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[Ryzaki]

I already said that I think the series should allow more focus on the other cultures that exist on Thedas, rather than focusing almost exclusively on Andrastian human culture.

 

 

Or we could explore the rich, intriguing cultures that also exist on Thedas, which can include the composition of our companions and love interests.

 

 

It's a good thing you're not a developer, then, because I don't find much value in your human protagonist only version of Dragon Age.

 

And what cultures aren't Andrastian at all that have high human populations?

 

Which we do...while also maintaining an Andrastian viewpoint as well. One game not having an Andrastian LI for straight men isn't any reason to start pulling out the "I only have Andrastian LIs!" card. Join the club.  Alot of us have been here since DAO. You're only here for one game. Make a character that's okay with it, change your PC's gender or don't romance anyone.

 

*shrugs* Then I'd lose you as a customer. However for me the better ability to tell a story without having to accommodate for multiple races would more than make up for it.

[In Exile]

Yeah, I'm alright with leaving it at this. I was more responding to the idea that Cass suggesting that Solas might find comfort in believing in the Maker was inappropriate in some way (which I didn't think it was). But I can see how that might make a pious Dalish character not want to pursue a romance with her, so your original point stands. Though I don't think the Cass romance or the Josie romance is incompatible with an Inquisitor who isn't Andrastian. It all depends on how you play them. Even when you look at the characters available for a female Inquisitor, if you wanted to roleplay a very rigid pro-Dalish character then none of the LIs are all that compatible.

The thing is that it's impossible to feel bad for any player who laments the game isn't giving them an option to be a bigot.

[LobselVith8]

The thing is that it's impossible to feel bad for any player who laments the game isn't giving them an option to be a bigot.

 

I didn't realize that not wanting to romance someone who wants you to convert to their religion makes you a bigot.

[Ryzaki]

I didn't realize that not wanting to romance someone who wants you to convert to their religion makes you a bigot.

 

Don't you still have Josephine as an option?

[In Exile]

I didn't realize that not wanting to romance someone who wants you to convert to their religion makes you a bigot.

Read my post again. There's a giant gulf between "there's no romance option for this one character I RP" and "I only RP a character of one religion and race and insist I be given a romance interest of the same race and religion".

The former is just RP. The latter is (well, virtual) bigotry.

And, again, speaking as an IRL atheist who has actually dealt with people trying to convert me to their religion, there's absolutely no way you can take Cassandra to be trying to covert anyone. For how unbelievably devout she is I'm amazed how accepting she is of an Inquisitor who repeatedly says her beliefs are horeshit and the institution she's devoted her entire life to is a sham that's the main source of suffering in southern Thedas.

[LobselVith8]

Read my post again. There's a giant gulf between "there's no romance option for this one character I RP" and "I only RP a character of one religion and race and insist I be given a romance interest of the same race and religion".

 

I suggested that there could have been more variety in the romance options than two Andrastian humans who are overtly Andrastian. I said that we could have had a qunari, a dwarf, or an elf, and in regards to the latter, that we could have explored a relationship with someone who was viddathari and showed us another side to the Qun, or someone who was pro-Dalish because we literally have no pro-Dalish characters among our companions, advisers, or even among some of the minor characters.

 

The former is just RP. The latter is (well, virtual) bigotry.

 

As long as you ignore 90% of what I said since this thread started by citing one example, and pretending it's the only one I made.

 

And, again, speaking as an IRL atheist who has actually dealt with people trying to convert me to their religion, there's absolutely no way you can take Cassandra to be trying to covert anyone. For how unbelievably devout she is I'm amazed how accepting she is of an Inquisitor who repeatedly says her beliefs are horeshit and the institution she's devoted her entire life to is a sham that's the main source of suffering in southern Thedas.

 

Cassandra telling Lavellan that he should follow the Maker isn't ambiguous about what she's suggesting.

[Grieving Natashina]

Read my post again. There's a giant gulf between "there's no romance option for this one character I RP" and "I only RP a character of one religion and race and insist I be given a romance interest of the same race and religion".

The former is just RP. The latter is (well, virtual) bigotry.

