LOL!!!
Females Everywhere was brilliant. It started out as a troll intending to ruffle feathers... they succeeded... then a group of people steered it into a different direction, discussing the pleasures of Tali's sweat graph, recipes and hot anime chicks.
It was classic.
Even so, posters shouldn't be able to use trolling as a tool to get threads they disagree with closed. Censoring things you don't want to hear is never the right answer.
Even so, posters shouldn't be able to use trolling as a tool to get threads they disagree with closed. Censoring things you don't want to hear is never the right answer.
It's not censoring, IMO. I was in that thread & most of the time anyone comes putting arguments get good responses by people participating. There are lots of arguments & the discussions were polite & respectful (I started to "butt in" after the first 20 pages).
Then, since the thread was called "Female Everywhere", lots of female players come to give voices. And since lots of people (including me) disagree with OP's opinion & feel that this thread may be a troll, we posted recipes for cooking (ironically considered feminime activities) & some guys participated too. That kinda being a thread full or irony.
In my very own definition, talking about feminin activities in "Female Everywhere" thread is kinda appropriate if not ironic, ain't it?
TBH, I still wonder whether that guy writing that post was only trolling or is he really serious? Poor him in both cases 
It's not censoring, IMO. I was in that thread & most of the time anyone comes putting arguments get good responses by people participating. There are lots of arguments & the discussions were polite & respectful (I started to "butt in" after the first 20 pages).
Then, since the thread was called "Female Everywhere", lots of female players come to give voices. And since lots of people (including me) disagree with OP's opinion & feel that this thread may be a troll, we posted recipes for cooking (ironically considered feminime activities) & some guys participated too. That kinda being a thread full or irony.
In my very own definition, talking about feminin activities in "Female Everywhere" thread is kinda appropriate if not ironic, ain't it?
TBH, I still wonder whether that guy writing that post was only trolling or is he really serious? Poor him in both cases
I was speaking generally, not about the "females everywhere" thread. Of course purposely getting threads with messages you don't like locked s censoring them, it's taking away the option of reasonal debate. It's no different from people disabling the comments section on youtube or flagging down videos you don't like as spam. If you don't want to hear it, don't listen, but give others the option to make up their own minds.
I was speaking generally, not about the "females everywhere" thread. Of course purposely getting threads with messages you don't like locked s censoring them, it's taking away the option of reasonal debate. It's no different from people disabling the comments section on youtube or flagging down videos you don't like as spam. If you don't want to hear it, don't listen, but give others the option to make up their own minds.
Ok, first thing, up to now I only participated in lots of recipes & randomness in that Females Everywhere topic & not other topics. And I won't comment on why certain people disabled youtube comments.
The thing is, we are in a forum. If you make a thread, you'll have to be ready for people not agreeing at all or consider your opinion an attempt of trolling. I'm more like saying if you don't want people to highly disagree with you & consider your opinion highly "whatever", don't even post it. At least, at that thread I mentioned, everyone voicing any kind of opinion in any direction get good & polite & very open discussion that follows.
Well, that's my 2 cents anyway 
Ok, first thing, up to now I only participated in lots of recipes & randomness in that Females Everywhere topic & not other topics. And I won't comment on why certain people disabled youtube comments.
The thing is, we are in a forum. If you make a thread, you'll have to be ready for people not agreeing at all or consider your opinion an attempt of trolling. I'm more like saying if you don't want people to highly disagree with you & consider your opinion highly "whatever", don't even post it. At least, at that thread I mentioned, everyone voicing any kind of opinion in any direction get good & polite & very open discussion that follows.
Well, that's my 2 cents anyway
Again, i'm not talking about the "females everywhere" thread, I never posted in it. I have little interest in what happened in that thread.
I'm talking about people who deliberately (or at least try to) get threads locked because they don't like the message within.
And how is telling people to not post something that they think may be unpopular going to help? How is that NOT censoring them?
Not wanting people to disagree with them is why people are trolling threads and getting them closed in the first place. I'm arguing for the opposite, removing the troll posts and insults BUT leaving threads open (like they have done with the gay KISA thread) IS actually giving people the opportunity to disagree, so long as they do so in a civil and respectful manner.
Again, i'm not talking about the "females everywhere" thread, I never posted in it. I have little interest in what happened in that thread.
I'm talking about people who deliberately (or at least try to) get threads locked because they don't like the message within.
