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[I present Chuck Bass]

Yes.

 

Most convincing reasoning I have heard yet.* slow clap*

[SnakeCode]

Are you deliberately ignoring the reveal that Lambert was trying to overthrow the divine? Because frankly its getting amusing as its the 3rd time.

Overthrow her authority? After she showed that she couldn't be trusted with that authority? I really don't think he was in the wrong in that. When the head of your order becomes corrupt, they need to be removed as the head of that order.

[Lulupab]

Well in context that writers have created mage freedom doesn't make sense if writers don't want to recon 1) demons 2) fear of magic 3) following factions: circles, templars and chantry (well these go under some change in DAI but I doubt far enough).

 

Leliana either charms the chantry or kills those zealot sects that oppose her based on her personality (softened, hardened). She also rededicates the chantry into principle of charity

 

The first thing she does is disbanding Templars and forever and replacing their duties with reformed seekers under "justice for all" banner.

 

She also dissolves the circles.

 

Cassandra reforms both the Templars and circles and favors them based on who you sided with with. For example she allows mages to govern themselves and college is also one of her epilogues.

[Lulupab]

Overthrow her authority? After she showed that she couldn't be trusted with that authority? I really don't think he was in the wrong in that. When the head of your order becomes corrupt, they need to be removed as the head of that order.

 

Well you have a good opinion there, sadly its not shared by a single person in Thedas and to be honest with you ultimately their opinion matters, not a BSNer that likes to see the world like he wants to. Divine Justinia was the best thing that happened to Thedas in a long while and Lambert was a traitor, that's how things are in the game and pretty much canon.

 

And I repeat he was planning the coup way before asunder events. 

[Panda]

Leliana either charms the chantry or kills those zealot sects that oppose her based on her personality (softened, hardened). She also rededicates the chantry into principle of charity

 

The first thing she does is disbanding Templars and forever and replacing their duties with reformed seekers under "justice for all" banner.

 

She also dissolves the circles.

 

Cassandra reforms both the Templars and circles and favors them based on who you sided with with. For example she allows mages to govern themselves and college is also one of her epilogues.

 

Ok so I have to make sure Leliana never gets to be divine in my playthroughs. Thanks for the tip!

[RobRam10]

It's not perfect, nor will it ever be. But, I think a system like the above is a much needed step in the right direction.

You are making Slaanesh sad.

[Laughing_Man]

Well in context that writers have created mage freedom doesn't make sense if writers don't want to recon 1) demons 2) fear of magic 3) following factions: circles, templars and chantry (well these go under some change in DAI but I doubt far enough).

 

No one asked for retcons. All I said was that people suggested workable solutions in the past, solutions that afford mages most or many of their freedoms, and at the same time taking steps to minimize risks, if through education, specialized security forces, and using magic actually "to serve man" through healing and other services.

 

Mages are great as bogyman if you want to keep the peasants in line, but the potential for using magic to actually advance society and science *responsibly* - is almost unlimited.

[raging_monkey]

Still say a island is our best bet

[Lulupab]

Ok so I have to make sure Leliana never gets to be divine in my playthroughs. Thanks for the tip!

 

Feel free, but pretty much in all endings templars get the stick and mages get better lives. Only the scale of that is different. 

[Reguire]

Circles should be reformed. Mages should have more rights in the Circle.

[Lulupab]

Solas is coming bichez, prepare your anuses.  

[raging_monkey]

Solas is coming bichez, prepare your anuses.  

im so ready XD

[SnakeCode]

Well you have a good opinion there, sadly its not shared by a single person in Thedas and to be honest with you ultimately their opinion matters, not a BSNer that likes to see the world like he wants to. Divine Justinia was the best thing that happened to Thedas in a long while and Lambert was a traitor, that's how things are in the game and pretty much canon.

 

And I repeat he was planning the coup way before asunder events. 

Source?

[Lulupab]

Source?

Cole. partly his own conversation and his dialogue with Cass. Cole also tells you Lambert liked using the laws to hurt the mages so he tried to twist them in a way that he could hurt them more. He also enjoyed it. Cole has never been wrong in his readings of people and that's why he killed him. Cassandra shows respect to Cole's decision because she also agrees he had to die.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Still say a island is our best bet

 

Yeah an island inhabited only by dwarves... now we are getting somewhere.

[SnakeCode]

Feel free, but pretty much in all endings templars get the stick and mages get better lives. Only the scale of that is different. 

They don't though, things end up very well indeed for the Templars if they are sided with. They either become the order they were always meant  to be, or they become the core of the inquisitions army.

[Obadiah]

To me, the situation is this: we can't stop mages being born, so on a long enough timeline they will gain complete freedom.

What story and lessons will history teach of the non-mages to those freed mages before that happens?

[raging_monkey]

Yeah an island inhabited only by dwarves... now we are getting somewhere.

oh yeah dwarvian lovers for all

[SnakeCode]

Cole. partly his own conversation and his dialogue with Cass. Cole also tells you Lambert liked using the laws to hurt the mages so he tried to twist them in a way that he could hurt them more. He also enjoyed it. Cole has never been wrong in his readings of people and that's why he killed him. Cassandra shows respect to Cole's decision because she also agrees he had to die.

Cole is biased as hell. I mean an actual source that PROVES your claim, from the book or something.

[Lulupab]

They don't though, things end up very well indeed for the Templars if they are sided with. They either become the order they were always meant  to be, or they become the core of the inquisitions army.

With reforms and restrictions, so yeah. They cannot become what they were before the rebellion, which is a clear implication that something was wrong with them.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Feel free, but pretty much in all endings templars get the stick and mages get better lives. Only the scale of that is different. 

 

so you think in the next game, wherever it is, the mages will be free in thedas... because thats the canon the writers at bioware have taken?

[Lulupab]

Cole is biased as hell. I mean an actual source that PROVES your claim, from the book or something.

And you are not biased? Cole read him like he does everyone else and he is always accurate. He is also incapable of lying.

Cole > You.

Also Cassandra has the same beliefs. Her quote "Lord seeker Lambert betrayed us all, there is no question".

[TheTsar_]

Cole is biased as hell. I mean an actual source that PROVES your claim, from the book or something.

It's impossible for Cole to be bias or lie, if you played DA2 you'd know that this is the case with spirits like him. 

[SnakeCode]

With reforms and restrictions, so yeah. They cannot become what they were before the rebellion, which is a clear implication that something was wrong with them.

Of course there was something wrong with them, there was no oversight. With Cassandra's reformed seekers, and Ser Barris as head templar, things are about as good as can be for the templars, and as a result, the mages too.