Thedas while uncomplicated is pretty linear, which realistically speaking  is very problematic.

 

 

 

Perhaps just Seekers, then, who are willing and consent to go through the process of gaining their powers.  Unfortunately that would probably mean a huge drop in Seeker numbers, which would be less effective.  

[MisterJB]

Some of the pro-mages should play The Witcher 2 and deal with Lodge of Sorceresses for a while.

[raging_monkey]

Some of the pro-mages should play The Witcher 2 and deal with Lodge of Sorceresses for a while.

i have but those are two different universe my friend XD (books are better imo)

[Hellion Rex]

I'm all for better rights and perhaps employment in the military or as healers, under supervision of course. I have no problem with the Circle system, though there are many power imbalances that I believe must be addressed. We Magi must bloom where we are planted. We must nurture our gifts for the betterment of all Thedas.

[Hellion Rex]

Some of the pro-mages should play The Witcher 2 and deal with Lodge of Sorceresses for a while.

I played it. But even still, I don't know if that's necessarily applicable in this situation.

[TheTsar_]

No, I don't think only mages will do. I just don't want mages to do it to non-mages.

But it's fine for non-mages to do it to mages? Nobody seems to have an issue with Templars killing hundres of Mage's.(Knight-Captain Gervasio & Knight-Captain Nicolas)

[raging_monkey]

I'm all for better rights and perhaps employment in the military or as healers, under supervision of course. I have no problem with the Circle system, though there are many power imbalances that I believe must be addressed. We Magi must bloom where we are planted. We must nurture our gifts for the betterment of all Thedas.

cant we just go to a nice island... seems easier but i agree with this lol

[Br3admax]

I'm all for better rights and perhaps employment in the military or as healers, under supervision of course. I have no problem with the Circle system, though there are many power imbalances that I believe must be addressed. We Magi must bloom where we are planted. We must nurture our gifts for the betterment of all Thedas.

But "we Magi" have magical powers. Therefore we should get to just pick up our stakes, breed for a couple hundred years, and when we run out of resources, we expand back into Thedas. 

 

 

Which is another good thing about magic in the Witcher. Sterility. 

[Hellion Rex]

But it's fine for non-mages to do it to mages? Nobody seems to have an issue with Templars killing hundres of Mage's.(Knight-Captain Gervasio & Knight-Captain Nicolas)

Who?