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[I present Chuck Bass]

The world they have created is not very female gamer friendly and to me it seems like developers of the game never even though that female gamer might play their game. I don't know if they have improved on Witcher 2 and upcoming 3rd game but the first one really makes me uncomfortable with it's treatment of female characters. The very badly written one-night stands and flirt options are one part of it (and some even contradict world they have createn wtf), the lack of plot relevant female characters (except Tris and Shianni who are still sexualised for no reason) and sexist environment that they have created (for example lot of female NPCs for example say that their husband don't permit them to talk strangers etc.) all contribute to my uncomfortabless with the game.

Well I edited my post on how I feel about that... But idk I can see where you are coming from. The 2nd was entirely better regarding this matter and the 3rd who knows, but you can play as a female. I don't think the developers had the intentions when creating the game that " hey let's be sexist and make women uncomfortable". They simply wanted to create a unique world. In regards to the npc wives not being able to talk to strangers comment... That was common throughout history in many different places, Ancient Greece for example. So if you are going to create a game that wants to create the sense that it's taking place in the past... You would do such things.

[Ynqve]

Well I edited my post on how I feel about that... But idk I can see where you are coming from. The 2nd was entirely better regarding this matter and the 3rd who knows, but you can play as a female. I don't think the developers had the intentions when creating the game that " hey let's be sexist and make women uncomfortable". They simply wanted to create a unique world. In regards to the npc wives not being able to talk to strangers comment... That was common throughout history in many different places, Ancient Greece for example. So if you are going to create a game that wants to create the sense that it's taking place in the past... You would do such things.

 

You can create a sexist world and still be female friendly. Sounds like a paradox, I know. But it's all about what you decide to do with the sexist setting. The most obvious example is GoT/ASoIaF. George RR Martin created a horrible setting full of sexism, racism and violence. But he also gave us brilliant female (and male) characters who both embrace and challenge the status quo. Some succed, some fail horribly but at least they try. He's using the sexist backdrop to add to his characters, he's not content by saying "yes it's horrible. It's supposed to be horrible. It's realism!"

 

And that's something that I always felt was missing with the Witcher and games like it. I can't see the point in having a sexist backdrop if you're not going to do something interesting with it. I'm not saying you need to populate the worlds with Strong Independent Women who succeed in a mans world despite being women, in fact I really dislike that trope. I just want diverse characters who fit in the spectrum between Arya and Sansa Stark. 

 

That being said: TW2 was a huge step forward from TW1.

[crimzontearz]

Ah you meant this. Hmm yea from what other players have seen it seems like Josie's romance is too plain or boring to many though there is still people who enjoy it as well.

no...it was intentionally crafted to be super-PG-it-could-be-aired-on-nickelodeon for some reason which then shot ANY sexual tension that could have been in the scrotum...

[Colonelkillabee]

It's not that they aren't also well developed characters too (Samara is my favorite character in the game).  It's that the sexualization is really prominent and serves no real purpose (maybe it does with Jack and Miranda to an extent).

The purpose is to entertain and give dudes a hard on.

 

Or lesbians and bisexuals a lady boner, lol. Personally, I usually resent such obvious attempts to manipulate me into liking someone, like Miranda who I don't like at all, but there doesn't really need to be more reason than to entertain. These are games after all.

 

I only really have a problem with it when it seems to go against someone's character. Like Ashley Williams popping in a skirt when she's supposed to be this tough as nails badass marine chick. She was just fine in Mass effect 1. Wasn't the ****** meat plates and pink ass crack enough? Lol I enjoyed that last one just fine, hehe. (Down with boob plate forever though. Looks stupid).

 

bUT NOoo, they had to shove her in high heels n' **** too and throw her in make up and ****. Ugg.

[Panda]

Well I edited my post on how I feel about that... But idk I can see where you are coming from. The 2nd was entirely better regarding this matter and the 3rd who knows, but you can play as a female. I don't think the developers had the intentions when creating the game that " hey let's be sexist and make women uncomfortable". They simply wanted to create a unique world. In regards to the npc wives not being able to talk to strangers comment... That was common throughout history in many different places, Ancient Greece for example. So if you are going to create a game that wants to create the sense that it's taking place in the past... You would do such things.

 

 

I don't think developers had any malicious intends when creating their world. I just think they forgot that they could would female characters in better roles and not sexualise them, they can be pretty and sexy still but not just for pure fanservice regardless of their personality and environment. Also the "romances" in the game are so bad and downgrade these female characters even more, they could have just wrote less one-nightstands and make them in situations that actually make sense. Now they just felt were forced fanservice that even argued against their own world and plot at the moments.

