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[wolfhowwl]

Harbinger gave me flashbacks to Counter-Strike.

[Elfyoth]

Yeah I know he survived and I expected him to return in DA:I
but as the elder one and major villian? no just no

Yes I know I thought cory was just Dumat's servant and that Dumat was the elder one, yet, I wasn't disappointed by cory, I think he was a good villian, still he could have been better like we all can.

[Bakgrind]

I would have to agree with a lot of people here by echoing that Kai Leng as being the worst Bioware villain. From what I gather about him he is some sort of comic book hero that was best left in the realm of comics. The absurdity of a space ninja is strong in this one. But I'll  give him  bit  of credit since he opened my eyes to what I believe  the Assassin Creed series was becoming in my opinion and made me distance my self from it. I simply had to quit before it got to that level of silliness.

[Maniccc]

lol at thread.  Doesn't matter the game or franchise bsn will claim it is the worst at something.

So your'e saying some people in a forum saying one thing equates to the whole forum?  Alrighty then.

[Heimdall]

well thats just your opinion TIM was a great villian and character ! and the Reapers (before starbrat) were menacing as hell
with them taking Earth in a matter of minutes and then Palaven etc. they weren't "grey" villians like Loghain, TIM or Saren but they were a huge threat
 
what did Corypheus do except his attack on Haven? hide behind Samson? lol

TIM was an interesting character in ME2. He was a boring villain in ME3.

The Reapers were a threat, that doesn't make them good villains. They're at the same level as the Archdemon. 1 dimensional distant threats.

Cory was horribly underutilized after Haven, I don't dispute that.

[Draining Dragon]

Those are things that make him a good villain! Those aren't writing errors or things that confuse his character. That email didn't make me think "why would put that in the game?" But rather something like "what a ****** dbag"

He's a villain that would be a total pushover if it weren't for plot armor. That's bad writing.

[MisterJB]

Kai Leng still holds the trophy as far as i'm concerned.

 

Corypheus is still really bad though. The threat a villain poses should increase as the story moves on, making everything seem that much more dire. Cory gets whipped at every turn and the threat he poses decreases significantly towards the end of the game. He was great at Haven, after that, not so much.

Well, it was the point. He begins with every plan in place, ready to conquer the world while you have to build the Inquisition from the ground up. As you reach the ending, the Inquisition spans nations and sways emperors and kings while Corypheus has been reduced to himself and his dragon.

It was creative, I think.

 

And while Corypheus could have used more scenes being a character rather than a boss, a faithful who entered Heaven and found it empty and corrupted is the perfect villain for a game that explores faith in such detail.

[Gileadan]

Don't you diss Kai Leng, guys. He provided me with some cheap but oddly satisfying moments in his final battle during my last playthrough of ME3.

 

Had a soldier with Aria's Lash as special power, and a M7 Lancer with unlimited ammo. He has these scripted moments when he calls in reinforcements, and he becomes invulnerable once the "call reinforcements" script kicks in.

 

I used Lash to pull him away, knock him down and make him try to crawl to the point where the script wanted him. All the time filling him with unlimited Lancer rounds. It could be kept up indefinitely. Oh yes, I had my revenge. Sorta.

 

...

 

This may actually mean that Coryphywaffles was worse. Because he merely made me go "meh, die already."

[Mocksie]

Corypheus had potential, but he wasn't well utilized and his threat was underdeveloped.

 

 

This. They could have done a lot more with Cory. If they had actually made him a looming threat with more incidents like Haven, or had him actually beat the Inquisitor at certain times, then it would have been a lot better.

 

As it is after Haven, Cory is more akin to a Scooby Doo villain who is constantly getting his plans spoiled by the "meddling Inquisition".

[Ashagar]

This. They could have done a lot more with Cory. If they had actually made him a looming threat with more incidents like Haven, or had him actually beat the Inquisitor at certain times, then it would have been a lot better.

 

As it is after Haven, Cory is more akin to a Scooby Doo villain who is constantly getting his plans spoiled by the "meddling Inquisition".

 

Now, Now, Worthy is the Scooby Doo Villain he even states as he's being arrested he would have gotten away with it if It too wasn't for those meddling inquisitors.

[MrMrPendragon]

As a threat, yes he's pretty bad. Narrative-wise, he's pretty menacing and is on a position of immense power, except his gameplay presence kinda undermined all that. He lost every single battle he waged against me, even Haven was a 50-50 victory because I killed at least a quarter of his army.  If he didn't fly around during the final battle, I could've ended that in less than 2 minutes.

