What a pitty, I don't like the gay romanc options that much, so I would have been very pleased to have Cullen or Solas as an additional romance option for male inquisitor...well, let's hope, they'll give us Harding at least. She's very cute and would be our first dwarf romance. I'd even create a lesbian character for her.
Still, I'm sad that Cullen isn't a bisexual option. *cries* :´-(
So because a romance isn't "exclusive" to your gender it isn't special enough? Having 4 options in DA2 was bad because women might have gotten their cooties all over them?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, did you just try to lecture me? I never said my gender is special. i never once complained about DA2 and definitely did not complain about women there.
I actually like the DAI option and have no problem that women got more option. There could be 0 options for men and I wouldn't care because romance is the least thing I gave a damn about.
I was just try to point out that OP whining about limiting option makes no sense because DA series has always been like that and I find it absurd that these threads weren't popping up when DAO/2 was made.
Still, I'm sad that Cullen isn't a bisexual option. *cries* :´-(
Yeah, I was super bummed when I found out that he was written as bisexual and the content got cut. Actually more bummed then even compared to the first time when he was revealed as straight. I had suspected (given that he is a KISA type - which we know the DA team tends to make straight - and the fact that he didn't show interest in a male Amell/Surana), so it wasn't a shock. But to find out just a few weeks ago, after seeing what a great character he is, that we were this close to getting a m/m KISA option? Damn, that stung.
But, again, it's probably all for the better. I'm sure we'll get a guy like Cullen in the future and he'll be amazing.
Harding? Yeah, I would love for her to show up in DA 4 as a bisexual un-gated romance option so that my lesbian dwarf PC can meet her soul mate!
Scout Harding makes my Scout Harden.
...I'll show myself out now.
This was so much better than yet another Deep Roads pun.
Harding? Yeah, I would love for her to show up in DA 4 as a bisexual un-gated romance option so that my lesbian dwarf PC can meet her soul mate!
hm, yes I think if they'll consider to make her part of the next game, it's very likely that she'll be a companion and romance option. After all, lots of people complained about the lack of dwarf romance options in previous games. Furthermore, it'd be very nice to see a non human female character who's romanceable. The majority of females always tend to be human. They should take this risk. (Still, I hope we'll get her as a romance option in 'this' game after a certain patch). It always feels like eternity till the next game comes out.
This was so much better than yet another Deep Roads pun.
Once when I was in the Deep Roads...
...Something Something...
Scout Harding, for two days.
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I feel bad for straight male characters who can only choose between two Andrastian human women (Cassandra and Josephine), whereas straight female characters can choose between four men; two human, one elf and one Qunari (Blackwall, Cullen, Solas and Iron Bull), giving them a greater selection of partners from different cultural backgrounds and beliefs (for characters who might not be into the Andrastian scene.) But otherwise? ... I don't know.
EDIT: Scout Harding rocks. If she could become a full romance option (instead of just "We'll talk about it after this is over" and it never comes), that would be awesome.
Gaider absolutely hated the DA2 romance system. He saw the all-bi thing as a compromise and hated that because "bisexuality is not a compromise". He made no attempt at hiding that if they could have had DA2 characters be straight, bi, and gay while ensuring choices were available he'd have done it.
I never heard about Gaider saying any of this during the numerous "playersexual" threads, not when DA2 was release nor during Inquisition's pre-release talk. I thought that the actual "playersexual" term came from Bioware. Maybe I just have the memory of a goldfish, but does anyone have a link where Gaider talks about this?
I haven't seen a single mention of Harding from the devs since release. Not sure what they think of her or the likelihood that she'll have an expanded role in the future (either via DLCs or future games).
I totally support Scout Harding as an LI. I have a friend never reads the forums and kept flirting with her, thinking she was an LI and asked me about it after the game. My friend is a doof.
I feel bad for straight male characters who can only choose between two Andrastian human women (Cassandra and Josephine), whereas straight female characters can choose between four men; two human, one elf and one Qunari (Blackwall, Cullen, Solas and Iron Bull), giving them a greater selection of partners from different cultural backgrounds and beliefs (for characters who might not be into the Andrastian scene.) But otherwise? ... I don't know.
Yeah, you're basically choosing between two Andrastian women who are very much into the Andrastian faith, and never really understand where you're coming from as a person from another culture (and potentially another religion). Cassandra asking my Lavellan if there was room for one more god, and her trying to nudge Solas towards the Andrastian faith, didn't really make me feel like she would work with my Dalish mage; I got the feeling she would prefer if Lavellan simply adopted the Andrastian faith, and her views were irreconcilable to my character's. Josephine's line about "moving in different circles" when my character addressed the cultural and religious views between Andrastian humans and the Dalish, and her staunchly pro-Andrastian dialogue, addressed the same cultural and religious schism, and really didn't set her apart from Cassandra at all.
