You do realize I actually said that I see the same cultural and religious rift with Josephine?
Alistair and Zevran certainly follow the Andrastian faith, but I don't recall Zevran suggesting that Mahariel should follow the Maker like Cassandra does with Lavellan and Solas.
Yeah she doesn't try to push her beliefs on you which is my point. She merely has them.
I don't recall Josie suggesting my Pc follow the maker. Unless I've missed a scene?
Yeah she doesn't try to push her beliefs on you which is my point. She merely has them.
I don't recall Josie suggesting my Pc follow the maker. Unless I've missed a scene?
In other words, you're not responding to anything I actually said. As usual.
You do realize I actually said that I see the same cultural and religious rift with Josephine?
Alistair and Zevran certainly follow the Andrastian faith, but I don't recall Zevran suggesting that Mahariel should follow the Maker like Cassandra does with Lavellan and Solas.
Guys, I just heard we can't be an Elf or Dwarf in DA2!
In other words, you're not responding to anything I actually said. As usual.
IF I am it's only because you ignored what I said. (which wasn't even in response to you to begin with).
I came in this thread asking where did Josephine push her religious beliefs on the PC. Now please produce evidence of that or say no she doesn't shove her beliefs onto you. This isn't something that needs a debate. It's a yes or no question.
And then I remarked that using the "well they believe in the maker" yardstick I had no choice between a male who didn't in DAO. (or even in DA2 for that matter. Seb was the heaviest believer but both Anders and Fenris believed in the maker.)
Guys, I just heard we can't be an Elf or Dwarf in DA2!
WHAAAAT?
And here I was so proud of myself for trying something new and "choosing" a human Hawke in DA 2.
Saying "believing in the Maker might give you comfort (as it does for me)" to a person who has expressed an interest in her faith is not telling him that he "should" follow anything. She isn't aiming to convert him, but simply sharing the ways in which her faith has helped her. And he appreciates this. It's not the same thing at all. Should she just never talk about her faith, even when asked, lest she look pushy?
Cassandra telling Solas that following the Maker would give him hope is my idea of telling someone that he should follow the Maker. You really seem to be arguing the semantics of whether or not she's "pushy" in doing so, rather than the simple fact that she's encouraging him to follow the Andrastian faith.
I can see where you're coming from, and it was probably a little tone-deaf on Cass's part given the history between the Dalish and Andrastians. But I think she was trying to be respectful, and was simply attempting to find some sort of common ground between the two of you i.e. both being people of faith. I saw it as a "we are not so different" kind of thing.
I'm not saying that Cassandra's a bad person for it, but it simply came across like the previous Andrastian characters who either suggested that someone should follow the Andrastian faith, or tried to suggest that the Dalish who followed another faith simply followed the Maker through a different perspective.
It's probably wrong of me but I hope future games are all human only.
*flees from all the human haters*
*Headdesk* headdesk* *headdesk*
This is a particularly irksome thread considering that most of the guys I know playing the game play all the classes and all the romances. The number of people who will do the two 'straight' romances of their own gender only are small, in that they don't have the peculiar notion that playing another gender or sexual orientation will make you gay, lolol.
Edit: Oh. I see we've moved on to hating humans and Andrastianism. This will end well. The elf hate can't be far behind.
IF I am it's only because you ignored what I said. (which wasn't even in response to you to begin with).
Considering no one said what you claimed about Josephine, it's apparently in response to no one.
And then I remarked that using the "well they believe in the maker" yardstick I had no choice between a male who didn't in DAO. (or even in DA2 for that matter. Seb was the heaviest believer but both Anders and Fenris believed in the maker.)
Which doesn't really change the point of the statement about providing more diversity in the future, given how the content so far has been Andrastian human centric.
It's probably wrong of me but I hope future games are all human only.
*flees from all the human haters*
I don't see any point to denying fans of the elves, dwarves, and qunari content simply because you favor a human protagonist.
It's probably wrong of me but I hope future games are all human only.
*flees from all the human haters*
Nah I see through your lies.
What you were trying to say: I want the elves to have better models.
We should all be a Fex in future games. That way everyone is equally foreign to us. 
I really don't get why some guys get so upset just because 1 game doesn't give them more choices then everyone else, only an bisexual female elf has a couple of extra choices, is not like ME where straight male Shepard had far more choices compared to a gay M!Shep, lesbian F!Shep & straight F!Shep, funny that the same guys weren't outraged over that
We should all be a Fex in future games. That way everyone is equally foreign to us.
That means being a Qunari. NO!
That means being a Qunari. NO!
No it doesn't. The Fex are the people who are native to the continent Par Vollen is a part of. The Qunari are not native to Par Vollen but came from some other continent like the humans did with Thedas.
Considering no one said what you claimed about Josephine, it's apparently in response to no one.
Which doesn't really change the point of the statement about providing more diversity in the future, given how the content so far has been Andrastian human centric.
