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[Steelcan]

I really do not think it ends at the T.
 

the more letters you add after the T the less seriously you will be taken, just an observation I've had

[KaiserShep]

the more letters you add after the T the less seriously you will be taken, just an observation I've had

 

I think the problem is that it doesn't form an acronym. These letters are hard to keep track of unless it can be pronounced as a word itself.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Well, I guess, if you include asexuals within the LGBT community, that would be true.  Do most asexual people consider themselves to be LGBT?
 

 
So your entire point rests on supposition that the, despite what they say, the writers are being pressured into writing more romances for straight women and LGBT players?  Okay then.

no you are failing to see the bigger picture, because you are so focused on that one point. See Dave, if DA4 were to come out and all the romances were straight male and female romances, there would be a large uproar on the forums, and likely the game wouldn't go over to well. Agree? Now if this happens, what do you think happens to the writers. Do they keep their jobs or does EA put the crackdown on them? The answer is obvious the writers would be fired ... This isn't speculation it's common sense. Most likely you are right and the writers truly want to do these romances. However, you can't ignore the realistic possibility that they are simply writing the romances they are to keep everyone happy, to keep everyone buying the games... And in the process keeping their jobs. You are simply being dense if you ignore that possibility.. As it happens all the time in this type of industry. What they are saying in the interviews again is probably true, but lying in interviews to keep up good PR isn't unheard of. Point being, you are absolutely insane if you believe the writers who create the romances and characters are exercising their free will. Granted their desire to create these type of romances might coincide with what at this point is expected of them, however it's more of appealing to as much of the fan base as possible at this point.

[FiveThreeTen]

None of the romances really work for me in this game (or I have trouble coming up with characters who would take those options), but romances are not why I play Dragon Age games (or Bioware games in general).

 

I liked all the options in Origins, two in DA2 (Isabela, Fenris). I think the options were pretty diverse in the previous games, and they still are in Inquistion, so it's really a matter of taste.

[Mihura]

the more letters you add after the T the less seriously you will be taken, just an observation I've had

 

Normally it is LGBT+, unless they want to be exclusive which makes them hypocrites but ya I get what you are saying.

[Sylvianus]

None of the romances really work for me in this game (or I have trouble coming up with characters who would take those options), but romances are not why I play Dragon Age games (or Bioware games in general).

 

I liked all the options in Origins, two in DA2 (Isabela, Fenris). I think the options were pretty diverse in the previous games, and they still are in Inquistion, so it's really a matter of taste.

 

They are not between Cassandra and Josephine. It's just a matter of style, otherwise, that's the same very romantic arc, where the inquisitor has to play the nice, very poetic man, with basically the same theme. 

 

Between Isabela and Merril, and Morrigan and Leliana, I could pretty tell that it was different, not in inquisition.

[Basement Cat]

They are not between Cassandra and Josephine. It's just a matter of style, otherwise, that's the same very romantic arc, where the inquisitor has to play the nice, very poetic man, with basically the same theme. 

 

Between isabela and Merril, and Morrigan and Leliana, I could pretty tell that it was different, not in inquisition.

Ah, it's the first time I heard this one, and I can see where you're coming from. Both Cassandra and Josephine are 'good girls' who lean on the fluffy romantic side as opposed to 'bad girls' Morrigan and Isabela.

 

That's a valid point.

[daveliam]

no you are failing to see the bigger picture, because you are so focused on that one point. See Dave, if DA4 were to come out and all the romances were straight male and female romances, there would be a large uproar on the forums, and likely the game wouldn't go over to well. Agree? Now if this happens, what do you think happens to the writers. Do they keep their jobs or does EA put the crackdown on them? The answer is obvious the writers would be fired ... This isn't speculation it's common sense. Most likely you are right and the writers truly want to do these romances. However, you can't ignore the realistic possibility that they are simply writing the romances they are to keep everyone happy, to keep everyone buying the games... And in the process keeping their jobs. You are simply being dense if you ignore that possibility.. As it happens all the time in this type of industry. What they are saying in the interviews again is probably true, but lying in interviews to keep up good PR isn't unheard of. Point being, you are absolutely insane if you believe the writers who create the romances and characters are exercising their free will. Granted their desire to create these type of romances might coincide with what at this point is expected of them, however it's more of appealing to as much of the fan base as possible at this point.

 

SWTOR.  There were zero straight romances in the game at release and after two expansions.  In fact, 4-5 years later, there are now only two s/s romances and those are only NPC flings.  And, guess what, no one lost their jobs.  EA supported the writer's decision.  I think you are stretching here and I'm not sure what your point is, exactly. 

 

Do you think that straight guys got less options because the writers included Dorian and Sera?  That seems a stretch given that Gaider was explicit that Dorian was a character that he'd been wanting to write for years now.  He was included because the writer really wanted to create him.  I'm not so sure about Sera.  It seems to me that you are just looking for ways to place the blame for the "low number" (i.e. same number as always) of romances for straight guys and, instead of blaming the writers for choosing this, you want to blame other people.  Not sure why, but that's what I'm seeing.

