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[In Exile]

It wasn't the ceasefire, but rather the lack of reasons for the war or why different factions had chosen who to stand behind. There was no moment with someone explaining why Celene was destroying everything, why Gaspard was a traitorous traitor who traitors, no one to speak of those caught in between. There was destruction, but that destruction would have been the same if the undead had swiped the area, if the Cory's forces had hit it.

To me, it didn't provide any real information or context for the conflict, it just felt destruction and desolution that didn't really build the story. As an example of what I would have preferred is actually the Hinterlands, which shows you on multiple situations the conflict between the Templars and Mages, where it is stemming from and how it is affecting those caught in between.

BTW, on the Elven uprising, I was also aware of TME, but it was still so weirdly handled on the game that for a long time I thought they just dropped it. But my favorite how they casually mention in war table operation that the Elves can use the Eluvians after making it such a huge plot point for the main story.

I totally understand where you're coming from, especially with regard to the Hinterlands. Not much I can say beyond agreeing with you on that point.

Where did you get the Eluvian war table mission? Is it if you side with Briala (which is an option that to me made no sense except along basically race relations reasons).

[lil yonce]

I didn't care for Florianne either. I think the Arishok may be the best villain in the DA series.

[In Exile]

Yeah, I remember the explanation as it made no sense at all for me. First of all because the Alieanage is within the city walls and he wasn't rushing to sell any of the other citizens to slavery. Secondly, by that logic his armies should have been putting all the villages near the Darkspawn to the sword.

It would have helped if the story had established him even as racist towards Elves, but there was no such moment.

The weirdest thing is that the elves eventually do fight back and repell the darkspawn (with the help of the wardens but still). I agree that making him a racist would actually have made more sense.

It all makes sense when you know the dev history. Originally Loghain was mind controlled by the archdemon - it involved his being exposed to the taint in some capacity.

[Hiemoth]

I totally understand where you're coming from, especially with regard to the Hinterlands. Not much I can say beyond agreeing with you on that point.

Where did you get the Eluvian war table mission? Is it if you side with Briala (which is an option that to me made no sense except along basically race relations reasons).

 

I got the three of them to unite and make peace, it was one of the missions I got after that. At least if I remember correctly, but I do remember a war table mission having a reference to the Elves being able to use Eluvians, as it made me have such a wait what moment.

 

And I didn't know about Loghain originally being influenced by the taint, as that would have made so many of his decisions actually reasonable. It's also weird to think what would happened in the ME trilogy if they had gone through it, because even if they have different dev teams, I still doubt they would have ran two plot points that were so similar.

[Chuvvy]

An award with heavy competition to be sure.

[ElementalFury106]

Starchild.

 

LOL BRUH

[In Exile]

I got the three of them to unite and make peace, it was one of the missions I got after that. At least if I remember correctly, but I do remember a war table mission having a reference to the Elves being able to use Eluvians, as it made me have such a wait what moment.

And I didn't know about Loghain originally being influenced by the taint, as that would have made so many of his decisions actually reasonable. It's also weird to think what would happened in the ME trilogy if they had gone through it, because even if they have different dev teams, I still doubt they would have ran two plot points that were so similar.

There were lots of interesting dropped ideas in DA. One of them was that there would be no US - you just needed a magic GW sword.

In any event, yes, I would have thought the Eluvian would have played a much bigger role. It was shocking.

[KaiserShep]

I didn't care for Florianne either. I think the Arishok may be the best villain in the DA series.

 

Well, Florianne doesn't really have the buildup leading into her reveal that she was part of the Guild of Calamitous Intent all along, but yeah, the Arishok is easily one of the most memorable villains in the DAverse for me, made even more interesting in that you can resolve the conflict by betraying an ally.

[Medhia_Nox]

I read a criticism of DA:I - "Show don't tell."

DA:I is EXACTLY what happens when a video games "shows" and doesn't "tell" it's audience.

 

It showed the devastation of the civil war - the mage/templar conflict - the growing power of the Venator...