The lack of diversity in providing two Andrastian love interests was unfortunate for those of us who would have preferred to have a non-Andrastian love interest.
EDIT: Scout Harding rocks. If she could become a full romance option (instead of just "We'll talk about it after this is over" and it never comes), that would be awesome.
A dwarven love interest is long overdue, and Harding was a cool character in her own right.
hm, yes I think if they'll consider to make her part of the next game, it's very likely that she'll be a companion and romance option. After all, lots of people complained about the lack of dwarf romance options in previous games. Furthermore, it'd be very nice to see a non human female character who's romanceable. The majority of females always tend to be human. They should take this risk. (Still, I hope we'll get her as a romance option in 'this' game after a certain patch). It always feels like eternity till the next game comes out.
Yeah, totally agree. I could easily see her as a companion in the next game. It's a way to include a character that we know from the Inquisition, without actually bringing back one of the companions or Inquisitor. She would just have to be an agent sent to represent the Inquisition. Then she could be a ranged rogue and bisexual (ungated) LI (since she can flirt with any Inquisitor).
The beauty is that we'd then get our returning character, another dwarf companion, our first dwarf romance, and a non-human romance for straight guys. All in one little bundle of murder!
Have you noticed that as a male inquisitor the romance options are limited, only 2 characters are male exclusive Dorian and Cassandra, the other two Iron Bull and Josephine can be romanced by the either sex.
And female inquisitors have more choice, Blackwall, Cullen, Solas, Sera are exclusive.
Of course this was noticed, the game has been out since November and the only ones who wouldn't have noticed are people who've deliberately skipped any news and haven't got the game.
Also Solas is race-gated to lady elves only, and Cullen is race-gated to lady humans and elves.
I just hope that in the future all romance options are 'player-sexual'. It really is the best compromise in my opinion since it allows everybody to be content and not miss out if some of the limited options aren't to their tastes.
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Yeah, you're basically choosing between two Andrastian women who are very much into the Andrastian faith, and never really understand where you're coming from as a person from another culture (and potentially another religion). Cassandra asking my Lavellan if there was room for one more god, and her trying to nudge Solas towards the Andrastian faith, didn't really make me feel like she would work with my Dalish mage; I got the feeling she would prefer if Lavellan simply adopted the Andrastian faith, and her views were irreconcilable to my character's. Josephine's line about "moving in different circles" when my character addressed the cultural and religious views between Andrastian humans and the Dalish, and her staunchly pro-Andrastian dialogue, addressed the same cultural and religious schism, and really didn't set her apart from Cassandra at all.
The lack of diversity in providing two Andrastian love interests was unfortunate for those of us who would have preferred to have a non-Andrastian love interest.
Cassandra tries to nudge Solas toward Andrasteism? Oh, good grief.
You're a dude who likes women and you're not that into Andrasteism? Too bad. You get the devout holy warrior or the devout court lady. That's it.
If women can have more diverse options, men deserve it too.
A dwarven love interest is long overdue, and Harding was a cool character in her own right.
Seriously. Between Sigrun's popularity, Varric's popularity, and now Harding's popularity, this block against dwarves is getting ridiculous.
Gaider's already stated that Cullen's cut bisexual content is staying cut. He stated that the reasons it was cut the first time (which I assume between his latest comments on it and the statement back at GaymerX that a bisexual romance was made straight because they couldn't get the content to work right for the story) are the same reasons it's remaining cut.
To be honest, as much as I would probably make Cullen my canon romance for my world state if it was possible, I'd rather them not incorporate it at this point. They decided against it once and I trust their gut on it.
I haven't seen a single mention of Harding from the devs since release. Not sure what they think of her or the likelihood that she'll have an expanded role in the future (either via DLCs or future games).
OP - ask yourself: "how many romance options did I have in Origins and DA2?"
It's the same or more than you've had previously, right? So how is that limited?
You're welcome. 
Cassandra tries to nudge Solas toward Andrasteism? Oh, good grief.
Not really. She asks him about what he believes in. He essentially says that he's a humanist. They discuss faith and the Maker. Cass says that Solas might derive some comfort from believing in the Maker, which prompts further discussion. I didn't see their discussions about faith as her trying to nudge him anywhere. She's a very devout person, yes. But she's discussing her own personal beliefs with someone who has expressed interest in them. Solas never says that his beliefs are incompatible with Andrastianism, or tells Cass to stop. In fact, he specifically says that he's always "open to new ideas".
