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[DWA824]

Hopefully Bioware will put the Cut Cullen and Solas stuff back in. I doubt it but it would be nice. It would not fix anything for Straight Males but at least Gay Males get 2 more options.

[katamuro]

Funny how it's bullying for any minority groups to ask for representation in games, because 'artists should tell the story they want to tell, and not worry about quotas or political correctness.'  But then when developers decide to tell a story that might focus on someone other than the 'default'/majority groups, or, Maker forbid, minority groups get more of something than the majority group, it's awful, and they should bear in mind who their biggest funders are, and only ever tell those stories, their own artistic integrity be damned.  

 

Yep, funny.

 

(Please note, my comments pertain to some of the other 'we need more straight female LIs!' threads as well as this one.)

 

If you are addressing me, then please do ensure that you have actually understood what I have written. Did I complain or decry somehow that some minority or women get more? I simply stated the fact that they seem to get more. As for the homosexuality issue you might also notice that I did not emphasize sexuality in my original post. 

And seriously so what if someone finds something offensive? Life is offensive. Life is unfair. The trick is not being offended by small stuff. 

[Vita Brevis]

Funny how it's bullying for any minority groups to ask for representation in games, because 'artists should tell the story they want to tell, and not worry about quotas or political correctness.'  But then when developers decide to tell a story that might focus on someone other than the 'default'/majority groups, or, Maker forbid, minority groups get more of something than the majority group

The funniest thing that female gamers are not the minority group here, they're equals to the male gamers (being about 46-48%). So when males bring that stupid argument in those threads I just can't even.

Not to mention I can't grasp wtf is wrong with someone thinking less of the character who (oh dear god no) might have interest not only in the male but also in a female pc. What bs is this? I feel really sorry for bi people if this bs happens in real life too.

 

Hopefully Bioware will put the Cut Cullen and Solas stuff back in. I doubt it but it would be nice. It would not fix anything for Straight Males but at least Gay Males get 2 more options.

No, they won't. They declared so on twitter I think... Basically they said people can mod anything they want and don't deny Cullen was at some point meant to be bi,but they are done. If there to be DLC, it will be either story related or just some armor-weapons stuff.

[dragonflight288]

Actually you'll get whiners crying "Pandering!" on any topic. Be it elven threads, mage/templar ones, Gaspard vs Celen vs Briala threads or romance ones. 

 

I had a conversation with a pro-templar in one debate and he was saying the game was ruined because in none of the endings is the status quo of the mage/templar dynamic ever restored, and that in all of them the templars are either reformed or destroyed of varying scales. He claimed Bioware was pandering to the mage supporters and that what happened at the end is not how it should've worked because he couldn't get the ending he wanted....or that was pretty much what his argument boiled down to. 

 

This same guy also praised Bioware to high heaven in the elf threads by gloating how the ancient elves sucked so his position on the Dalish elves is justified and felt that pro-elves were doing the accusation of pandering. 

 

I don't think the accusations of pandering has anything to do with the audience, because broad stroke generalizations don't work no matter the group, be they straight men/women, gay/lesbians, elf supporters, dwarf supporters, chantry supporters, and is used as an emotional debate tactic/defense mechanism in that particular context of that particular debate. In this thread we get people dismissing straight guys out of hand as complaining because they're used to being pandered to, but the number of posters mentioning that straight male Inquisitors have less romance options is actually counted on one hand in this thread are bringing it up. 

 

This in turn incurs an emotional reaction from the people pointing it out. 

 

It's all silly, and the people who denounce all straight men over this topic is using a broad generalization that just doesn't work. I know some straight men who play strictly as women (my older brother in fact) because he feels he knows already what it's like to go around as a man, he does it in real life, and he enjoys the interactions between characters while playing as a women. 

 

For people bothered by male romances having less exclusive to them, well, we can deal with it. There's nothing stopping us from playing as a woman. 

 

For people bothered by posters pointing out that as gamers they would like the options to be evenly divided, well, deal with it. A few broad-stroke comments won't shame people into being quiet about it, or get them to shut up and feel immature about their feelings. More likely, they'll think you immature for making broad-stroke comments as if it is the be-all end-all argument on this particular topic. 

 

Most likely what's going on is that Bioware tried implementing suggestions. Having characters strictly one gender-only, having some characters bi, having some characters restricted to a certain race, and they were going for the 2/2/2 deal before adding Cullen and Solas, each of them restricted to a single gender and certain races instead is an implementation of what fans called for in the past. What happens now is Bioware's choice. 

