As someone whose whole purpose to exist in the game is to be fanservice and have sex with PC? Sounds like sex object to me.
And yes even if there is one night stands they should have been written well not in way that insults intelligence of player and characters.
Also when there is tons of fanservice to male players but none for female players it feels unwelcoming no matter how bad that fanservice is.
Anyone that's made sexy is being made into a "sex object".
And the game's not about the sex anyway, so it really wasn't necessary. Like you said, fanservice. Kelly Chambers' only plot points was changing your goldfish and dancing in stripper clothes.... The women aren't all like that in Mass Effect or the Witcher.
As for the latter, like I said earlier, I don't feel unwelcome when reading sappy romance novels even when most of that is for women supposedly. Why is this different, I dunno. Sex happens with two (or more) people. Geralt is a man, there's women, there's something for both people. Simple.
Same as how even though those romance novels are focused on the men, I can still get enjoyment from it because the protagonist is a woman. Hence, the sex is still something enjoyable for me.
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Remind me.
What's so bad about sex objects? 
Remind me.
What's so bad about sex objects?
Exactly.
And I'm going to point out that Bioware pretty much made Cullen into a sex object. Lol the Orlesians obviously picked up on that. There's more to him than that but he's important to the story.
Those prostitutes in the brothel in DA 2? That elf in the Cousland story? Not so much. Hell, they even killed her off right after you fucked her. Keep in mind Dragon Age is one of the games Anita Sarkeesian and her ilk pick at with the sex object blah blah bullshit.
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Oh man, people like that need to get a life.
Or at least try to enjoy it rather than spew pointless drivel about what they perceive to be "right and wrong" and attempt to push it down everyone else's throats.
Oh, and PC words sh*t me to tears as well.
"Bigotry."
"Misogyny."
I don't know what makes me want to strangle a cat more... know-it-all politically correct authority figures or the words they use.
Remind me.
What's so bad about sex objects?
That they are female characters who are poorly written and their only purpose is fanservice?
Anyone that's made sexy is being made into a "sex object".
And the game's not about the sex anyway, so it really wasn't necessary. Like you said, fanservice. Kelly Chambers' only plot points was changing your goldfish and dancing in stripper clothes.... The women aren't all like that in Mass Effect or the Witcher.
As for the latter, like I said earlier, I don't feel unwelcome when reading sappy romance novels even when most of that is for women supposedly. Why is this different, I dunno. Sex happens with two (or more) people. Geralt is a man, there's women, there's something for both people. Simple.
Same as how even though those romance novels are focused on the men, I can still get enjoyment from it because the protagonist is a woman. Hence, the sex is still something enjoyable for me.
I think I already explained difference of being sexy and sexualised/sexual objectified so nope. I don't think you can see difference between two though since you claimed Isabela is sexually objectified but Witcher's women aren't which is other way around.
Yes it's have been discussed that Mass Effect also sexualised it's female characters.
Sappy romance novels- well I don't personally read those things nor watch romantic stuff so I wouldn't know- but I'm assuming that they don't include poorly written male characters at least if they are supposed being good romance novels.
Sex is also enjoyable to me. Not when badly done like in the Witcher.
And I'm going to point out that Bioware pretty much made Cullen into a sex object. Lol the Orlesians obviously picked up on that. There's more to him than that but he's important to the story.
Those prostitutes in the brothel in DA 2? That elf in the Cousland story? Not so much. Hell, they even killed her off right after you fucked her. Keep in mind Dragon Age is one of the games Anita Sarkeesian and her ilk pick at with the sex object blah blah bullshit.
No, some parts of Cullen might be fanservicey but he's still character with purpose although you don't romance him so not a sex object.
I don't like having prostitutes in the games, goes too close to human trafficking that I have been getting to know about during my studies but I guess that's something required, so many game has them. Idk why exactly.
Yes good, you are getting hang off this with the female characters that are treated badly ^^ I think Bioware is one that is trying a lot but they aren't perfect.
That they are female characters who are poorly written and their only purpose is fanservice?
I think I already explained difference of being sexy and sexualised/sexual objectified so nope. I don't think you can see difference between two though since you claimed Isabela is sexually objectified but Witcher's women aren't which is other way around.
Yes it's have been discussed that Mass Effect also sexualised it's female characters.
Sappy romance novels- well I don't personally read those things nor watch romantic stuff so I wouldn't know- but I'm assuming that they don't include poorly written male characters at least if they are supposed being good romance novels.
Sex is also enjoyable to me. Not when badly done like in the Witcher.
First of all, you did and you're really wrong. Sexualizing is sexually objectifying. Looking at someone like a piece of meat, scrutinizing their looks, we do this even with ones we love, because part of sex is attraction, which relies on looks, and contact. You are using someone for sexual pleasure. Sexual. Object. It's the same **** It's not ALL about emotions, lol. Even though yea it can play a big role.
As for the romance novels, lol they're filled with throwaway males leading up to the one or two good males that beat all the rest. Sometimes all you know about a guy is that he came too quick all the time and his sweat smelled funny. So yes, lady entertainment does it too....
