god will these ever go away..
Who..the..hell...CARES...It does not need to be perfectly equal distribution.
Guess what, given a random sampling of any half dozen or so people, you wont' get some perfectly equal distribution of sexualities. Everyone has multiple romance options...everyone gets some representation, thats about all thats needed
How dare you bring excellent reasoning into this!??! 
Oh for the day 'romances' are removed from these games altogether *crosses fingers*!
That's probably the day I quit playing Bioware games.....................
That's probably the day I quit playing Bioware games.....................
Well how embarrassing for you.
I'm honestly in agreement. The characters are what makes these games worth playing. A big part of that interaction is the relationships, even if brief. They're fun. And a staple to the series.
Maybe I wouldn't stop playing them... I don't know, but I do know it's a part of the game I really enjoy. Morrigan, Merril, Cassandra.... love them ladies.
One game that doesn't cater specifically to straight males. Guess you'll just have to play... any other game ever.
I just hope that in the future all romance options are 'player-sexual'. It really is the best compromise in my opinion since it allows everybody to be content and not miss out if some of the limited options aren't to their tastes.
I tend to agree with you; however, a metric buttload of dudebros freak the hell out about the playersexual thing, and assume it's the exact same thing as bisexual. Which, no.
Well he looks like that because he's, you know, a witcher. If he was some generic looking muscle bound brown haired soldier type, we'd be talking about that.
But if the only reason you don't play the Witcher is because Geralt isn't pretty enough, then by all means don't play The Witcher, because I bitterly resent any pressure to pretty Geralt up. I like my grumpy old men with dubious morals who look like they've seen a lot of battle but are still athletic enough to get the job done. Turning them into airbrushed pretty boys with soft backlighting... don't even talk to me about what they did to Garrett in the new Thief game, for instance.
Still ugly.
I shall believe me. 
Here's a crazy thought, what if women simply aren't as into gaming as guys?
And I'm not talking over all but those who play the games a ton and are considered "hardcore" gamers.
I honestly on't think shooting for equality and getting devs to make something besides what they want will make gaming any more appealing for grown women
Personally I think male gamers are as much guilty in this as women. I mean how many were outraged over Josie's and Cass's apprearances? ^^;
The reason for women who are like seems to be: We want change and equality.
For men who are like this: We want everything to stay the way it was.
I still think female and male gamers should be able to find common ground somewhere and be intrested in same games. Well at least we all are here on Bioware's forum so I guess that's good.
I tend to agree with you; however, a metric buttload of dudebros freak the hell out about the playersexual thing, and assume it's the exact same thing as bisexual. Which, no.
I might agree, but I understand that when like in Skyrim, everyone's player sexual, but when you place an amulet of mara on and walk past someone that's an option to bone, even the guys will be like "Woah, you're rocking an amulet of mara? You're looking for marriage?"
I was on my way to Aela when that happened and lol, hearing that from Farkas was interesting to say the least.
It works for games like skyrim where the interactions are shallow in general. Not for games like this in my opinion. I don't want or need someone that I am attracted to to match my sexuality. I'm okay with people being different, even if one group gets more options. As long as there's something for me too.
And if people don't like the options they're given, then well tough. Don't go in a relationship, then. I stayed single in DA 2 for a while after Merrill thoroughly pissed me off and got on my nerves. (lol now I like her again.) No game has to guarantee you'll like the characters in it.
Personally I think male gamers are as much guilty in this as women. I mean how many were outraged over Josie's and Cass's apprearances? ^^;
The reason for women who are like seems to be: We want change and equality.
For men who are like this: We want everything to stay the way it was.
I still think female and male gamers should be able to find common ground somewhere and be intrested in same games. Well at least we all are here on Bioware's forum so I guess that's good.
I honestly think those dudes are a vocal minority. Though admittedly, before the game was out, Cass' images did nothing for me. They improved greatly as the release date crept closer.
Anyway, what I see from dudes who I talk to on the subject isn't that they want things to stay the same, but that they don't ever want the focus in gaming to be about equality and social agendas. We want the objective to be always to make games that are fun and well made. The rest comes with that naturally, since we like women and love well written female characters as much as you do.
I also see a ton of women taking this outlook as well, outside of Bioware. Gamergate was all about this, and many women were there, echoing the same sentiment.