I don't see any point to denying fans of the elves, dwarves, and qunari content simply because you favor a human protagonist.
When the complaints about not having an non Andrastian LI seems to have the tone that it's because it's a major issue that's why I was wondering if she was being offensive to cause the "I don't want an Andrastian LI!" angle. I can see with Cass (somewhat) because she does question your beliefs. But Josephine?
DAI is the only game where straight females don't have an Andrastian LI. Straight males have gotten such in both DA2 and DAO. So the complaints seem rather laughable in that light to me.
Which is fair enough. But straight males are far from the only group who have only had Andrastian LIs. The series is heavily Andrastian centric. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
Because it's a sizable drain on resources for races that are played far less.
No it doesn't. The Fex are the people who are native to the continent Par Vollen is a part of. The Qunari are not native to Par Vollen but came from some other continent like the humans did with Thedas.
The Fex have been assimilated by the Qunari in short they are Qunari.
When the complaints about not having an non Andrastian LI seems to have the tone that it's because it's a major issue that's why I was wondering if she was being offensive to cause the "I don't want an Andrastian LI!" angle.
Let me answer: No, Josephine is never anything but nice about you being Dalish. She even defends you from racist comments about it.
The Fex have been assimilated by the Qunari in short they are Qunari.
So play as one who can decimate the Qun from the inside. Plus I'm sure there are Tal-Vashoth equivalents of Fex, just like there are rebels in every society in Thedas.
Nah I see through your lies.
What you were trying to say: I want the elves to have better models.
XD
Oh god the elves. I feel so bad for fem elf. That small frame having to drag that big booty around. Those twig arms that are even thinner than her mage staff.
I don't understand who looked at that and went "hey that looks good!" the males look even worse.
When the complaints about not having an non Andrastian LI seems to have the tone that it's because it's a major issue that's why I was wondering if she was being offensive to cause the "I don't want an Andrastian LI!" angle.
Which is fair enough. But straight males are far from the only group who have only had Andrastian LIs. The series is heavily Andrastian centric. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
Because it's a sizable drain on resources for races that are played far less.
I never claimed it was only an issue for straight males. I did point out that a straight male protagonist is limited to two Andrastian human love who are overtly Andrastian, one of whom says that you should follow the Maker if you tell her that you follow your own gods. Given the interesting cultures that inhabit Thedas, I see little reason to focus exclusively on Andrastian human, or to deny players the opportunity to play as non-human races in the future.
I never claimed it was only an issue for straight males. I did point out that a straight male protagonist is limited to two Andrastian human love who are overtly Andrastian, one of whom says that you should follow the Maker if you tell her that you follow your own gods. Given the interesting cultures that inhabit Thedas, I see little reason to focus exclusively on Andrastian human, or to deny players the opportunity to play as non-human races in the future.
How on earth is Josephine overly Andrastian? Because she believes?
You know who else believes? 90% of the Lis. And I already said Cass was unfortunate.
As for little reason for focusing exclusively on Andrastians sorry but that's a major religious belief of the human race and given humans are the most played race by a wide margin you're just gonna have to get used to it.
As for denying the ability to play other races. If they're not resource friendly they are gonna go. That's just the way it is. And yes I wish they'd go because we could get far better stories if they weren't shackled by having to keep them relevant to multiple races.
Cassandra telling Solas that following the Maker would give him hope is my idea of telling someone that he should follow the Maker. You really seem to be arguing the semantics of whether or not she's "pushy" in doing so, rather than the simple fact that she's encouraging him to follow the Andrastian faith.
Yeah, I'm alright with leaving it at this. I was more responding to the idea that Cass suggesting that Solas might find comfort in believing in the Maker was inappropriate in some way (which I didn't think it was). But I can see how that might make a pious Dalish character not want to pursue a romance with her, so your original point stands. Though I don't think the Cass romance or the Josie romance is incompatible with an Inquisitor who isn't Andrastian. It all depends on how you play them. Even when you look at the characters available for a female Inquisitor, if you wanted to roleplay a very rigid pro-Dalish character then none of the LIs are all that compatible.
How on earth is Josephine overly Andrastian? Because she believes?
You know who else believes? 90% of the Lis. And I already said Cass was unfortunate.
I already said that I think the series should allow more focus on the other cultures that exist on Thedas, rather than focusing almost exclusively on Andrastian human culture.
As for little reason for focusing exclusively on Andrastians sorry but that's a major religious belief of the human race and given humans are the most played race by a wide margin you're just gonna have to get used to it.
Or we could explore the rich, intriguing cultures that also exist on Thedas, which can be reflected in the composition of our companions and love interests.
As for denying the ability to play other races. If they're not resource friendly they are gonna go. That's just the way it is. And yes I wish they'd go because we could get far better stories if they weren't shackled by having to keep them relevant to multiple races.
It's a good thing you're not a developer, then, because I don't find much value in your human protagonist only version of Dragon Age.
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