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[Mihura]

I think Bioware's writers just hate the WiseBeyondTheirYears trope. We've seen it in Alistair, Merrill and now Sera. I suppose their trying to show a realistic representation of twenty-somethings. It's not exactly flattering. 

 

Hum, I really doubt Sera would change that much, she is a young Oghren.

The best teen representation on video games, to me was The Last if Us/DLC. Been a young adult or a teen does not automatic make you an extrovert with a certain type of drama, some young people can be a lot more mature than some adults.

I actually would expect Sera to be WiseBeyondTheirYears because of her background.

[Panda]

and I want a blonde warrior woman

 

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would work as a model to base her on

 

Oh, Saber, good taste!

 

Personally I find Cass quite similar to her personality-wise which is why I like both of them, they are badass

[AresKeith]

Hum, I really doubt Sera would change that much, she is a young Oghren.

The best teen representation on video games, to me was The Last if Us/DLC. Been a young adult or a teen does not automatic make you an extrovert with a certain type of drama, some young people can be a lot more mature than some adults.

I actually would expect Sera to be WiseBeyondTheirYears because of her background.

 

Her character bio literally said she's bratty

[ThreeF]

 WiseBeyondTheirYears would be a really boring cliche, her role as the Fool is really fitting.

[Mihura]

Her character bio literally said she's bratty

 

I guess that really is the best word for her but which one are you referring to?

[daveliam]

I guess that really is the best word for her but which one are you referring to?

The leaked development character survey descriptions:

 

"Sera- Sera is young, frenetic, and a brat through and through. She revels in the athleticism of being an elf, of being different. But her culture isn't elven, or for that matter strictly human. It's the underbelly of the city in her network of rogues; what you do it more important than where you're from, and friends open more doors than titles. Robs from the rich to keep for herself."

[ComedicSociopathy]

Hum, I really doubt Sera would change that much, she is a young Oghren.

The best teen representation on video games, to me was The Last if Us/DLC. Been a young adult or a teen does not automatic make you an extrovert with a certain type of drama, some young people can be a lot more mature than some adults.

I actually would expect Sera to be WiseBeyondTheirYears because of her background.

 

From my knowledge Sera doesn't repeatably try to molest the female members of the party like Oghren does, so that's a major point of difference in my book.

 

Never played The Last of Us, but yeah your right, we do see the impulsive youth a bit to much in fiction and it would be cool to see something different.  

[Mihura]

The leaked development character survey descriptions:

 

"Sera- Sera is young, frenetic, and a brat through and through. She revels in the athleticism of being an elf, of being different. But her culture isn't elven, or for that matter strictly human. It's the underbelly of the city in her network of rogues; what you do it more important than where you're from, and friends open more doors than titles. Robs from the rich to keep for herself."

 

I wish I saw that before playing, sigh.

The one I saw was on the official site and blog. It was more about Sera being honest, impulsive and living in the moment, with a side of calling people out on their high horse and helping the suckers in the middle. It sounded a lot more level headed than the survey.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I wish I saw that before playing, sigh.

The one I saw was on the official site and blog. It was more about Sera being honest, impulsive and living in the moment, with a side of calling people out on their high horse and helping the suckers in the middle. It sounded a lot more level headed than the survey.

 

She does still do all those things, it just so happens that she talks and acts like a trolling English punk while she does them. 

[Sylvianus]

They are diverse in their approach, as in every romance is uniquely fit the character.

 

In DAO I more or less felt that the actors are different but the act is the same, maybe it  had to do with the fact that everything was said and done in one spot and that the animation was recycled.

 

But yes Cassandra and Josephine are somewhat similar, in that none of them are "bad girl" ™ one is nerdy and the other a romantic, (I actually like how different is their understanding of romance).

 

On the other hand it's the first time straight males get something like this, so this is also something different across the games.

 

You could have something new with always the same archetype in any game, that's still infortunate when you get basically the same theme or thing, regardless of the tastes.

 

You could have two crazy Anders or two grumpy Fenris, with something different and totally new between those romances, never seen in the previous games for example. I'd bet that most straight girls would cry if Bioware would give them something " totally new " with only heartbreak romances... " and no sweet romance option at all in the next game,lol. 