And how is telling people to not post something that they think may be unpopular going to help? How is that NOT censoring them?
Not wanting people to disagree with them is why people are trolling threads and getting them closed in the first place. I'm arguing for the opposite, removing the troll posts and insults BUT leaving threads open (like they have done with the gay KISA thread) IS actually giving people the opportunity to disagree, so long as they do so in a civil and respectful manner.
I'm not telling people to not post something that is unpopular, I'm simply saying that if you want to post any opinions, better be prepared that someone, some people will be either offended, find your post a trolling, or simply disagree on various degree.
I'm on for discussion, that's why I'm not big into writing to a mod asking for a thread to be closed. Better stay at that thread & response politely & defend your point.
However, I must admit that some topics are just highly too controversial & sensitive (especially anything concerning sexuality, genders, race, etc) and mod intervention may be good. Topics like this will often cause sh*tstorm if uncontrolled since we are in the digital world where anonimity is quite easy.
And if I understand you correctly, we're actually quite on the same side
I'm not telling people to not post something that is unpopular, I'm simply saying that if you want to post any opinions, better be prepared that someone, some people will be either offended, find your post a trolling, or simply disagree on various degree.
I'm on for discussion, that's why I'm not big into writing to a mod asking for a thread to be closed. Better stay at that thread & response politely & defend your point.
However, I must admit that some topics are just highly too controversial & sensitive (especially anything concerning sexuality, genders, race, etc) and mod intervention may be good. Topics like this will often cause sh*tstorm if uncontrolled since we are in the digital world where anonimity is quite easy.
And if I understand you correctly, we're actually quite on the same side
I believe that we are on the same side, for the most part.
Of course people are always going to disagree or be offended by something. I just feel like there's a big difference between "I'm offended by this" and "I'm offended by this so it should be banned/closed/locked etc." And to be clear, i'm not advocating for all threads to remain open, some are indeed troll threads designed to bait people into arguments, and those do need to be closed, but a lot of these threads that are locked are people simply giving their opinions or airing their grievances.
As an example, these people who aren't happy with the romances for straight guys in the game. I disagree with them that "we" have been shafted, I disagree with them that the romances options are unattractive, but I still believe that they should have the right to express these opinions.
I believe that we are on the same side, for the most part.
Of course people are always going to disagree or be offended by something. I just feel like there's a big difference between "I'm offended by this" and "I'm offended by this so it should be banned/closed/locked etc." And to be clear, i'm not advocating for all threads to remain open, some are indeed troll threads designed to bait people into arguments, and those do need to be closed, but a lot of these threads that are locked are people simply giving their opinions or airing their grievances.
As an example, these people who aren't happy with the romances for straight guys in the game. I disagree with them that "we" have been shafted, I disagree with them that the romances options are unattractive, but I still believe that they should have the right to express these opinions.
Well, while I'm agree, the thing is that sexuality is never a subject where everyone can express their opinion in an open & polite manners. Not yet anyway, or not in BSN probably. Most threads I've seen on this subject had always finished in people getting hurt. This is very personal subject for most, and some are really really wounded because this is important for them for reasons. People getting hurt often means some getting defensively offensive (does this phrase make any sense?). This would rarely contribute positively to the conversation.
Just hope that one day it'll be possible.
Well... that's that. 
Well, while I'm agree, the thing is that sexuality is never a subject where everyone can express their opinion in an open & polite manners. Not yet anyway, or not in BSN probably. Most threads I've seen on this subject had always finished in people getting hurt. This is very personal subject for most, and some are really really wounded because this is important for them for reasons. People getting hurt often means some getting defensively offensive (does this phrase make any sense?). This would rarely contribute positively to the conversation.
Just hope that one day it'll be possible.
Well... that's that.
I agree with everything you said, I really do. The thing is, saying "I don't think --- is attractive" or "This character is ugly" isn't an attack on someones sexuality, or gender. Even saying "We got the short end of the stick" though wrong, isn't an attack.
The problem is, most of the responses to these kinds of posts ARE. The "straight men are whiners/crybabies/are spitting their dummies out" posts are attacking both a persons gender and sexuality. Alas, i'm rambling, and getting back into the modding discrepancy territory.