And, again, speaking as an IRL atheist who has actually dealt with people trying to convert me to their religion, there's absolutely no way you can take Cassandra to be trying to covert anyone. For how unbelievably devout she is I'm amazed how accepting she is of an Inquisitor who repeatedly says her beliefs are horeshit and the institution she's devoted her entire life to is a sham that's the main source of suffering in southern Thedas.

I'm an agnostic and I second this.  Cass never made me feel pressured to convert to Andrastian on my (also agnostic) dwarven rogue.  I also told her to her face that my character thought all religion was bullshit, and she still accepted that.   On my current character (pro-Circle Andrastian human mage,) it rarely comes up even though we have the same faith.*

 

_{*Before anyone comes down on me for this, it's just RP.  My agnostic dwarf didn't feel the same as my religious human mage does, my elf is going to believe in the Creators, and my very outspoken atheist Qunari is going to feel much different than any of them.}

[Ryzaki]

Agreed on the Cass bit. I romanced her with an Agnostic PC. But I figured people were more sensitive to me *shrug*

[In Exile]

I suggested that there could have been more variety in the romance options than two Andrastian humans who are overtly Andrastian. I said that we could have had a qunari, a dwarf, or an elf, and in regards to the latter, that we could have explored a relationship with someone who was viddathari and showed us another side to the Qun, or someone who was pro-Dalish because we literally have no pro-Dalish characters among our companions, advisers, or even among some of the minor characters.


As long as you ignore 90% of what I said since this thread started by citing one example, and pretending it's the only one I made.


Cassandra telling Lavellan that he should follow the Maker isn't ambiguous about what she's suggesting.

Let me preface this with saying that I just started my Lavellan PT so I can't comment on it. My only non-human PT so far was my first devout character a qunari warrior of all things. I really enjoyed it. If the game truly let's me RP an atheist Dalish elf - a first who rejects the idea that elven gods were true gods but who so painfully wants to save his people - I think it will honestly be my favourite PT.

I don't disagree with the part of your post saying that a non-human non-Andrastian LI would be good. I'm all for one of more LIs in the vein of Morrigan in particular.

But there's a difference between that an your true desire - having a female elf LI who shares your particular view of elvenhood.

As to Cassandra, I only commented on her interaction with Solas. That's not trying to convert him.

[errantknight]

Read my post again. There's a giant gulf between "there's no romance option for this one character I RP" and "I only RP a character of one religion and race and insist I be given a romance interest of the same race and religion".

The former is just RP. The latter is (well, virtual) bigotry.

And, again, speaking as an IRL atheist who has actually dealt with people trying to convert me to their religion, there's absolutely no way you can take Cassandra to be trying to covert anyone. For how unbelievably devout she is I'm amazed how accepting she is of an Inquisitor who repeatedly says her beliefs are horeshit and the institution she's devoted her entire life to is a sham that's the main source of suffering in southern Thedas.

This is why I like Cass best for Divine. She's open minded and wants to focus on fighting poverty and hardship. Thedas could use more of that. Sadly, my first inquisitor was more interested in keeping his girlfriend than being influential in the chantry, lol.

[SheilaD67]

Oh for the love of...

 

DA:O:  You wouldn't know Leliana or Zevran were bi unless you asked or played same-sex trying to romance or poking your nose in their business...

DA:2:  Same re Anders and Fenris (it never comes up unless you're a guy flirting w/Anders after the Karl debacle).  Isabela...well, she's just too obvious.  We remember her from Origins.

 

Haven't played DA:I yet...but, really?  You're complaining about only 2 obvious straight male options?  Sorry, no sympathy here.  Older female gamer here....I remember Baldur's Gates 1&2 - no romance at all in 1, and only ONE romance option for women in 2.  One!  And that was Anomen.

 

I'd say, in the last 20 years, BioWare has come a long way!  

[Broganisity]

 

 

The beauty is that we'd then get our returning character, another dwarf companion, our first dwarf romance, and a non-human romance for straight guys.  All in one little bundle of murder!

Can you by Co-Op Partner in the next one? (If Co-Op were to happen.)

[Imryll]

I did point out that a straight male protagonist is limited to two Andrastian human love who are overtly Andrastian, one of whom says that you should follow the Maker if you tell her that you follow your own gods.

