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[Reymoose]

Comparing him to other DA villain hes definitely not the worst. Archdemon was just a "special snowflake" imo a burnt rotting one but hardly anything special.

Then you've got Lohgain who is by all rights more incompetent as far as I'm concerned. Sure he fled the field but I accept that as experience telling him to save his men rather than follow a fool but after that he starts howling at the moon like Orlesians are gonna jump out every bush

Then comes the DA2 where....there wasn't really a villain as far as I'm concerned. While some may argue the Templars, I say how many blood mages did Hawke kill daily? Both Meredith and the Arishok were somewhat justified in their actions so the real villains...Isabela and Anders?

So as far as Corypheus goes both he and the Archdemon are perhaps the only real villains in the series so yep hes the best. Hell he basically took the mages,templars, and wardens bent them over and ass raped them one after another. Name another villain that did that

 

The archdemon and darkspawn in general are better 'villains' because they were used in a way like how many literary epics used 'great evil force' rather than give characterization to a villain.

 

Simply, call it the 'Lovecraftian' effect. The Archdemon/darkspawn were less villains (though they were by all means) but more forces of nature that the protagonist must push and fight against. Forces of nature are powerful simply because immediately the protagonist is given a nearly impossible task to overcome and when they do overcome and the work they put in to overcome that, it becomes immensely satisfying that the journey they've taken, the power they've accrued is paid off.

 

One of the problems with Mass Effect, for example, is the characterization of the main antagonists, the Reapers. Suddenly a force of nature had a face and because it had a face the agencies of fear and doubt and the psychological reasoning on the part of the player as to their motivation was lost. In other words, explaining the motivations of an antagonist that the protagonist cannot relate to in any way has the effect of lessening the antagonist's threat. This is one of a myriad of reasons why the ending/Catalyst was simply abhorrent writing.

 

On the other hand, Loghain was a great villain, because he was human, and had human flaws. His obsession with Orlais came from his experiences during the war, as well as his dislike for the Wardens. If none of Loghain's actions were explained, and that people in the world tried to understand why he retreated, then he would also fail as a villain, because he would be one who would need a 'face', vs. the Archdemon who from it's physical appearances to the lore related to darkspawn would be perfectly fine as an engine of destruction.

 

Corypheus starts off as a Loghain, where we almost get his motivation-what he experienced and saw in the Golden City-and then without context or urgency, becomes an Archdemon only spouting Saturday morning villain level dialogue that has no effect on the protagonist at all. To compare Cory to the Archdemon is apples to oranges, as you're inherently asking for two separate types of prose to be juxtaposed next to each other without any background or context.

[Persephone]

Okay...how is this thread four pages long and Orsino has yet to be mentioned? 

 

First play-through in DAII: my Hawke's defending the mages well, all the templars are defeated.  Go team underdogs!

 

Then Orsino starts monologuing about how it's hopeless, why don't they just drown all mage kids, this is why he didn't turn in the serial killer nutter, and then kills all the other mages to turn into that crazy corpse what's-it.

 

I was staring at the screen in completely disbelief.  Sure, I found out later that Orsino turning on a Hawke that sides with the mages is there to make two boss fights and not because the writers thought it worked for the story...

 

But it's still hard to get over all the what-the-****.

Because an act of desperation (Or two) does not make you a villain. Or even an antagonist.

 

These days the "He/she did something I don't like!" rule makes characters "villains" and I'm like....nope?

 

Corypheus was a villain of the Jon Irenicus mold rather than the Reapers/Blight/Archdemon mold and I'm glad of it.

As such, he served a purpose. He had a narrative and lore to expand (His revelations, if true, are chilling) and he is paving the way for a possibly far greater threat.

So yeah, I'm fine with him being what he was. Because he was, pardon the word, only a harbinger of the change both Morrigan and Flemeth spoke of.

 

And that's Goddam terrifying. The ending of DAI felt like just a short breather to me, the bought minutes before the real storm rolls in.

[TurretSyndrome]

Solas should've been the main antagonist, with Corypheus as a creature that he controls without his knowing. That has been the case until the orb broke. Too bad how the writers squandered that opportunity at the end.

 

Imagine. Corypheus fails, unlocks orb, Solas gets the orb, does something and reveals himself or whatever. At the end, Inquisition knows its true enemy, and the game ends. Much better that way. I can even imagine Cassandra shouting "I should never have trusted that damn elf! I should've known something was wrong when I wondered about the knowledge he seemed to posses!" This way they don't even have to sacrifice Flemeth. And I can't believe they did that after all the build up since Origins. Both Corypheus and Flemeth, what a waste.