 

I play their games for the story and getting to know the characters, and consider the romance options, whatever they may be, icing of an already delicious cake that I can choose to partake in if I wish. 

[LobselVith8]

Hopefully Bioware will put the Cut Cullen and Solas stuff back in. I doubt it but it would be nice. It would not fix anything for Straight Males but at least Gay Males get 2 more options.

 

There is some dialogue for it already in the game, as DanaDuchy found.

 

I'm honestly uncertain as to why the two available love interests for a straight male Inquisitor had to be Andrastian, though. Particularly when nether one seems very accommodating to the idea that a non-Andrastian main character follows a different faith. In the previous game, we could romance a Dalish elf, and prior to that, we could romance an apostate who didn't believe in the Maker.

[Laurelinde]

If you are addressing me, then please do ensure that you have actually understood what I have written. Did I complain or decry somehow that some minority or women get more? I simply stated the fact that they seem to get more. As for the homosexuality issue you might also notice that I did not emphasize sexuality in my original post. 

And seriously so what if someone finds something offensive? Life is offensive. Life is unfair. The trick is not being offended by small stuff. 

 

As per the last line of my post, I was not addressing any one person, or, in fact, any one thread specifically.  It was a response to a number of similar threads which I have seen recently.

[Rake451]

I have a proposition for BW, don't do romances for straigh pcs at all, so "straight male audience" won't buy the game at all and thus won't complain.

That would be kind of a dick move towards us straight guys who aren't complaining, don't ya think?

[Vita Brevis]

We all know they won't do that thou. And we know they won't stop complaining till the DA4.

[Basement Cat]

We all know they won't do that thou. And we know they won't stop complaining till the DA4.

And then people will complain about that.

[God]

That would be kind of a dick move towards us straight guys who aren't complaining, don't ya think?

 

Indeed. 

 

As a heterosexual male, I kind of feel shafted by the lack of romance options. One of my only real concerns with DA:I (in fact, possibly my only concern altogether) is that there was a lot of... SJW pandering. 

 

I identify myself as a progressive liberal, but at the same time, I'm not really for the whole 'make everyone and everything acceptable for everyone'. 

 

If I made the game, I'd have had 3 or 4 het romances for each gender, 2 bisexual romances, and maybe 1 homosexual romance for both genders. 

[Rake451]

And then people will complain about that.

And then people will call persecution!  And then arguments will begin, and continue in an unending cycle! Threads will be locked!  Fire will rain from the sky!  Human sacrifices!  Cats  living with dogs!  Mass hysteria!

[Vita Brevis]

And then people will complain about that.

Yep.  They're just like that.

[LobselVith8]

Indeed. 

 

As a heterosexual male, I kind of feel shafted by the lack of romance options. One of my only real concerns with DA:I (in fact, possibly my only concern altogether) is that there was a lot of... SJW pandering.

 

You must have played a very different game than I did - one where people weren't pushing you to follow the Andrastian faith, even when you told them you didn't follow the Maker because you followed your people's gods.

 

I identify myself as a progressive liberal, but at the same time, I'm not really for the whole 'make everyone and everything acceptable for everyone'. 

 

If I made the game, I'd have had 3 or 4 het romances for each gender, 2 bisexual romances, and maybe 1 homosexual romance for both genders. 

 

Everyone isn't automatically accepted. Dorian's issues with his father are one example where acceptance wasn't automatically given. Some people decry mages as cursed. There's racism against people who aren't human. I also see little point in limiting players who want a gay romance to a single romance option, which is simply absurd.

[jlb524]

You must have played a very different game than I did - one where people weren't pushing you to follow the Andrastian faith, even when you told them you didn't follow the Maker because you followed your people's gods.

 

 

I think the SJW comment was referencing the fact that there are gay LIs n stuff.

 

Though, what you said is true.

[dragonflight288]

Male Romance: Cassandra, Josephine, Dorian. 

 

two women and one man. 

 

Woman Romance: Blackwall, Sera, Josephine

 

 

two women, one man. 

 

Race gated options: Cullen(elf/human female), Solas(elf female)

 

It looks to me as if the only  real group actually left out was race-gated romance options strictly meant for men. lol. 

 

Say, Scout Harding being only available to dwarf men? lol, how much do you think that would rile up the fans. 

[DWA824]

Actually I'd be fine with Harding only being with Dwarfs. At least it would make sense and be fair.

 

Plus Dwarfs need more love.