 

The best villains Bioware made are the Reapers. From both a narrative and gameplay standpoint, they were a serious threat. They made you desperate and sometimes afraid to make mistakes. I don't think we've taken down a Sovereign-class ship in the trilogy in a gameplay standpoint.  The game and narrative made sure we were not able to overpower this villain.

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't think Corypheus was bad, per say, as just underplayed. In part it was because of rapidly diminishing threat cred- he started off strong, countering the initial Inquisition victory with Mages/Templars with the assault on Haven, but after that he was increasingly less of a threat as his plans just kept getting nixed in sequence. Demon army? Still born. Orlais coup? Stopped. Race to the Eluvians? Please, since when has 'it's a race to this story mission location' ever meant anything but 'take as long as you need, you'll still succeed' in Bioware?

 

Don't get me wrong- in many respects Corypheus was good at the start. He had plans, conspiracies, and pieces already moving so that he could win. When things started to go wrong, he adapted so well that the accidental outcomes (the Conclave explosion, the Mage/Templars) fell in his favor regardless. And the idea about the Wardens and Orlais? I think they were good plans, and good things for us to foil. I even lacked the archeological arms race of sorts, in which the Inquisition and Venatori were racing to find and fighting over ancient elven artifacts and such.

 

It's just that he stopped being a credible threat after the point he could not longer harm us. After Haven, the Inquisition was all but untouchable- a safe base, never diminishing alliances, and so on. I'm not saying he needed to rule a country or anything, but at the end it was like he wasn't even trying. It was just all 'gah, blow up the sky (again).' We would fail to save the world, but short of that we were unbeatable. Even the archeological arms race was a bit dull when most of those temples had no great artifacts or terribly important secrets that were being fought over. Imagine if, say, the Emerald Knights tomb had been cast as a race with Corypheus to get the truth about the Dales war, lest Corypheus use the evidence to stir up trouble of one sort or another? (Such as, say, kicking off anti-elf discrimination, or offering it to extremist Dalish to attack the Inquisition.)

 

I think what he really needed was that feared-but-never-materialized threat on Skyhold. Say a last-ditch attempt to attack it after Mythal, when the Inquisitions forces and allies are still in the South combing over the Temple of Mythal. I think Haven 2.0, but with our victory this time, would have been a bit better than 'hey, let's go to the Temple of Sacred ashes again for no clear reason.'

[Ashagar]

Well the veil would have been easiest to rip apart there given that is where the breach was and even after being sealed so it made sense but it would have been nice to see what your companions were doing while you were up in the air fighting Corypheus and his dragon.

[viperidae]

The inquisition wasn't untouchable. You people forget that Corypheus has a humongous time window where he could have absolutely, utterly crushed the inquisition. It's safe to say there was quite a period of time where Corpyheus was aware of the location of Skyhold and has a stronger military, had his immortality power without us knowing about it, and he had his dragon. If at any point during that time he decided he would directly attack skyhold, that would've been an almost impossible fight for the inquisition (honestly, i half expected it to happen, too).

 

In the end, he doesn't decide to attack. He just keeps on keeping on with his plans, and his arrogance is what defines him and undoes him in the end. The fact that he wouldn't recognize the inquisition as the threat it was is what ended him.

[In Exile]

I mean why did they even bring him back? When it was first revealed that he is the elder one I actually laughed my ass off (at Haven)

As a dlc character he should have been someone like Samson was to him, only a servant to the Elder one
He was not menacing at all and seemed like a joke most of the time looking back at the epic Enemy of Thedas trailer I gotta say I'm beyond disappointed

Hell even the silent Archdemon was more menacing because the hordes of darkspawn seemed actually like a serious threat
Corypheus seems like a cheap excuse to justify building the Inquisition in my opinion
I think the biggest problem was that many players already met him via Legacy dlc so it just seemed like a rehash

Anyone agree?

Regardless of what I think about Corypheus I have to absolutely disagree that the archdemon was even remotely threatening. The darkspawn were an army of mooks. The only reaction they elicited is "Yes! Easy XP!" The archdemon wasn't threatening.

It sucked as a villain. It can't even be called that. It was a force of nature. It was as much of a villain as the High Dragon at haven.

[Elfyoth]

Regardless of what I think about Corypheus I have to absolutely disagree that the archdemon was even remotely threatening. The darkspawn were an army of mooks. The only reaction they elicited is "Yes! Easy XP!" The archdemon wasn't threatening.

It sucked as a villain. It can't even be called that. It was a force of nature. It was as much of a villain as the High Dragon at haven.

 

 

Agreed. Ther only changing thing is that only a Grey Warden could kill it, maximum Ferelden could have fallen but NOT Orlais, with tons of GW that could kill it, it  didint threat the world as Cory did, cuz ppl actually knew how to kill it. 

