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[Fiery Phoenix]

A characters likeability doesn't really nor should it play a factor in people liking a romance option

I have no idea where you're getting this perspective from. It's factually, fundamentally flawed.

[ejoslin]

At least it should not be compared with a companion romance, make it an extra and I am ok with that. 
 

 

 

 

No, they do not have the same amount of companions to romance. Straight and lesbian PCs have only one companion to romance with full party banter included. Lesbians PCs also have Sera a rebellious young adult that has more problematic **** that any other romance I ever experience, Jacob comes really close or is on the same level. 

 

So your issue is not the number of people there are to romance, but their role?  I haven't done Josephine's romance, but Cullen's certainly fit in as well as the other romances -- I think maybe better than at least one of the others'.  It's not like there's tons of banter going on there regarding the romance whether you're romancing a companion or an advisor.  It's not like you can talk to them while out-and-about, after all.  

 

Maybe there's more banters about the romances if you're doing Cassie or Sera.  i don't know.  

[I present Chuck Bass]

Except that the writers have been clear that they are not concerned about real world statistics when it comes to writing these romance stories.  They have been up front that they are actively looking to write stories for women and/or LGBT players.  That's what they want to do.  What you want is to tell the writers that they shouldn't have freedom to write the stories that they want in order to write more stories for you.

I agree with you, if you paid closer attention to what I said you would have noticed I am more for them doing whatever they want to do. And yes Ik they have said this in the past, and it might be true, but there is also a lot of public and fan base pressure for them to include those particular romances. Whether that's what they want to do or what they feel obliged to do, who knows. As a writer myself, you succumb to public pressure all the time...if the writers didn't want to include gay or lesbian romances in future installments they might feel reluctant to act on that notion,because It wouldn't sit well with a solid chunk of the fan base.

[Mihura]

That's actually irrelevant to my point.

 

You said there were more straight people in Thedas, there also more women. All the DA games have more men than women in the party.

 

 

So your issue is not the number of people there are to romance, but their role?  I haven't done Josephine's romance, but Cullen's certainly fit in as well as the other romances -- I think maybe better than at least one of the others'.  It's not like there's tons of banter going on there regarding the romance whether you're romancing a companion or an advisor.  It's not like you can talk to them while out-and-about, after all.  

 

Maybe there's more banters about the romances if you're doing Cassie or Sera.  i don't know.  

 

 

There is specific banter, that you Inq can even respond too. There is none of that with Josephine, maybe Dorian is the only one that says something but it is on Skyhold.

[KaiserShep]

Huh, I thought Cullen's romance was pretty well done. It certainly seems more substantial than the non-follower romances that BioWare provided in the past (Cortez and Traynor). The problem with Josephine's romance isn't that she isn't a follower like Cassandra and the rest, but rather that the romance itself can feel a tad schmaltzy, and has a bit of a rigmarole attached with the whole House of Repose thing. I utterly hate her approach to dealing with their stupid contract lol

[jlb524]

I think you misinterpreted my post, which is due to how I wrote it so I apologize

My point is that even if people call Sera the most hated companion (even though that's debatable with Vivienne to the fanbase) that doesn't stop her fanbase from liking the character and the romance as much as the people who likes Cassandra and her romance.

Most of the people complaining about them are people who just didn't get what they want, which is why I find the argument of "this group got the short end of the stick" to be just plain silly

Vivienne is the most hated, sure.

And the people who like Sera will like her in spite of what others think, indeed. I'm one of those people.

I just don't get what that has to do with the original point, looking at average opinion in the fan base, that Sera is more difficult to like than most other companions (especially someone like Cassandra) and how that affects people "in general" who are looking for an f/f romance.

If Vivienne was the f/m option instead of Cassandra (and Viv gets more hate than Sera) you could say the opposite of Panda's original point, they got to pick from the more unlikeable companion.

Unless you are claiming people hate on/complain about Sera as an option because she's not exactly what they wanted (I.e. Cassandra).... well, idk that's hard to say for sure. That could be a reason for some I guess.

[AresKeith]

I have no idea where you're getting this perspective from. It's factually, fundamentally flawed.

 

The way I wrote it was wrong when I was on my phone

 

What I meant was how a character is received as "most liked or most hated" doesn't stop other people in their fanbase from liking them nor should be make people go "this group got the short end of the stick"

[daveliam]

I agree with you, if you paid closer attention to what I said you would have noticed I am more for them doing whatever they want to do. And yes Ik they have said this in the past, and it might be true, but there is also a lot of public and fan base pressure for them to include those particular romances. Whether that's what they want to do or what they feel obliged to do, who knows. As a writer myself, you succumb to public pressure all the time...if the writers didn't want to include gay or lesbian romances in future installments they might feel reluctant to act on that notion,because It wouldn't sit well with a solid chunk of the fan base.