[FiveThreeTen]

They are not between Cassandra and Josephine. It's just a matter of style, otherwise, that's the same very romantic arc, where the inquisitor has to play the nice, very poetic man, with basically the same theme. 

 

Between isabela and Merril, and Morrigan and Leliana, I could pretty tell that it was different, not in inquisition.

Well, I'm not a straight male but, I can agree that (for me) straight male and lesbian options are not really as diverse as the other. But that's because I find Jospehine utterly boring (as a romance mind you, otherwise I quite like her character).

Another huge problem with Josephine romance is that it plays out the same regardless of your race/gender and between Josephine and Cassandra, it can come off as "obligatory courtly love".

 

 

But I rest my point that overall, the options are diverse. Doesn't matter if they are not to my taste.

[Mihura]

They are not between Cassandra and Josephine. It's just a matter of style, otherwise, that's the same very romantic arc, where the inquisitor has to play the nice, very poetic man, with basically the same theme. 

 

Between Isabela and Merril, and Morrigan and Leliana, I could pretty tell that it was different, not in inquisition.

 

Hum it is true, I never saw it that way.

In my opinion Vivienne could had been a really nice bi companion LI, males and females PCs would get IB and females and males PCs would have Vivienne. Still think it was a wasted opportunity.

[AresKeith]

Well, I'm not a straight male but, I can agree that (for me) straight male and lesbian options are not really as diverse as the other. But that's because I find Jospehine utterly boring (as a romance mind you, otherwise I quite like her character).

 

Another huge problem with Josephine romance is that it plays out the same regardless of your race/gender.

 

Eh, I'd say they're pretty diverse. Sera's the young impulsive girl and Josephine is the "good girl", straight males however did get both the "good girl' romances

 

Though that doesn't really bother me at all 

[daveliam]

They are not between Cassandra and Josephine. It's just a matter of style, otherwise, that's the same very romantic arc, where the inquisitor has to play the nice, very poetic man, with basically the same theme. 

 

Between Isabela and Merril, and Morrigan and Leliana, I could pretty tell that it was different, not in inquisition.

 

I agree with this point.  I'd also say that, if you look at those six ladies, it's the least diverse group.  Five out of six are humans.  Five out of six have black hair.  I think that straight guys are the most in need of diversity in their options, for sure.  Give them more non-humans.  Give them more blondes and redheads. 

[I present Chuck Bass]

SWTOR. There were zero straight romances in the game at release and after two expansions. In fact, 4-5 years later, there are now only two s/s romances and those are only NPC flings. And, guess what, no one lost their jobs. EA supported the writer's decision. I think you are stretching here and I'm not sure what your point is, exactly.

Do you think that straight guys got less options because the writers included Dorian and Sera? That seems a stretch given that Gaider was explicit that Dorian was a character that he'd been wanting to write for years now. He was included because the writer really wanted to create him. I'm not so sure about Sera. It seems to me that you are just looking for ways to place the blame for the "low number" (i.e. same number as always) of romances for straight guys and, instead of blaming the writers for choosing this, you want to blame other people. Not sure why, but that's what I'm seeing.

Fair point.

And not once have I blamed the writers for anything? I played as a bachelor dwarf, a straight human male, and my latest playthrough as a homosexual human male. I could care less about the lack of options for straight male inquisitors, lesbian, etc. My point was, and always was... That I can see where some who complain about it are coming from, and second that the writers do what is expected of them. I stand by that point as well.

The only character who was forced into the game, IMO, was Krem. He is the worst developed character across all three games.

[jlb524]

Well, I'm not a straight male but, I can agree that (for me) straight male and lesbian options are not really as diverse as the other. But that's because I find Jospehine utterly boring (as a romance mind you, otherwise I quite like her character).

Another huge problem with Josephine romance is that it plays out the same regardless of your race/gender.

I think the lesbian options are diverse. Sera ain't nothing like Josephine in romance. That is a point for lesbians at least.

They aren't as diverse as what straight elf females get since they have four options, ofc but it's the same as DA2 (Merrill vs. Isabela).

I only saw Cassandra/Josephine romances on YouTube, but to me I thought they did have a similar "romcom" kind of feel.

[KaiserShep]

The only character who was forced into the game, IMO, was Krem.

 

I actually like Krem, but this is an impression I felt after hearing some of the dialogue regarding him as well, particularly what Bull says. I avoid talking to Bull about it entirely. It works out a lot better that way.

[I present Chuck Bass]

I actually like Krem, but this is an impression I felt after hearing some of the dialogue regarding him as well, particularly what Bull says. I avoid talking to Bull about it entirely. It works out a lot better that way.

Agreed, I don't dislike the fella. Just thought it felt forced, and that as a character he was very cliche.

[AresKeith]

I agree with this point.  I'd also say that, if you look at those six ladies, it's the least diverse group.  Five out of six are humans.  Five out of six have black hair.  I think that straight guys are the most in need of diversity in their options, for sure.  Give them more non-humans.  Give them more blondes and redheads. 