[Mocksie]

Well, I'm just going to take a wild guess and say that the romance aspect of Bioware games appeals more to female players than males.

 

Cullen and Solas are race gated so they barely have an impact.

 

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm really glad they didn't make Cullen bi. What they did in ME with Kaiden was silly and didn't make sense. I do agree that men should have just as many options as female players, but making a character that has already been portrayed as straight bi "just because" doesn't make sense.  

 

But making any of the males bi would still give lesbians and straight men the short end of the stick with their options. Hard to please everyone I guess.

 

Regardless, they really should have made Scout Harding romanceable. The majority of romanceable women in the Dragon Age games have been human (Only two elves and five humans - and Sera is for females only). Adding in a female dwarf would provide some much needed diversity.

[fcedric]

yes i entirely agree... Bioware is pro Gays

As a Dalish male inquisitor, i would have appreciate to romance an elven, like Sera (to produce elven babies and reinforce the Dalish nation (which do not yet exist)... 

But unfortunatly, Bioware love when woman prefer woman... My dalish inquisitor is very very sad... he had to romance Cassandra, and now their childs will be half pointy ears...

Common Bioware Dalish race is endangered (voie d'extinction) they need to reproduce between dalish (Elve with Elve) ... and because of YOU Bioware, the Dalish of Thedas will count one (or may be three) less pure blood dalish... And which blood, the inquisitor blood...

The archivist of the inquisitor clan is firing (with eyes) the inquisitor because he is coupled with a non elven...

 

[God]

yes i entirely agree... Bioware is pro Gays

 

There's nothing wrong with that, but my concerns are that they are pro-gay to the point where everything else suffers. I'm accepting of homosexuals, but that doesn't mean I think society should be defined by them.

 

Cassandra's cool, but nothing to write home about. I think Morrigan and Leliana (and even Hawke) could have been romanceable if they weren't romanced in Origins (and II if you had no romance).

[NorwegianPirate]

I think everyone by now has noticed that female inquisitors get more romance options (provided they are elven or human). And sure, it was unfair, but it wasn't exactly planned from the beginning. Solas and Cullen got added when they delayed release of the game for one year. Or so I've heard.

 

Why is exclusivity an issue, though?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I find it annoying that straight male PC's having the most choices is seen as fine but if the choices are fair or just slightly the other way round it suddenly becomes "pandering" or "SJW fanservice"

[LobselVith8]

There's nothing wrong with that, but my concerns are that they are pro-gay to the point where everything else suffers. I'm accepting of homosexuals, but that doesn't mean I think society should be defined by them.

 

I don't think society in Thedas is defined by them, since none of them companions or characters are entirely defined by their sexual orientation; even an Altus like Dorian has a lot going on for him, and being gay is simply one facet of his character. Although I do wish that the initial one-on-one conversation with Dorian in Haven wasn't written as though the main character was Andrastian.

 

Cassandra's cool, but nothing to write home about. I think Morrigan and Leliana (and even Hawke) could have been romanceable if they weren't romanced in Origins (and II if you had no romance).

 

I think we could have been done with more diversity in terms of the available love interests; adding three additional humans (two of whom are Andrastian) to the mix wouldn't have done that.

[Qunquistador]

I find it annoying that straight male PC's having the most choices is seen as fine but if the choicess are fair or just slightly the other way round it suddenly becomes "pandering" or "SJW fanservice"

Apparently the fact that straight guys get 2 choices just like gay guys and gay girls get 2 choices means the sky is falling and the ****** agenda will soon conquer the Earth and force them to slow dance with their bros under a rainbow flag while Sam Smith plays in the background. And gays are supposed to be drama queens? 

 

It's like hearing a toddler cry because their average sized slice of cake isn't as ginourmous as they want it to be.

[Ryzaki]

The funniest thing that female gamers are not the minority group here, they're equals to the male gamers (being about 46-48%). So when males bring that stupid argument in those threads I just can't even.

Not to mention I can't grasp wtf is wrong with someone thinking less of the character who (oh dear god no) might have interest not only in the male but also in a female pc. What bs is this? I feel really sorry for bi people if this bs happens in real life too.

 

No, they won't. They declared so on twitter I think... Basically they said people can mod anything they want and don't deny Cullen was at some point meant to be bi,but they are done. If there to be DLC, it will be either story related or just some armor-weapons stuff.

 

Oh man bi Cullen mod

 

...wait...I play males to get away from being tempted by Cullen.

 

Well ****.

[Panda]

Bioware is pro-gay cause straight female PC has more LI's than straight male PC?