Oh lord, lol, not going to repeat myself for the second one. I'll leave the conversation there for tonight.
Or at least try to enjoy it rather than spew pointless drivel about what they perceive to be "right and wrong" and attempt to push it down everyone else's throats.
Well at least unlike me you don't get BS pushed down your throat when you try to play the game 
There is only as much BS I can ignore after all until it destroys the game for me ^^
Well Panda Cullen does fill the Archetype of the Goodguy that women all love first there was Alistair ,then Anders & finally Cullen all are good characters but are to much a like for my tastes.No, some parts of Cullen might be fanservicey but he's still character with purpose although you don't romance him so not a sex object.
I don't like having prostitutes in the games, goes too close to human trafficking that I have been getting to know about during my studies but I guess that's something required, so many game has them. Idk why exactly.
Yes good, you are getting hang off this with the female characters that are treated badly ^^ I think Bioware is one that is trying a lot but they aren't perfect.
Well Panda Cullen does fill the Archetype of the Goodguy that women all love first there was Alistair ,then Anders & finally Cullen all are good characters but are to much a like for my tastes.
Oh yeah I also wanted Brothels in DAI so I guess we cant be friends now lol.
Well not all women, personally I'm not attracted any of those listed. But I do think they are aimed for straight female players yes, although Anders probaply also for gay players.
In sense of game I don't mind brothels that much so I'm not against having them in game. I'm not just very fond of prostitution because of things that come with it, game-wise of cource those things don't have to be included. It's just not feature I would use in game really.
I couldn't care less about how many women Geralt get to bang. It's optional, as it should be. Hell, I went the Pokémon 'Gotta catch 'em all!' route when I played through TW1 (I was bored out of my mind and the absurdity of the sex scenes was the closest thing to comedy that game had to offer). It got better in TW2 and he settled down with Triss.
And I actually think that both Isabela and the women in the Witcher are sexualized. Having a sexualized character isn't wrong per say. Having a sexualized character for no other reason than "LOOK, BOOBIES" is stupid. Having a sexualized character where it's counter to their personality/character is insulting. But if you know what you're doing, then sexualization isn't a problem. Isabela was so empowering because she embraced her sexuality and owned it. She wouldn't be the same if she had pants and "sensible" clothes.
I have already stated what makes me uncomfortable and unwelcomed about the Witcher. So far only story has been likeable. But really if you are going to treat 80% of the women in the game sex objects I do have problem with it. This is not about male point of view or masculinity. This is about poorly written female characters whose only purpose is being one night stands for fanservice only for male players. The poorly writteness of these romances even goes against their own story and world.
Women do like same things that men do. But do you really think women should start liking badly written female characters? Fanservicey and poorly written one night stands that are cringe-worthy as best? Sexist environment that makes them feel uncomfortable?
Well "badly written" is certainly subjective, and I don't know why it should make you feel "unwelcome" even if they were. Naturally you're entitled to your POV and your own experience. I didn't feel the same, but I also have given a bit of attention and thought to the Witcher universe so I tend to focus more on the sorceresses or characters like Vaska and see other aspects of their character besides the sexy side (for the sorceresses, lol, not for Vaska). I mean, The Witcher actually has women that look like frumpy old women, which is more than you can say for Dragon Age Origins and its elderly women with perfect stand-up ******.
Also, Yennefer is going to be awesome. 
Also, Yennefer is going to be awesome.
Oh yes.
That is, if they manage to keep her as close to her book persona as possible. I sure hope they will, she's probably my favourite fictional female character.
Well "badly written" is certainly subjective, and I don't know why it should make you feel "unwelcome" even if they were. Naturally you're entitled to your POV and your own experience. I didn't feel the same, but I also have given a bit of attention and thought to the Witcher universe so I tend to focus more on the sorceresses or characters like Vaska and see other aspects of their character besides the sexy side (for the sorceresses, lol, not for Vaska). I mean, The Witcher actually has women that look like frumpy old women, which is more than you can say for Dragon Age Origins and its elderly women with perfect stand-up ******.
Also, Yennefer is going to be awesome.
Badly written as one-dimensional and one night stands. I have already referenced in situations that I find very poorly written on these characters: Abigail's "romance" and Morenns "romance". Abigail's especially, I wanted to face palm so hard. Oh god what they have done to these poor characters.
Everyone keeps talking about characters I don't even know. I did search up for Sorceress and this Yennefer who supposedly is the Sorceress everyone is talking about isn't even in Witcher 1 so not much of comfort.
Umm I wouldn't call Witcher's take on older women better than DA's.. The style they are designed makes them look like different creatures form all these sexualised ladies in the game ^^; I think the styling should be at least more coherent rather than sex bomb in ages 18-40 and then suddenly look like traditional swamp witch...
Well he looks like that because he's, you know, a witcher. If he was some generic looking muscle bound brown haired soldier type, we'd be talking about that.My estrogen levels are fine thank you. I don't find that sexy. Edit: The armor is sexy as is the body but I get to the face and just...