...I think you misunderstood. I was joking. Or at least, mostly joking. I thought the "Cat" part indicated that.
But when people get so invested that they start getting MAD at writers and developers, and others, for not including certain romances, or not doing a romance right, or for "cheating them" on romances, then we have a problem. Look, I love these games as much as any rabid fan. I get that you can get invested in these stories. That ain't a problem, and that's not what my comment was about. When you start crapping on others for their choices, or complaining that the writers aren't specifically pandering to you, and then there are hurt feeling involved? That's a problem.
I did misunderstand. I get you now. Thanks for the reply!
It defs depends on where you are. I live in the south, South Carolina. People hook up all the time of course, since just having sex doesn't require a resume. But there's hooking up, and then there's dating, expecting a relationship and for it to lead somewhere. Here, and in most places I've been actually, that requires the man to have himself together or at least working on it. Going to college and so on.
I think there's possibly an age difference here too. It sounds, and I might be wrong, that you are roughly around "college age" (18-23). I'm definitely not college age anymore. In fact, I could have fathered someone on the younger end of that spectrum. Late teen to mid twenties is a totally different demographic than late 20's to mid thirties. And, if I recall my 'gamer data' correctly, the average age of a gamer falls in the latter category.
Which also jives with this:
This makes way more sense to me. And I know, you shouldn't judge America by looking at a tiny part of it. It's too big and too diverse.
Since I think I remember Ynqve stating at one point that she, like me, is also in that latter demographic (or closer to it).
I think there's possibly an age difference here too. It sounds, and I might be wrong, that you are roughly around "college age" (18-23). I'm definitely not college age anymore. In fact, I could have fathered someone on the younger end of that spectrum. Late teen to mid twenties is a totally different demographic than late 20's to mid thirties. And, if I recall my 'gamer data' correctly, the average age of a gamer falls in the latter category.
Which also jives with this:
Since I think I remember Ynqve stating at one point that she, like me, is also in that latter demographic (or closer to it).
22, yes. Though it doesn't matter much, my mother divorced my father for a while now. Over a decade ago, and her friends come around chatting about men a lot, or they used to. I've talked with her about it, and I've spoken to women in their thirties and forties in college, some of which I'm friends with (only friends 
) and it's really not different. They say of course they want someone they like first, but that him being a gentleman with a plan so to speak is important to them.
You see this in american media as well, this idea being pushed so it's certainly more widespread in our society than just in the South. Especially since we get a lot of people here from places like New York and California.
I think there's possibly an age difference here too. It sounds, and I might be wrong, that you are roughly around "college age" (18-23). I'm definitely not college age anymore. In fact, I could have fathered someone on the younger end of that spectrum. Late teen to mid twenties is a totally different demographic than late 20's to mid thirties. And, if I recall my 'gamer data' correctly, the average age of a gamer falls in the latter category.
Which also jives with this:
Since I think I remember Ynqve stating at one point that she, like me, is also in that latter demographic (or closer to it).
Actually, I'm 22 xD
But I do feel like I'm a lot older when reading some threads
I am so, so tired of this idiotic argument. Look, dude, I don't know you, and for all I know you're a great guy. But this? This is class-A stupid.
I know, off the top of my head, five or six men who didn't admit to themselves they were gay or bi (two of them are now openly gay, the others bi) until they were well into their 20s and 30s. In at least three of those, they had no real inkling they could ever, ever be into a guy. Then they met someone, and it became clear, after a lot of self-searching and not a small amount of heartache.
As much as some people don't want to believe it, sexuality is fluid in some people; it can change over time. There is a trope in fiction of guys meeting other guys as adults, and realizing that holy crap, they like men just like they like women. That trope exists because it is a real, human experience. It may not be your experience, but that doesn't mean it isn't a real one.
Kaidan was never portrayed as straight. Sure, he mentioned only a woman he loved once. That doesn't make him straight. Given that the ME universe is now known to have no stigma about homosexuality, it does indicate that he hadn't been totally into a guy like that before he realizes his affection in ME3 (which, remember, comes after a life-threatening injury and some deep, deep, soul-searching about just why he was so angry about Shepard being possibly compromised, and about what he wants in life), but it could also be just that he never felt for a guy like he felt for that girl at Jump Zero, and he didn't feel it necessary to say "OH RIGHT--I've also sometimes gotten a woodie for hot guys." Because who actually says stuff like that, especially to their CO, even if he is becoming a friend?