As for her telling a Dalish Inquisitor that there might be room for "one more" if they talk about the Dalish gods, she's extending an olive branch to a person who she believes to be a very important religious figure, but who does not believe in her religion. It's also fairly early on in her friendship with the Inquisitor. I never saw that as overly pushy. I haven't done her romance, but I don't think she ever brings it up again. All of her talks about faith are, again, talking about her own personal beliefs.
Now, I can understand a pious Dalish not wanting to romance someone who believes they are an Andrastian religious icon. But I think that characterizing Cass as pushy about religion is doing her a disservice, and mischaracterizing her discussions with Solas.
You know maybe they should just roll a dice to deiced. that way no one can get mad because it was destiny *jazz hands*
Seriously also where does Josie try to push her beliefs on to you?
I suppose in DAO I had no choice but between two Andrastian men? Zev and Alistair both believed in the Maker.
It's not just the guys though is it? Make Harding romancable. Make Cullen Bisexual. Make every LI playersexual. Give us a gay KISA. Give us a wholly joyful straight romance. Give straight\gay\bi guys\gals another LI and make them like 'this'. And the list goes on (and on and on and on)!
Hearing our resident obsessives bleat endlessly about this shite is becoming super-tedious - WTF is wrong with you people?
My male dwarf is lonely. He wants to mount his mount, but the game won't let him do so proper. What about HIS needs?
Not really. She asks him about what he believes in. He essentially says that he's a humanist. They discuss faith and the Maker. Cass says that Solas might derive some comfort from believing in the Maker, which prompts further discussion. I didn't see their discussions about faith as her trying to nudge him anywhere. She's a very devout person, yes. But she's discussing her own personal beliefs with someone who has expressed interest in them. Solas never says that his beliefs are incompatible with Andrastianism, or tells Cass to stop. In fact, he specifically says that he's always "open to new ideas".
I'm a little perplexed as to how you disagree with what I said in your opening statement, and then confirm that Cassandra indeed tells Solas that he should follow the Andrastian faith in the next.
As for her telling a Dalish Inquisitor that there might be room for "one more" if they talk about the Dalish gods, she's extending an olive branch to a person who she believes to be a very important religious figure, but who does not believe in her religion. It's also fairly early on in her friendship with the Inquisitor. I never saw that as overly pushy. I haven't done her romance, but I don't think she ever brings it up again. All of her talks about faith are, again, talking about her own personal beliefs.
I suppose we have a difference perspective on the conversation, because I don't see Cassandra asking Lavellan if there's room for one more god among the pantheon he follows as an "olive branch"; respecting that Lavellan follows his own gods, and not suggesting that he should also follow her god, would be my idea of an "olive branch".
Now, I can understand a pious Dalish not wanting to romance someone who believes they are an Andrastian religious icon. But I think that characterizing Cass as pushy about religion is doing her a disservice, and mischaracterizing her discussions with Solas.
You and I will have to agree to disagree, then.
I'm a little perplexed as to how you disagree with what I said in your opening statement, and then confirm that Cassandra indeed tells Solas that he should follow the Andrastian faith in the next.
Saying "believing in the Maker might give you comfort (as it does for me)" to a person who has expressed an interest in her faith is not telling him that he "should" follow anything. She isn't aiming to convert him, but simply sharing the ways in which her faith has helped her. And he appreciates this. It's not the same thing at all. Should she just never talk about her faith, even when asked, lest she look pushy?
I suppose we have a difference perspective on the conversation, because I don't see Cassandra asking Lavellan if there's room for one more god among the pantheon he follows as an "olive branch"; respecting that Lavellan follows his own gods, and not suggesting that he should also follow her god, would be my idea of an "olive branch".
I can see where you're coming from, and it was probably a little tone-deaf on Cass's part given the history between the Dalish and Andrastians. But I think she was trying to be respectful, and was simply attempting to find some sort of common ground between the two of you i.e. both being people of faith. I saw it as a "we are not so different" kind of thing.
Seriously also where does Josie try to push her beliefs on to you?
You do realize I actually said that I see the same cultural and religious rift with Josephine?
I suppose in DAO I had no choice but between two Andrastian men? Zev and Alistair both believed in the Maker.
Alistair and Zevran certainly follow the Andrastian faith, but I don't recall Zevran suggesting that Mahariel should follow the Maker like Cassandra does with Lavellan and Solas.
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