 

I get that they were going with medieval Europe kinda of world so in that sense I understand including sexism. But as female player.. it still doesn't make me happy to see it in game and when it's combined with the other things I spoke about I think it gives poor picture of the women in the series.

[dragonflight288]

Cass is OK. There is sexual tension, there is teasing....I just preferred Josie emotionally. BUT Josie lacked that tension....if she panned out a bit more like Tali or Liara who were innocent/virginal but did demonstrate a certain passion (to use a word bull likes so) it would have been perfect.


Not to say it is not implied she might have it. It is just never shown because Bioware thought they knew best

 

Well, she is passionate about finding non-violent ways to solve problems after she was traumatized by accidentally killing a friend while a bard. 

 

And it is pretty epic how she interrupts the duel with you and that Antivan noble. 

[BobZilla84]

Another thing that really pisses me off is how they handled Cassandras Romance in regards to the whole Divine situation we all know Cass is a devout Andrastian and she would not break they Chantries rules to allow the relationship with the Inquisitor to continue.

And thats whats irks me if Cass becomes Divine she should have ended the relationship with The Inquisitor I know alot of people wouldnt have liked it but it would have been realistic and The Inquisitor could move on with someone else then.

Vivienne was a missed opprotunity in my opinion she was labled The Ambition and she did whatever it took to advance herself and obtain more power so tell me by the end of Inquistion is the The Inquisitor not one of the most powerful beings in Thedas and considering how she relished the fact that she had both power and station as The Dukes Mistress she would have relized as The Inquisitors Mistress she would have wielded even more power than ever before and she would have gladly have been his\her Mistress.

[daveliam]

Vivienne was a missed opprotunity in my opinion she was labled The Ambition and she did whatever it took to advance herself and obtain more power so tell me by the end of Inquistion is the The Inquisitor not one of the most powerful beings in Thedas and considering how she relished the fact that she had both power and station as The Dukes Mistress she would have relized as The Inquisitors Mistress she would have wielded even more power than ever before and she would have gladly have been his\her Mistress.

 

Perhaps, but I get the impression that there was more to her relationship with Bastien.  She likens it to love at first sight and I genuinely think she was in love with him.  I think that the fact that he was a powerful, rich, and influential man didn't hurt and I might go as far as to say that she would likely never fall in love with someone who wasn't influential.  But I also don't think that this means that she's willing to be the mistress of anyone powerful.  If that's the case, then why is she Bastien's mistress and not Celene's?  Surely if power and prestige is all it takes, she would have dumped Bastien and moved onto Celene at some point, right? 

 

I read Vivienne as an ambitious woman who is attracted to wealth and power.  But that doesn't mean that she's willing to sleep with/become involved with anyone who can benefit her career.  I like that she's not an LI, even though she totally would have been my choice for any of my lesbian inquisitors had she been available.  I especially like that the Inquisitor doesn't have Shep's magical healing sex ability.  Vivienne just lost her longtime lover.  It would have played out very similar to Jaheira, Carth, Sky, Thane, and Steve had she 'gotten over him' by engaging in a relationship with the Inquisitor.

[Shechinah]

(to daveliam) In fairness to the Thane romance, Irikah died when Kolyat was a child so it would have been years between that and a possible romance with Shepard meaning Thane could have finished grieving a while before he even encountered Shepard. 

 

Same cannot be said for Shepard after Thane's death considering the game encouraged me to jump right into the shower with Samantha right after his death... I don't know, maybe it was trying to help me cope?

[HuldraDancer]

@daveliam I apologize for only picking up on a small part of your post like this. I'm not sure a romance with Vivienne could be likened to Sky since he had roughly eight years to mourn his wife and three to mourn his child. I might see a hypothetical romance with Vivienne be a little closer to Steve since his husband is only dead a few months and from what parts of the romance I've done (I've yet to finish a run with him) it seems like he's still in mourning at least to me it does though I could be off on the mark.

[Panda]

There is only one word for romance options in this game;

 

**GAY**

 

Yes.

 

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't think developers had any malicious intends when creating their world. I just think they forgot that they could would female characters in better roles and not sexualise them, they can be pretty and sexy still but not just for pure fanservice regardless of their personality and environment. Also the "romances" in the game are so bad and downgrade these female characters even more, they could have just wrote less one-nightstands and make them in situations that actually make sense. Now they just felt were forced fanservice that even argued against their own world and plot at the moments.

 

I get that they were going with medieval Europe kinda of world so in that sense I understand including sexism. But as female player.. it still doesn't make me happy to see it in game and when it's combined with the other things I spoke about I think it gives poor picture of the women in the series.