My Dalish was intrigued by the question. The Dalish believe in multiple gods, none of whom are thought to be the creators of the world. Cassandra didn't suggest that Lavellan abandon false belief for true. She only asked whether there wasn't room for one more--which is hardly the same as telling my character that she "should follow the Maker."

[Battlebloodmage]

It will be either straight males or straight females who have more options, stated by one of the developers. Chances are ME4 will be straight male centric. I'm thinking DA is usually more straight female centric while ME is usually more straight male centric. Those who complain about this should also complain about ME3 being favorable toward straight males. 

[themageguy]

You know what?

im only really gutted that I didn't get to romance Harding.

The flirt options are so great. If i could choose between having qunari as a race option, or a romance option for humans and dwarves with Miss Harding, its her always.

[In Exile]

You know what?

im only really gutted that I didn't get to romance Harding.

The flirt options are so great. If i could choose between having qunari as a race option, or a romance option for humans and dwarves with Miss Harding, its her always.

Absolutely not. She barely has a character. She's 60% quips.

[Vegeta 77]

Everyone should just be bi and both get the same number 3 male 3 female. It is equal it is fair no one gets more or less.

[Panda]

Everyone should just be bi and both get the same number 3 male 3 female. It is equal it is fair no one gets more or less.

 

I don't think BW will ever return to all bi though since Gaider is very against of having all bi since bi isn't compromise (he wants to have different sexualities) and BW isn't even going for equal options for everyone (I think this one was also from Gaider but it was in one of the long romance threads that were deleted).

[Vegeta 77]

I don't think BW will ever return to all bi though since Gaider is very against of having all bi since bi isn't compromise (he wants to have different sexualities) and BW isn't even going for equal options for everyone (I think this one was also from Gaider but it was in one of the long romance threads that were deleted).

I get that but i think giving one group more options just causes more fights and upsets groups. Going equal is the right thing to do i think his way just angers more then helps.

[themageguy]

Absolutely not. She barely has a character. She's 60% quips.

Really?
I think shes great.

[Fandango]

Really?
I think shes great.

I think that Inquisition boasts a bevy of well drawn, interesting and entertaining characters. If only some people could accept them for who and what they are.

[Abelas Forever!]

I get that but i think giving one group more options just causes more fights and upsets groups. Going equal is the right thing to do i think his way just angers more then helps.

I think people would still get angry even if everybody is given equal numbers of LIs. If there are different kinds of romances then people would compare them and get angry if one romance has less content comparing to other one or that one romance is tragic or not tragic enough. I think the best way is that there are different sexualities and if everybody get at least two options then everything is fine. If one group gets extra options then I wouldn't considered it to be so bad. Because it could be that in the next game some other group will get more LIs. I also think that it's better give more options to one group if the other option is not to have those options at all.

[hostaman]

And that helps how, exactly?

Personally, I am very happy with Cassandra's romance.

 

Cassandra is awesome - She's the only one you need!

[Vegeta 77]

I think people would still get angry even if everybody is given equal numbers of LIs. If there are different kinds of romances then people would compare them and get angry if one romance has less content comparing to other one or that one romance is tragic or not tragic enough. I think the best way is that there are different sexualities and if everybody get at least two options then everything is fine. If one group gets extra options then I wouldn't considered it to be so bad. Because it could be that in the next game some other group will get more LIs. I also think that it's better give more options to one group if the other option is not to have those options at all.

I am fine with sexualities i just think going 2-2-2 would be better yes there will always be fights and people getting angry about not getting a certain option. I just think giving one group more options then others makes things worse yes it is nice one group gets more but the other groups get upset about it. If it stays equal it shows they treat and respect each group the same instead of just upsetting more people.

[In Exile]

Really?
I think shes great.

 

There's just no character there. She doesn't really do anything on-screen beside her brief introduction shooting one arrow into a mage who isn't paying attention to her. She has a very limited bit of dialogue about herself - which is comparable to a random NPC like Fairbanks - and then you get to have a bit of consistent back and forth with her in each new area. Aside from having flirt options, I just don't see what's there to her character.