I disagree with you saying Kaidan was never portrayed as straight. For years he was referred to by Bioware as a heterosexual romance option for females. In Mass Effect 1 they decided to write him as heterosexual. That isn't the same as with Anders where Gaider said he was always written as bisexual. No matter how realistic they seem, characters are still just characters. Thus nothing about them is fluid since everything they think, say, and do is decided by someone else and are forever restricted to only those things. So the truth of the matter is they took a character who was established and written as heterosexual in the first game and changed it to bisexual in the third game.
Actually, I'm 22 xD
But I do feel like I'm a lot older when reading some threads
We both just stated we're 22 on the 22nd of this month.
I like this. Reminds me of a Rick Ross song, lol.
I tend to agree with you; however, a metric buttload of dudebros freak the hell out about the playersexual thing, and assume it's the exact same thing as bisexual. Which, no.
My argument against playersexuality is that I'd rather have the different sexualities represented. It just seems like a way to cater to everyone. I'd rather we have separate straight, bi, and gay characters.
My argument against playersexuality is that I'd rather have the different sexualities represented. It just seems like a way to cater to everyone. I'd rather we have separate straight, bi, and gay characters.
No, it just caters to the people who get their sexualities chosen. Those who are of the ones that aren't don't get anything. At least playersexual let people headcanon that their sexuality was represented.
We both just stated we're 22 on the 22nd of this month.
I like this. Reminds me of a Rick Ross song, lol.
I'm 22 as well though 
No, it just caters to the people who get their sexualities chosen. Those who are of the ones that aren't don't get anything. At least playersexual let people headcanon that their sexuality was represented.
Except if they have everyone's sexualities represented, everyone gets what they want. People don't change their sexualities based on what others want, and personally I find the notion that someone has to change because you want them to to be a little insulting.
I like the way Inquisition does it; everyone has representation. Everyone has two options (at least). I like that they have sexualities and don't compromise. That's not how real people work, and that's not how game characters should work.
Except if they have everyone's sexualities represented, everyone gets what they want. People don't change their sexualities based on what others want, and personally I find the notion that someone has to change because you want them to to be a little insulting.
I like the way Inquisition does it; everyone has representation. Everyone has two options (at least). I like that they have sexualities and don't compromise. That's not how real people work, and that's not how game characters should work.
I don't have squat in terms of representation in Inquisition. At best, I have dev-supported headcanon. So sorry, but you are wrong.
I don't have squat in terms of representation in Inquisition. At best, I have dev-supported headcanon. So sorry, but you are wrong.
Could you explain more about how you're not represented? Just so we can have a discussion on actual grounds rather than me trying to guess why you're not represented.
I'm 22 as well though
Holy **** 
Woow, that's really weird.
No there aren't. It's not even close, which is why you chose not to answer. You can't even think of three off the top of your head.
I'm not answering that because my argument isn't that there are a lot of games that do that, that's besides the point I'm making. My argument is that there are NOT many games where all the male characters exist solely to die. You haven't given any examples of that. I'm actually honestly curious which games you think they are? I can think of more games that feature female characters only for them to die, so the male hero can go on an adventure to avenge them...
There might be games that feature a lot of men dying, but they always feature men in other roles too (you usually play as one). There should definitely be more female enemies to kill in games anyway.
The males all have washboard abs and so on and they're not expected to be sexy?
They don't usually run around in nothing but a loincloth, making sexy poses. (They also usually don't fit the "standard" body type for male attractiveness - Obviously everyone finds different things attractive, but the common male equivalent for a naked lady with big boobs isn't a bodybuilder with massive muscles). Body language and expressions mean a lot too.
Any game which has it's male characters designed to be attractive to women, and has them run around in nothing, making "come hither" glances at the camera, is perfectly fine to do the same with it's female characters.
Most western games don't go that far with either sex, but the concept is the same for doing it a smaller amount.
I don't have squat in terms of representation in Inquisition. At best, I have dev-supported headcanon. So sorry, but you are wrong.
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