I'll finish by saying that I agree that someones sexuality (or gender) should never be something that should be attacked. All posts/posters doing so should be dealt with accordingly, which is why I'm baffled that the attacks on "straight white males" are not only allowed to stand, but actually appear to be getting rewarded (via the person who's being attacked having their thread locked.)
I agree with everything you said, I really do. The thing is, saying "I don't think --- is attractive" or "This character is ugly" isn't an attack on someones sexuality, or gender. Even saying "We got the short end of the stick" though wrong, isn't an attack.
The problem is, most of the responses to these kinds of posts ARE. The "straight men are whiners/crybabies/are spitting their dummies out" posts are attacking both a persons gender and sexuality. Alas, i'm rambling, and getting back into the modding discrepancy territory.
I'll finish by saying that I agree that someones sexuality (or gender) should never be something that should be attacked. All posts/posters doing so should be dealt with accordingly, which is why I'm baffled that the attacks on "straight white males" are not only allowed to stand, but actually appear to be getting rewarded (via the person who's being attacked having their thread locked.)
I'm out of like, again. So LIKE!
And let's hope for humanity... of elfity, dwarfity, and qunarity.
Oh god....
You know what
Forget Viv as a romance option, after hearing her banter with Bull I want soooo bad for the two of them to hook up.
Imagine the SCANDAAAAAAL!
more....imagine the Doomme/sub dynamicsImagine the SCANDAAAAAAL!
more....imagine the Doomme/sub dynamics
And the septum piercing!!!!
It's... weird to imagine Bull as the Sub... 
Still, if it's with Viv he'll definitely be the Sub one
Wait how is this still going? I thought it would die out like 10 pages ago. Oh well.
I do wonder whats up with Bull and Viv, why does he have such a reaction to her.
Wait how is this still going? I thought it would die out like 10 pages ago. Oh well.
I do wonder whats up with Bull and Viv, why does he have such a reaction to her.
Bwahahahaha I wonder that as well. But wait yeah you're right, we're actually out of topic!
bull is a switch and Viv is a true Domme. Couple that with bull harboring feelings for his own surragate mother and Viv "resemblance" to her and BAM....bull is in his knees with a septum ring and a leash attached to itWait how is this still going? I thought it would die out like 10 pages ago. Oh well.
I do wonder whats up with Bull and Viv, why does he have such a reaction to her.
It's... weird to imagine Bull as the Sub...
Still, if it's with Viv he'll definitely be the Sub one
He is a sub in every single way. It's just that he is constantly put in the position where he has to be top. I think the term is "service top" or something. He can't pretend he isn't a sub with Viv.
bull is a switch and Viv is a true Domme. Couple that with bull harboring feelings for his own surragate mother and Viv "resemblance" to her and BAM....bull is in his knees with a septum ring and a leash attached to it
Simple as that
First time I saw her I thought "well, at least they didn't dressed her in black leather"
yeeeeeepFirst time I saw her I thought "well, at least they didn't dressed her in black leather"
not even remotely she found him out IMMEDIATELYHe is a sub in every single way. It's just that he is constantly put in the position where he has to be top. I think the term is "service top" or something. He can't pretend he isn't a sub with Viv.
The posts about Iron Bull and Viv have put images in my head...there glorious.
you are welcomeThe posts about Iron Bull and Viv have put images in my head...there glorious.
Indeed.
As a heterosexual male, I kind of feel shafted by the lack of romance options. One of my only real concerns with DA:I (in fact, possibly my only concern altogether) is that there was a lot of... SJW pandering.
I identify myself as a progressive liberal, but at the same time, I'm not really for the whole 'make everyone and everything acceptable for everyone'.
If I made the game, I'd have had 3 or 4 het romances for each gender, 2 bisexual romances, and maybe 1 homosexual romance for both genders.
See I don't get posts like this... A game actually having more than one or two non-straight identified characters is pandering to SJW's? Really? These kinds people actually exist you know. It doesn't harm you to have them represented in game media. It does harm them to remain non-existent in such media. When you find yourself not represented at all... or represented poorly in popular media you are left as "other", "outside", "isolated". No one should be made to feel that way. More inclusion generally improves society IMO.
And you see absolutely nothing wrong with "3 or 4 het romances for each gender" (for you)... "2 bisexual ones" (that you could possibly enjoy too) and "maybe 1 homosexual romance for both genders" (because why should anyone interested in pursuing a same sex romance have the same number of options that you enjoy right?)
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