 

It's always better when you have different things with the archetypes, and romance themes in your options. That's what I call true diversity. Because anyway you never have really the same thing between each game. 

 

Hum it is true, I never saw it that way.

In my opinion Vivienne could had been a really nice bi companion LI, males and females PCs would get IB and females and males PCs would have Vivienne. Still think it was a wasted opportunity.

 

Oh Vivienne, I flirted many many times with her in the game, until the end. XD 

 

A wasted opportunity, indeed. That's what I told myself many times during the game. Maybe she'll have something ( possibility to be with her ) like Vega and Javik in a citadel dlc, now that her boyfriend is dead. 

[ThreeF]

You could have something new with any archetype in any game, that's still infortunate when you get basically the same theme or thing, regardless of the tastes. you could have two crazy Anders or two grumpy Fenris, with something different and totally new between those romances, never seen in the previous games for example. I'd bet that most straight girls would cry if Bioware would give them something " new " with only heartbreak romance ... " and no sweet romance option at all in the next game,lol. 

 

You mean to say that until now straight girls don't get about the same thing? It's broken guy over and over again, game in game out,  with slight variation in the amount of tragedy involved.

 

And I really don't see that much difference between Fenris and Anders so YMMV

[Panda]

What I would want to see more for straight female PC's are fun romances. I'd say that Zevran has been only one so far to fit in that. I can take angsty as well but sweet one's, those aren't really for me. Well not that big problem since I can play different sexuality and gender though, but just something that would be nice to see.

 

EDIT: And missed Iron Bull, I guess he fits in that as well.

[Sylvianus]

You mean to say that until now straight girls don't get about the same thing? It's broken guy over and over again, game in game out,  with slight variation in the amount of tragedy involved.

 

And I really don't see that much difference between Fenris and Anders so YMMV

 

Precisely. that's what I am saying, it's a bit infortunate when it happens that way. A lot of  straight women complained that they had the same archetype with Fenris and Anders, or basically the same grumpy romances and yet it was different between those romances, never happened before. Having something " never seen in the previous games or totally new " is hardly what could change the point about diversity in each game for romance options. Diversity is important. 

 

And they were right to complain, like Bioware aknowledged, they should have had at least one sweet romance option, something different from Fenris or Anders. Not everyone has the same tastes, not everyone wants the same thing, not everyone is able to appreciate the same theme. You have better chances to please more people with different things.  

 

And  I was just telling as example  that I was pretty sure, that if Bioware in the next game give to straight girls only heartbreak romances with zero sweet romances, but with something " new " and " never seen before ", that wouldn't prevent them to complain about the lack of diversity in their romance options. ( and any demographic to be honest ) 

[KaiserShep]

What I would want to see more for straight female PC's are fun romances. I'd say that Zevran has been only one so far to fit in that. I can take angsty as well but sweet one's, those aren't really for me. Well not that big problem since I can play different sexuality and gender though, but just something that would be nice to see.

 

EDIT: And missed Iron Bull, I guess he fits in that as well.

 

Iron Bull lacks that more "dashing rogue" appeal that Zevran would, though. I suppose his romance could be considered the "fun" one among male LI's, but I dunno. It just seems kind of off, like it's more of a laugh, made even more apparent with the whole comedy scene of people walking in on him and the Inquisitor.

[ejoslin]

Iron Bull lacks that more "dashing rogue" appeal that Zevran would, though. I suppose his romance could be considered the "fun" one among male LI's, but I dunno. It just seems kind of off, like it's more of a laugh, made even more apparent with the whole comedy scene of people walking in on him and the Inquisitor.

 

Actually, I thought the scene of everyone walking in and being embarrassed was funny but incredibly sweet.  I really liked Iron Bull's romance for the same reason I liked Zevran's -- as a couple, the inq and IB seem to genuinely like each other as well as love each other and they laugh together.  They seem to be friends first who fell in love.

[Panda]

Iron Bull lacks that more "dashing rogue" appeal that Zevran would, though. I suppose his romance could be considered the "fun" one among male LI's, but I dunno. It just seems kind of off, like it's more of a laugh, made even more apparent with the whole comedy scene of people walking in on him and the Inquisitor.