 

It's what they want to do.  They've said so in their interviews.  I've seen multiple interviews where they discuss it.  They want to include content for women and/or LGBT players.  That's where your argument falls flat.  The number of straight male customers isn't a driving factor here.  I'm sure that it plays a role since it's part of the customer base, but it doesn't override their desire to create romances for women and/or LGBT customers. 

[AresKeith]

Huh, I thought Cullen's romance was pretty well done. It certainly seems more substantial than the non-follower romances that BioWare provided in the past (Cortez and Traynor). The problem with Josephine's romance isn't that she isn't a follower like Cassandra and the rest, but rather that the romance itself can feel a tad schmaltzy, and has a bit of a rigmarole attached with the whole House of Repose thing. I utterly hate her approach to dealing with their stupid contract lol

 

But it does add to her character about how she likes to avoid violence a lot, even though I agree with Leliana on that lol

[KaiserShep]

It would certainly have been interesting to see what Vivienne's romance would be like. It would've been funny if she would only agree to be with the Inquisitor if your Influence was at rank 12 or greater.

[I present Chuck Bass]

You said there were more straight people in Thedas, there also more women. All the DA games have more men than women in the party.

Cole is a spirt. So companion wise there is 5 men and 3 women. Of the four advisors there is three women and one man. So of the significant roles in the game there is 6 men and 6 women.
So no your point is irrelevant.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's what they want to do.  They've said so in their interviews.  I've seen multiple interviews where they discuss it.  They want to include content for women and/or LGBT players.  That's where your argument falls flat.  The number of straight male customers isn't a driving factor here.  I'm sure that it plays a role since it's part of the customer base, but it doesn't override their desire to create romances for women and/or LGBT customers. 

Well, some LGBT players. Gaider said somewhere that for asexuals for example he only plans on having the option to not have to have the sex scene rather than make a full asexual romance. 

[ThreeF]

I utterly hate her approach to dealing with their stupid contract lol

Spoiler

You get to sleep with an older woman in it!

 

I found the whole conversation about it hilarious, especially since the IQ animation is so manly and pompous and the woman finish it off with "bring candles and pillows" I'm still giggling when I think about it.

[I present Chuck Bass]

It's what they want to do.  They've said so in their interviews.  I've seen multiple interviews where they discuss it.  They want to include content for women and/or LGBT players.  That's where your argument falls flat.  The number of straight male customers isn't a driving factor here.  I'm sure that it plays a role since it's part of the customer base, but it doesn't override their desire to create romances for women and/or LGBT customers.

C'mon, what one says can be completely different from one's intentions. You simply have no clue on what the writers want to do unless you know them on a personal level.

[Mihura]

Cole is a spirt. So companion wise there is 5 men and 3 women. Of the four advisors there is three women and one man. So of the significant roles in the game there is 6 men and 6 women.
So no your point is irrelevant.

 

LOL.

Still think that the ones that got screw with the romances were the lesbians PCs but hey whatever.

[KaiserShep]

I've come to the conclusion that everyone got screwed.

[AresKeith]

I've come to the conclusion that everyone got screwed.

 

 

equality

[ThreeF]

I've come to the conclusion that everyone got screwed.

in every pt and more than once

[I present Chuck Bass]

LOL.
Still think that the ones that got screw with the romances were the lesbians PCs but hey whatever.

I don't think anyone got screwed, I just simply understand where some people are coming from .

[daveliam]

Well, some LGBT players. Gaider said somewhere that for asexuals for example he only plans on having the option to not have to have the sex scene rather than make a full asexual romance. 

 

Well, I guess, if you include asexuals within the LGBT community, that would be true.  Do most asexual people consider themselves to be LGBT?

 

C'mon, what one says can be completely different from one's intentions. You simply have no clue on what the writers want to do unless you know them on a personal level.

 

So your entire point rests on supposition that the, despite what they say, the writers are being pressured into writing more romances for straight women and LGBT players?  Okay then.

[AresKeith]

in every pt and more than once

 

in every place besides the bedroom

[KaiserShep]

in every pt and more than once

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, I guess, if you include asexuals within the LGBT community, that would be true.  Do most asexual people consider themselves to be LGBT?

From a documentary I watched about it, they certainly do. They go to parades and everything. They take a lot of flak from the LGBT community as well. 

[daveliam]

From a documentary I watched about it, they certainly do. They go to parades and everything. They take a lot of flak from the LGBT community as well. 

 

Well, to be fair, a lot of straight people go to the parades too.  Doesn't mean that they are LGBT.  Would a straight asexual person consider themselves LGBT?  That seems counterintuitive to me.  But I'll take your word on it.

[Mihura]

Well, I guess, if you include asexuals within the LGBT community, that would be true.  Do most asexual people consider themselves to be LGBT?

 

 

So your entire point rests on supposition that the, despite what they say, the writers are being pressured into writing more romances for straight women and LGBT players?  Okay then.

 

I really do not think it ends at the T.

Hey more power to the people, at least some did enjoy Sera. Still disliked her romance profoundly, especially with an elven Inq.