Those yellow eyes creep me out honestly.
But he is significantly less ugly than the past games. So improvement!
I lol'd at that.
Shep seems to be a ass lady/man regardless XD
Because they look like old women? Okay.Badly written as one-dimensional and one night stands. I have already referenced in situations that I find very poorly written on these characters: Abigail's "romance" and Morenns "romance". Abigail's especially, I wanted to face palm so hard. Oh god what they have done to these poor characters.
Everyone keeps talking about characters I don't even know. I did search up for Sorceress and this Yennefer who supposedly is the Sorceress everyone is talking about isn't even in Witcher 1 so not much of comfort.
Umm I wouldn't call Witcher's take on older women better than DA's.. The style they are designed makes them look like different creatures form all these sexualised ladies in the game ^^; I think the styling should be at least more coherent rather than sex bomb in ages 18-40 and then suddenly look like traditional swamp witch...
Well he looks like that because he's, you know, a witcher. If he was some generic looking muscle bound brown haired soldier type, we'd be talking about that.
But if the only reason you don't play the Witcher is because Geralt isn't pretty enough, then by all means don't play The Witcher, because I bitterly resent any pressure to pretty Geralt up. I like my grumpy old men with dubious morals who look like they've seen a lot of battle but are still athletic enough to get the job done. Turning them into airbrushed pretty boys with soft backlighting... don't even talk to me about what they did to Garrett in the new Thief game, for instance.
Because they look like old women? Okay.
Abigail isn't supposed to be a "romance." Geralt only sleeps with her if you choose to have him do so, and even if you do, later on she'll tell him to get over it and move on. She has her own role and personality and a place in the world that has nothing to do with Geralt. Though her story in Chapter 1 is a critique of the trope in medieval literature to see marginalized women, especially sexual ones, as scapegoats for societal problems. Which makes this discussion about the game being sexist and unwelcoming to women kind of ironic.
But hey, whatever. I think what bothers me the most is that even if they say they want diversity, people seem to want all games to fit certain molds and flatter certain prejudices or else they're dismissed out of hand.
They don't look like old women to me.
Abigail is stated as romance although rightful way would be call her one night stand like many others as well since romance wasn't involved.
Umm so lets critique trope by making somethin that closely follows trope and doesn't make fun of it? I mean Deadpool game (although I dislike that one too) at least similar scene which ends Deadpool getting rejected and female characters discussing how awful the trope they are used in. I didn't see anything like that in Abigail's case though I didn't "romance" her, the dialogue options for that were way too badly written and cringe-worthy for me to chose them. Also situation was worst possible to have sex in.
Usually I'm able to look pass things like this but in Witcher the writing of female characters, sexualisation of them and sexist world they have created is just too in my face to be able to really enjoy the game. Of cource I want diversity but Witcher isn't game to provide me any of that, just generic stuff that I hope gaming industry would be passed already.
First time I played TW1 I gave up because I couldn't get past the tutorial since I always got stuck in some crates because of a bug.
I only replayed it a year latter after hearing you can sleep with as many women as you want. It was fun. My then bf was surprised I played it just for that reason.
Of course, it baffled me how Gerald could seduce any woman into sleeping with him since he isn't exactly the best looking guy. He was much more handsome in the series.
Stated by whom?Abigail is stated as romance although rightful way would be call her one night stand like many others as well since romance wasn't involved.
Fine, whatever.Usually I'm able to look pass things like this but in Witcher the writing of female characters, sexualisation of them and sexist world they have created is just too in my face to be able to really enjoy the game. Of cource I want diversity but Witcher isn't game to provide me any of that, just generic stuff that I hope gaming industry would be passed already.
Honestly, I still think it's kinda strange how sexualization is such a hot topic in gaming right now as some sort of proof that women characters have it worse, because it 'objectifies' them. Yet nothing is ever mentioned of the droves upon droves of nameless men we kill in every other game. Which actually fills far more of the criteria of objectification. It's probably because sex is far more taboo than violence (something i'll never understand) in western society, especially stateside.
Stated by whom?
Fine, whatever.
Witcher wiki.
I don't see that on the Wikia, but anyway wikis aren't written by game writers. I only consider Geralt's romances to be Shani or Triss, and really Shani is more of a fling. Yennefer is his old flame and will be a character in TW3.Witcher wiki.
Honestly, I still think it's kinda strange how sexualization is such a hot topic in gaming right now as some sort of proof that women characters have it worse, because it 'objectifies' them. Yet nothing is ever mentioned of the droves upon droves of nameless men we kill in every other game. Which actually fills far more of the criteria of objectification. It's probably because sex is far more taboo than violence (something i'll never understand) in western society, especially stateside.
Tell me about it. European games tend to have more nudity and are more liberal when it comes to sex. While on the states, you can cut an man in half and spill his guts on the screen, but if we see an breast, the media goes ballistic. I never understood why americans are so over the top prude about these things.
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