You mean the game where you get to watch the sexiest man ever take his shirt off constantly, and where sorceresses manipulate kings and have immense power, and controls a large part of the narrative?

 

Ehhhhhhh, I don't know about that one. Witcher has a lot of female fans.

[zestalyn]

You mean the game where you get to watch the sexiest man ever take his shirt off constantly

 

That is a super subjective statement lol. One of the main reasons I don't feel compelled to play Witcher is because I find Gerault really gross looking. He looks like a greasy haired demon hobo grandpa. I love rugged/older men as much as the next lady, but for me this dude is just creepy, like 'I'll see him in my nightmares o god no' creepy.
 

I get that they were going with medieval Europe kinda of world so in that sense I understand including sexism. But as female player.. it still doesn't make me happy to see it in game and when it's combined with the other things I spoke about I think it gives poor picture of the women in the series.

 

 

I echo your sentiments about Witcher, except I wouldn't say the environment in a fantasy game is ever an excuse for archaic portrayals of women. If this were straightup historical fiction, sure, but any other genre has no obligation to show sexism. DA, like all fantasy franchies, is obviously based on medieval Europe, as well, and yet...look what they did lol.

 

I'm just gonna guess and say DA's number of female fans probably outnumber those for Witcher...even if you were to take the female protagonist out of the DA games, that would probably still be the case. This is based on the fact that they are jam-packed with dynamic and interesting female NPCs that can further engage female players in a respectable way, since they are all diverse in appearances, backgrounds, and personalities, with some even having their chests covered because it's practical! From what I've read and seen, that doesn't like as much as the case for Witcher lol.  (this is of course, in addition to the fact that DA has hotter dudes. Yay) 

[Colonelkillabee]

 

That is a super subjective statement lol. One of the main reasons I don't feel compelled to play Witcher is because I find Gerault really gross looking. He looks like a greasy haired demon hobo grandpa. I love rugged/older men as much as the next lady, but for me this dude is just creepy, like 'I'll see him in my nightmares o god no' creepy.]

Na, you just has no tastes tbh.

[zestalyn]

Na, you just has no tastes tbh.

Let me guess, you're a dude, and here you are judging a chick's taste of men based on her dislike of a pixelated guy that you think is sexy. Mmk. 

[daveliam]

Na, you just has no tastes tbh.

I totally agree that Geralt is gross looking. The only thing attractive about him is that he actually has a little chest hair. Other than that, he checks off almost every 'no' box for me.

[Colonelkillabee]

Let me guess, you're a dude, and here you are judging a chick's taste of men based on her dislike of a pixelated guy that you think is sexy. Mmk. 

No, I'm a woman but thanks for playing. I'd totally drop my panties for him. lol

 

Not my fault you don't know a real man when you see one, grrl.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As someone who can serve as an unbiased perspective, Geralt is not aesthetically pleasing in the way most would consider one to be such. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Rugged awesome beats pretty boy bitches like Cullen any day. For instance, Blackwall.

[Colonelkillabee]

Lady my arse, Killabee!

 

Stop trawling, bro.

ROFL It was funny tho.

 

Don't need a vagina to know bad taste tbh.

[Colonelkillabee]

ROFL It was funny tho.

 

Don't need a vagina to know bad taste tbh.

For instance, Beiber fans. Or Falloutboy fans. Tom Cruise fans. Ashton Kutcher fans...

 

For dragon age, Sebastian. Bad taste, lol.

[jellobell]

I totally agree that Geralt is gross looking. The only thing attractive about him is that he actually has a little chest hair. Other than that, he checks off almost every 'no' box for me.

Agreed. Geralt does nothing for me, either in looks or personality. I mean, I can get past looks if a character fascinates me (I always romance Garrus) but Geralt the dopey white-haired amnesiac does nothing for me on any level.

 

And no game goes out of its way to alienate people, but I've experienced so many of them just not giving a **** about women that I'm sick and tired of it. Why should I waste both time and money on a game that doesn't think I exist? I'd rather just start up a new Inquisition character instead.

[Colonelkillabee]

What is your definition of games not giving a **** about women?

[jellobell]

What is your definition of games not giving a **** about women?

Not considering that women might possibly play their game, for one thing. There are so many signs it'd be difficult to list them all, but a really simple one is camera angles. When the camera lovingly caresses the perfect ass of all of the female characters but doesn't do the same for the male characters, that tells you something about who the game is for and, more importantly, who it isn't for. Hell, even Mass Effect did this.

 

And yes, non-straight women might appreciate such camera angles, but if the developers don't imagine that women might play their game, they certainly aren't thinking about that.