[Lord Raijin]

I thought the Archdemon was far better villain then Corypheus. I ended up pitying this ancient darkspawn because he was that outrageously pathetic. I almost felt sorry for him because for the moment I thought I was dealing with a man who seemed to be possessed by a demon child whose powers was nothing more than to give tantrums.

 

 

I can't believe Bioware reinstated a DLC villain into the next game.

[In Exile]

I thought the Archdemon was far better villain then Corypheus. I ended up pitying this ancient darkspawn because he was that outrageously pathetic. I almost felt sorry for him because for the moment I thought I was dealing with a man who seemed to be possessed by a demon child whose powers was nothing more than to give tantrums.


I can't believe Bioware reinstated a DLC villain into the next game.

Again, regardless of whether you think Cory is lame, what's wrong with foreshadowing a villain in a DLC?

If Solas is a villain in DA4 is Bioware lame for using a DAI companion as a villain?

[Ashagar]

The inquisition wasn't untouchable. You people forget that Corypheus has a humongous time window where he could have absolutely, utterly crushed the inquisition. It's safe to say there was quite a period of time where Corpyheus was aware of the location of Skyhold and has a stronger military, had his immortality power without us knowing about it, and he had his dragon. If at any point during that time he decided he would directly attack skyhold, that would've been an almost impossible fight for the inquisition (honestly, i half expected it to happen, too).

 

In the end, he doesn't decide to attack. He just keeps on keeping on with his plans, and his arrogance is what defines him and undoes him in the end. The fact that he wouldn't recognize the inquisition as the threat it was is what ended him.

 

Skyhold isn't the sort of place you'd take by assault at least not with the sort of forces Corypheus had.

 

Could he have possibly taken it? Baring the ancient magical defenses that quite likely would have keep him and his dragon out of Skyhold, a slight maybe but it wouldn't have been by assault but by laying siege which would be difficult given the location and starving the defenders until they surrendered or died which wouldn't make for a very good game now would it.

[In Exile]

Skyhold isn't the sort of place you'd take by assault at least not with the sort of forces Corypheus had.

Could he have possibly taken it? Baring the ancient magical defenses that quite likely would have keep him and his dragon out of Skyhold, a slight maybe but it wouldn't have been by assault but by laying siege which would be difficult given the location and starving the defenders until they surrendered or died which wouldn't make for a very good game now would it.

Regardless of that what really sucked was not having another siege. Getting a fortress is all about building it up for the siege. Even DAA had a siege.

I get that we had Haven for that siege part. Still.

[Lord Raijin]

Regardless of what I think about Corypheus I have to absolutely disagree that the archdemon was even remotely threatening. The darkspawn were an army of mooks. The only reaction they elicited is "Yes! Easy XP!" The archdemon wasn't threatening.

It sucked as a villain. It can't even be called that. It was a force of nature. It was as much of a villain as the High Dragon at haven.

The Archdemon was in fact very threatening. The tainted dragon was leading a massive armies of Darkspawn to take over the world. Urthemiel was using telepathic powers to lead her armies. Didn't you see deceased people hanging from trees due to the darkspawn? They were slaughtering anyone on sight.... I'm sure they kidnapped a lot of women only to be used for creating more broodmothers... which will increase their armies in size.

[Lord Raijin]

Again, regardless of whether you think Cory is lame, what's wrong with foreshadowing a villain in a DLC?

If Solas is a villain in DA4 is Bioware lame for using a DAI companion as a villain?

 

I don't know if you're putting me on, or simply making a joke? Solas would've been a GREAT main antagonist, especially after what we have discovered after the credits. The idea of him being Fen'Harel is significant. It spiked my interests for sure.

 

Corypheus is a joke... and the only reason why Bioware brought him back is to bring back Hawke (Why????) which he made it known of determination to beat him again in battle... oh but wait! He never shows up during the final battle because hes dealing with the Grey wardens in Weisshaupt.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Okay...how is this thread four pages long and Orsino has yet to be mentioned? 

 

First play-through in DAII: my Hawke's defending the mages well, all the templars are defeated.  Go team underdogs!

 

Then Orsino starts monologuing about how it's hopeless, why don't they just drown all mage kids, this is why he didn't turn in the serial killer nutter, and then kills all the other mages to turn into that crazy corpse what's-it.

 

I was staring at the screen in completely disbelief.  Sure, I found out later that Orsino turning on a Hawke that sides with the mages is there to make two boss fights and not because the writers thought it worked for the story...

 

But it's still hard to get over all the what-the-****.