 

I guess, but I personally never got hung up on races and character archtypes

 

As long as my romance options are well done romances (which I think they were imo), I couldn't give a damn what they were lol

[ThreeF]

They are not between Cassandra and Josephine. It's just a matter of style, otherwise, that's the same very romantic arc, where the inquisitor has to play the nice, very poetic man, with basically the same theme. 

 

Between Isabela and Merril, and Morrigan and Leliana, I could pretty tell that it was different, not in inquisition.

 

They are diverse in their approach, as in every romance is uniquely fit the character.

 

In DAO I more or less felt that the actors are different but the act is the same, maybe it  had to do with the fact that everything was said and done in one spot and that the animation was recycled.

 

But yes Cassandra and Josephine are somewhat similar, in that none of them are "bad girl" ™ one is nerdy and the other a romantic, (I actually like how different is their understanding of romance).

 

On the other hand it's the first time straight males get something like this, so this is also something different across the games.

[AresKeith]

They are diverse in their approach, as in every romance is uniquely fit the character.

 

In DAO I more or less felt that the actors are different but the act is the same, maybe it  had to do with the fact that everything was said and done in one spot and that the animation was recycled.

 

But yes Cassandra and Josephine are somewhat similar, in that none of them are "bad girl" ™ one is nerdy and the other a romantic, (I actually like how different is their understanding of romance).

 

On the other hand it's the first time straight males get something like this, so this is also something different across the games.

 

So in a way people still got diverse romances lol 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

if DA4 were to come out and all the romances were straight male and female romances, there would be a large uproar on the forums, and likely the game wouldn't go over to well. Agree? Now if this happens, what do you think happens to the writers. Do they keep their jobs or does EA put the crackdown on them? The answer is obvious the writers would be fired ... This isn't speculation it's common sense.

 

That's not common sense. In fact, it's extremely unlikely, since that was not the case with KOTOR, or even the recent SW: The Old Republic. EA Produces a tonne of games that do not feature lesbian or gay romances, and unless it were to affect their profits, it's not likely to be a motivating factor for them.

 

If BioWare is including those stories, it's because the writers want to include them. They are criticized for a great many things in the forums, but people don't get fired over them.

[FiveThreeTen]

Eh, I'd say they're pretty diverse. Sera's the young impulsive girl and Josephine is the "good girl", straight males however did get both the "good girl' romances

 

Though that doesn't really bother me at all 

As I said, for me. I don't negate that Sera and Josephine are contrasting options. But I think Josephine romance really suffers from being a copy/paste regardless of your race/gender. So ultimately, for me (I repeat), straight male option more or less equate Cassandra. And lesbian options more or less equate Sera.

 

But overall the cast is diverse.

I think the lesbian options are diverse. Sera ain't nothing like Josephine in romance. That is a point for lesbians at least.

They aren't as diverse as what straight elf females get since they have four options, ofc but it's the same as DA2 (Merrill vs. Isabela).

I only saw Cassandra/Josephine romances on YouTube, but to me I thought they did have a similar "romcom" kind of feel.

 

Yeah (bad) "romcom" rather fits well ^^

[I present Chuck Bass]

That's not common sense. In fact, it's extremely unlikely, since that was not the case with KOTOR, or even the recent SW: The Old Republic. EA Produces a tonne of games that do not feature lesbian or gay romances, and unless it were to affect their profits, it's not likely to be a motivating factor for them.
 
If BioWare is including those stories, it's because the writers want to include them. They are criticized for a great many things in the forums, but people don't get fired over them.

Dragon age at this point is expected to have these type of romances, so I think it's a tad different from those said games. I just simply disagree.

If DA4 were to come out with no gay or lesbian romances, I believe it would hurt the profits and rub the the dragon age fan base the wrong way. It's just my opinion though.

[Fireheart]

From a documentary I watched about it, they certainly do. They go to parades and everything. They take a lot of flak from the LGBT community as well. 

Really? I consider myself asexual and I don't count myself in the LGBT community. Doesn't that stand for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender? I don't see an A in that acronym.

[ThreeF]

I agree with this point.  I'd also say that, if you look at those six ladies, it's the least diverse group.  Five out of six are humans.  Five out of six have black hair.  I think that straight guys are the most in need of diversity in their options, for sure.  Give them more non-humans.  Give them more blondes and redheads. 

 

I really don't think that the writers are approaching the romance writing in DA this way, romance are written with a specific already existing character in mind not the other way around and this is the correct way to do this.

 

As for non-humans.... there is a problem with this for many people as far as physical appeal goes.

[Panda]

Really? I consider myself asexual and I don't count myself in the LGBT community. Doesn't that stand for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender? I don't see an A in that acronym.

 

I have seen LGBTA and LGBT+ around more than just LGBT at least, mostly in tumblr though. Just a observation, I'm not too familiar with these. It's just that LGBT itself ignores pansexuals as well so the 4 acronyms might not be enough for everyone who wants to be part of the group.