 

Now, the game ends with Flemeth dying, Solas intentions a mystery and everyone breathing a sigh of relief. While I am interested in where the ending leads to, I'm sure it's not going to be touched for a long time and DA 4 will have a new protagonist somewhere far away from Southern Thedas. So another f*cking protagonist with the previous three being put in the freezer, with only slight references to them. Just f*cking great.

 

Sometimes I wish the franchise had an epic trilogy with one of these protagonists. Inquisition was a great start and it could've been the beginning of that trilogy. Too bad that's never going to happen.

[cljqnsnyc]

Kai Leng is the worst with Corypheus following very close behind.

For me, it seemed he was both jealous of AND attracted to Shep.  They had a strange "thing" going on. And I mean male Shep. 

 

Problem with Cory really isn't a problem at all. He's a major wannabee. The Inquisitor just did everything better, and Cory couldn't handle it. 

[ioannisdenton]

There was just NOT enough screentime for him. Like saren in me1 where we could see him many times.

[Vox Draco]

There was just NOT enough screentime for him. Like saren in me1 where we could see him many times.

 

Indeed. Bioware needs to find a balance withtheir villains screentime. Show him too often, and the villain loses a lot of appeal, as we get used to him and it might end like "You don't catch me this time, heroes, we will meet again!"

 

Also more confrontations ... what made Darth Vader and the Emperor so friggin awesome? Everyoen remembers Vader dueling Luje in ESB, telling him his family-secret and offering him the galaxy. Or the duel in front of Palpatine, with the twist of Vader's redemption....

 

Stuff like that would help Bioware's villain to become a bit more memorable

 

Also, Bioware should consider to write their villains with the same amount to detail and quality as their Companions. I think Vivienne, for example, could have made an awesome villain with some minor changes (especially if we would still get teh glimpses into her personal life...)

[KaiserShep]

Vivienne would be an awesome villain. I kinda wish she was.

 

Inquisitor: So it was you who killed the Divine, for your mad grab at power!

 

Vivienne: Of course, darling. Now do be a dear and die.

[Lucky Thirteen]

well

when you have to crowbar in multiplayer

 

single player suffers

 

Actually the reverse happened. DAI started out as multiplayer and they crowbared single player in probably about the time Skyrim was a success.

 

When DAI was nearly an MMO idea, I wonder if Cory was suppose to be like Darth Malgus in swtor. I've played through 4 characters in that game, on the Empire side and Republic side, and I still have no flippen clue what that guy is doing or what his purpose is or what he has done. All I know is he was advertised all over the place as the big bad guy of the game and when I join the random groups, I've defeated him in an epic final battle hundreds of times while he seems to shout story references to things I haven't experienced yet.

 

The Templars and Mages, were probably originally set up like a Empire vs Republic. Separate factions the player would get to pick. I wonder if the Inquisition was a planned third faction.

[Ashagar]

I seeing that charge about multiplayer but never any evidence for it and please don't say fetch quests and side quests that have nothing to do with the main story because such things have been a staple in computer and console RPGs since I was a little kid.

[LS2GTO2006]

Solas should've been the main antagonist, with Corypheus as a creature that he controls without his knowing. That has been the case until the orb broke. Too bad how the writers squandered that opportunity at the end.

 

Imagine. Corypheus fails, unlocks orb, Solas gets the orb, does something and reveals himself or whatever. At the end, Inquisition knows its true enemy, and the game ends. Much better that way. I can even imagine Cassandra shouting "I should never have trusted that damn elf! I should've known something was wrong when I wondered about the knowledge he seemed to posses!" This way they don't even have to sacrifice Flemeth. And I can't believe they did that after all the build up since Origins. Both Corypheus and Flemeth, what a waste.

 

Now, the game ends with Flemeth dying, Solas intentions a mystery and everyone breathing a sigh of relief. While I am interested in where the ending leads to, I'm sure it's not going to be touched for a long time and DA 4 will have a new protagonist somewhere far away from Southern Thedas. So another f*cking protagonist with the previous three being put in the freezer, with only slight references to them. Just f*cking great.

 

Sometimes I wish the franchise had an epic trilogy with one of these protagonists. Inquisition was a great start and it could've been the beginning of that trilogy. Too bad that's never going to happen.

 

I seriously hope they wrap up the Solas story line in DLC , at least as much as possible, and they don't leave it as a huge cliffhanger setting up DA4.

 

On topic... as many have mentioned he started story and then ended pretty weak.  I still need to play through a Templar run since I have heard that fleshes him out a bit but probably not enough.  Is he the worst Bioware villain?  In my opinion not by a long shot... The Star Brat takes that cake no problem.