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[Bob Walker]

Watchmen. Watch it. It's one of the best movies ever.

 

The film is so-so, but the graphic novel is a master piece.

[sumojellybean]

The villains that are not stupid and don't reveal their plans... are the ones that nobody knows about and run the entire world ... and that never leave the room when the hero is about to be eaten alive by sharks with lasers on their heads...

 

I found way more annoying to have to dance with that skin-head-duchess ... worst writing? Worst looks and hairdo, as as I am concerned

 

Ehhh, I think Erimond tops that for worst looks IMO. At least Florianne does not have that god damned annoying face, mustache, and ponytail and didn't screw up the Grey Wardens. @_@ (His description of Clarel being a stupid b*tch though is accurate).

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Why can't I never enter a thread that says "Broodmother porn" just once I wish to stumble upon such thread...just once...

[MikeJW]

Florianne captures the inquisitor and his group and has him tied up, then beheads him.

Blackwall:Whoah, what are you doing? Is this your first day as an evil lackey or something?

 

Floriaa\nne:What? I'm evil, I kill people.

 

Varric:Look,did you not read the handbook? Theres certain ways you have to do things. You cant just go willy nilly and kill whoever you like.

 

Florianne:Whay not? That makes no sense.

 

Solas:You can bet I'm making a union grievance on this. Section 2, chapter 3 of the Heroes and Villians handbook states you have to let us win. If you capture us your suppoused to make a long winded, arrogant sppech and then walk away and let you incompetent lackeys who are clearly out matched try to kill us.

 

Florianne: Thats dumb. Why would I do this.

 

Blackwall:Because without us heroes we're all out of a job and I have to go back to my old job as model for Dapper Dans Beard and Moustache Wax and you have to go back to being a spokesman for Mothers Against Drunk Barbers.

 

Florianne:Crap. You think we glue hos head back on? Maybe finish this Weekend at Bernies style?

[Maniccc]

Dapper Dan....hahaha.

[Asakti]

I think the issue I have with the villains in this game - all of them really - is that they are mustache twirling kind.  There is no subtly to their actions, and it is all very colour-coded-for-your-convenience.  Floriane and Erimond are obviously villains.  They aren't even hiding it.  You know from the second you meet them.

 

Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts would be 100% better if you actually though Floriane was your ally - it makes 'The Game' look ridiculous if she reveals her cards too early.  And Erimond...well, the fact that he is a wimp makes it better, but ugh.  Wardens are stupid.

[moxiegraphix]

Erimond comes across as totally bats.... you know, totally insane. And I love how Erimond seemed to think, even though he failed, Cory's winning would somehow reward him, that his death will somehow send him to glory. Killing him was actually a mercy because Cory's not known to be forgiving of failure (if you followed the Mage storyline anyway, you'd be very aware of this). Erimond is worse than a mustache twirling villain (though he definitely behaves like one) because he's a true believer and it's not just 'let's be evil for evil's sake'. He honestly believes the Inquisition has no authority over him. He honestly believes Corypheus will raise him to glory. He's obviously nuts.

 

Florianne didn't come across as a true believer but I'm sure she thought she would reap certain rewards. Not realizing that Orlais would likely fall into chaos and she may or may not survive it anyway or have any of the power she truly desired. 

[TheGlen]

So... Glen are you from Göteborg?

Nope, Texan.

[TheGlen]

The film is so-so, but the graphic novel is a master piece.

Movie was a case of too much story and not enough time to tell it.

[Ogillardetta]

Nope, Texan.

I was asking cause there is a kind of saying in Sweden: Everyone from Göteborgs name is Glen x)

[Ogillardetta]

Watchmen. Watch it. It's one of the best movies ever.

Really? Will do then.

[MrMrPendragon]

Yeah she kinda went "classic Bond villain" on the Inquisitor.

[Ryzaki]

I think the issue I have with the villains in this game - all of them really - is that they are mustache twirling kind.  There is no subtly to their actions, and it is all very colour-coded-for-your-convenience.  Floriane and Erimond are obviously villains.  They aren't even hiding it.  You know from the second you meet them.

 

Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts would be 100% better if you actually though Floriane was your ally - it makes 'The Game' look ridiculous if she reveals her cards too early.  And Erimond...well, the fact that he is a wimp makes it better, but ugh.  Wardens are stupid.

 

This has been obvious since DAO with the hurr duur let's keep how the archdemons are killed a secret.

[Mocksie]

Inquisition really is lacking in subtlety with its villains and writing. Bioware stories have never been overly compelling beyond character interactions and companion writing, but they really could have done better with Inquisition.

 

They were on the right track with Loghain in Origins. The Archdemon certainly wasn't any sort of great villain, but "grey" villains like Loghain who truly believe they are doing what is best are the best kind. 