 

Yep, I guess they are bit different. I like Zevran's romance a lot but I'm not as intrested about Iron Bull's. They both still are fun type though ^^

[ThreeF]

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Even now the "sweet" romance isn't all that sweet and nowhere as "sweet" as the one males got. Mind you I'm not complaining, I'm fine with drama and no drama as long as I like how the character and the romance are written.

 

People will complain regardless, because there will be always a portion that won't have their preference met. It sucks when it happens, but BW main priority is to write characters that fit the story first and then see how they can be romanced. The bad girl (sort of) ended up being a lesbian this time around. You may say that there is no reason to portrait Josephine so prudent, but it fits  her character and her character fits the story. There is no character that is in the story for the sole purpose to be romanced. So every time someone is the unlucky one who doesn't get what they want, so? Gay guys are still waiting for their knight in shiny armour and there is no dwarf romance yet, compared to this, one game without a straight bad girl is nothing.

 

It's kind of interesting though that the most mild on angst romances are the bi ones (Zevran and IB) DA2 don't count because everyone is player-sexual.

 

 

Iron Bull lacks that more "dashing rogue" appeal that Zevran would, though. I suppose his romance could be considered the "fun" one among male LI's, but I dunno. It just seems kind of off, like it's more of a laugh, made even more apparent with the whole comedy scene of people walking in on him and the Inquisitor.

 

Sort of. However you end up dealing with a guy who has an identity crisis (plus if you take Qun's offer there is lots of potential implied drama there) and, as someone else pointed out, taken out of the context the guy can be viewed as a douche.

[JohnstonMR]

I wouldn't either. Her mind works on a special kind of logic, but she does make sense once you know where she's coming from.

Her logic is not like our Earth logic.

[ejoslin]

It never really occurred to me that both Josie's and Cassandra's romances would fall along the same paths -- I can see why that would get annoying.  I was first taking this post as, "It's unfair that straight women get so many more choices" but when it's put in the way that you're basically getting the same type of romance no matter who you choose, I get why that would be bothersome.  Morrigan and Isabela definitely appealed to a lot of people, men and women, who wanted a character who didn't need to be wooed and pampered.

[Sylvianus]

 

People will complain regardless, because there will be always a portion that won't have their preference met. , 

 

Yes, there will be always a portion that will complain. And that's why you have better chances to please more people doing different things in each game. Better chances than doing basically the same thing that could  probably have better chances to only appeal to the same folks. 

 

Different archetypes that appeal to different people for example in every game, is a good thing to do for example. I am personally always attracted to the strong female character archetype for example, while other men prefer the cute, innocent and very nice female archetype like Tali or Merril. I would be pretty annoyed if the strong female character archetype disappears in my options. It wasn't conscious that I loved it, but that's what I realized when I noticed my previous Lis lol :

 

 Ashley Williams, Miranda, Morrigan, Isabela, Cassandra. I also got a crush for Samara and a big one for Vivienne ! 

 

My point is that as long as there is diversity, then, there's no issue  no matter what are the preferences of folks and regardless of them.

 

Honestly, now, if you think that diversity between romance options isn't worth it, we have simply nothing to discuss, because we aren't going to agree over the subject and we aren't going to change our mind. I am not trying to be rude, it's just that it won't lead anywhere in my opinion. I leave it at that. Let's just agree to disagree. 

[ThreeF]

Honestly, now, if you think that diversity between romance options isn't worth it, we have simply nothing to discuss, because we aren't going to agree over the subject and we aren't going to change our mind. I am not trying to be rude, it's just that it won't lead anywhere in my opinion. I leave it at that. Let's just agree to disagree. 

hmm? I do think that diversity matter, but I don't see how it is a huge problem as a whole. Last game Fenris and Anders were similar, this game it's Cassandra and Josephine. What I don't want to see is BW creating some sort of mathematical algorithm to include diversity in romance for the sake of romance. I very much like playing a character in a fantasy story that has also romance, than playing a character in a dating sim set in a fantasy world, that's my only objection to the whole "options" argument.

[ReiKokoFuuu]

and I want a blonde warrior woman

 

Spoiler

 

would work as a model to base her on

 

as much as i like saber and i wouldn't mind a blonde female warrior LI either, i'm a little tired of seeing saber everywhere >____> 

[HuldraDancer]

I don't know when I hear blond female warrior this is who comes to my mind.

Sister Helga