 

In DA2, the same could be said for Meredith. She  wasn't as grey as Loghain and she certainly was crazy, but she cared about Kirkwall and thought she was doing what was best for her city. In many ways, she wasn't anymore evil or crazy than Anders.

 

In Inquisition, all of the villains (including Cory) are just outright evil just for the purpose of being evil. Cory may have a purpose, but it's poorly written. None of his minions have a reason to follow him (I guess just mind control). And none of them are subtle in the slightest about their "evilness". It's a shame they didn't do better with this. They could have at least added in one grey villain to balance out Cory like they did with Loghain and the Archdemon.

[Ashagar]

I am guessing you didn't really pay attention to what Corypheus's motivations were and why the Venitari were following him I take it.

[moxiegraphix]

Inquisition really is lacking in subtlety with its villains and writing. Bioware stories have never been overly compelling beyond character interactions and companion writing, but they really could have done better with Inquisition.

 

They were on the right track with Loghain in Origins. The Archdemon certainly wasn't any sort of great villain, but "grey" villains like Loghain who truly believe they are doing what is best are the best kind. 

 

 

The archedemon wasn't really the villain of the story in DA:O. One might argue the Blight was the true villain but, in the end, it was Loghain. Just my opinion anyway. The archedemon may have been 'the boss fight' but it wasn't the true villain of the story.

[In Exile]

Irenicus. Amazing.

Instead of a villans exposition you get:

Jon- "I will no longer listen to the babbling of ignorant children."

Epic. He was a tough nut to crack, but oh such a wonderful villan.

He was a terrible villain. He just had good character dialogue. He follows the same path of threatening to ineptitude that Corypheus followed in DAI.

What makes Irenicus work so well and what makes every other Bioware villain (besides Sun Li) not work as well is that they don't have great *dialogue*.

[Kinsz]

Its not always bad when Villains reveal their plans , i thought Sovereign looked bad ass doing it in ME1.

[panamakira]

You know this is the fifth Thread I've seen today that reads exactly the same:

 

"Worst Bioware _________ Ever"

 

Fill in the blank with anything you like and we get the BSN. Remember, it's the worst EVER!

[Precursor Meta]

I try not to look to much into things.

[Bob Walker]

You know this is the fifth Thread I've seen today that reads exactly the same:

 

"Worst Bioware _________ Ever"

 

Fill in the blank with anything you like and we get the BSN. Remember, it's the worst EVER!

 

 

Normally, those posters are contestants to the title of "Worst Troll Ever", but the competition is fierce.

[Medhia_Nox]

I have yet to see a truly excellent video game villain. 

 

Though I will say - some of the greatest classical villains had their share of monolog.  I'm looking at you Dracula.  Although true, he did not reveal his "big plan" in his monologues as much as he simply implied, super heavily, the fate of his captive Mr. Jonathan Harker.

 

What villain isn't pathetic?  What villain isn't inept?  They are all doomed to failure - even the ones who "succeed" at the end.  The reality is that "bad people TM" don't get away with their bullshit forever. Kings and movie producers are just brought down from the inside instead of by a group of outcasts who have banded together.

 

Even the worst people through history reportedly got their comeuppance at the hands of people who had had enough of their crap (see: Assassination). 

 

The "problem" is the construct of the "D&D Narrative" - five plucky high-school archetypes band together to overthrow the classical arrogant monolog villain. 

 

But the other "problem" is that you can't tell the story of how seemingly all powerful villains are brought low.. in the scope of one story - because in reality some people have proven SO powerful that it takes many separate people, in many of their own individual stories to bring down tyrants. 

 

Also - you people can't have quality prose AND insanely complex gameplay - that game would take forever to craft.  Either you want interactive story-telling novel-games (I've played some - they're good) - or you want intense gameplay mechanics character builders - OR, a weaker version of both.

 

Are we on the BSN the young people who haven't yet learned the life-lesson that you almost never ever get your cake an eat it too?  Everything is a compromise.

 

All that considered - Corypheus was not the worst villain I've seen in computers games.

[idspisp0pd]

You know this is the fifth Thread I've seen today that reads exactly the same:

 

"Worst Bioware _________ Ever"

 

Fill in the blank with anything you like and we get the BSN. Remember, it's the worst EVER!

 

Hyperbolic thread titles: worse than the Holocaust

[TheGlen]

I was asking cause there is a kind of saying in Sweden: Everyone from Göteborgs name is Glen x)

Family was from Wales actually.  Name was a compromise, still nobody seems to come from Wales but me.

[Solbranthius]

Eh, I really liked Florianne's portrayal. She's one of my favourite characters in the game and she has a very 'Cersei Lannister' vibe about her. She's very sly, devious and intelligent but her biggest weakness is her overconfidence and arrogance - which is very fitting of someone in her position. 

 

I think the whole point of that particular quest was to show the extent of the rot within Orlais - neither Celene, Gaspard, Florianne or Briala are without dark secrets. Florianne just happened to be the one who went further than all the rest.