But because it didn't expressly tell you how important you were in these issues... these parts of the game "don't directly relate to the story."

 

DA:I may actually be an example of Bioware giving way too much credit to its audience in a literary sense.

[ashlover mark 2]

Why people give Bioware so much damn credit these days when it comes to their writing is beyond me. These are the people that gave us Horizon in ME2 and the plot hole ridden, lore shattering story of ME3. Stop seeing the name Bioware and automatically putting them on a pedestal. 

[Chenoah]

I knew it was her upon first meeting her. She just had the look I guess. 

[Foolsfolly]

Florianne is an example of everything that is wrong with recent BioWare games and especially Inquisition. Wicked Eyes was a great quest, full of intrigue and mystery. This is one of the ONLY times in this game that I actually felt like a ****** inquisitor; attempting to puzzle out the assassin's identity.

 

All until the point of Florianne's idiotic reveal. 

 

Seriously, what kind of a moron reveals her plans to the only entity at the ball who can stop her, and then simply LEAVES the hero behind without seeing him captured/dead? You just gave away your plans and now you're going to take a chance by leaving the only loose end (who shouldn't ****** be there in the first place) behind? Why would ANYONE, let alone an expert at the "game" do something this stupid? Is this a Mortal Kombat story or a deep RPG with complex characters?

 

This makes me think that BioWare assumes that the player is stupid and is unable to piece out the evidence and find the assassin himself. The quest would've been so much better if you actually had to deduce the assassin from the evidence you gathered and were able to make a mistake (but oh no, god forbid we let the player lose from time to time. Let's just take him by the hand and guide him through the entire game). 

 

That's bad... but everything about Florianne is bad. From the moment she showed up on screen I told my roommates, "That's the assassin." It was just too obvious.

 

The mission itself was a fantastic idea. But the execution... Eh.

[errantknight]

Didn't have a single problen with that whole questline. I'm getting pretty sick of this forum, though. There's just nothing it can't suck the fun out of.

[Fullmetall21]

Why people give Bioware so much damn credit these days when it comes to their writing is beyond me. These are the people that gave us Horizon in ME2 and the plot hole ridden, lore shattering story of ME3. Stop seeing the name Bioware and automatically putting them on a pedestal. 

 

I get the whole me3 thing but what was wrong with Horizzon back in me2? sorry I haven't been on the BSN so long to know and I honestly thought it was really good

[ashlover mark 2]

I get the whole me3 thing but what was wrong with Horizzon back in me2? sorry I haven't been on the BSN so long to know and I honestly thought it was really good

The mission itself is good. My gripe is with the Virmire Suvivor reunion. ****** poor writing for both Shepard and Ash. Just to force conflict that wasn't needed.

[zeypher]

Its a bioware game, always go expecting that their characters work with an IQ of 50, slightly intelligent will have of 80. So stop expecting amazing story, decent villains  all i want is a serviceable game that works alright.  Expecting subtlety from them is a pointless waste of time.

 

Hell the entire wicked hearts mission was terrible so many references to their novels, im sorry but i refuse to read crappy game based novels. They have always been terrible and i rather not waste time on them. That mission was designed for people who read the books. 

[moxiegraphix]

I'm telling you guys. This isn't the worst bioware writing ever. This is.

 

http://youtu.be/m571N7uGRyw?t=3m12s

 

Starting at 3:12ish if the link didn't work correctly. The ending seals it.

[TEWR]

Florianne isn't the sole person that does this in Inquisition. Erimond does it as well I believe. This is a common thing in video games where villains and enemies will spell out their plans in full detail to you simply because you asked nicely.

 

And it's a thing I hate with a burning passion. It's part of why I enjoy Loghain so much, messy writing though he holds. As veeia said, WE&WH is a mess of a quest. The Orlesian Civil War itself is a mess. All the wars in the game are a mess and many of the quests therein.

[tmp7704]

Yeah, I remember the explanation as it made no sense at all for me. First of all because the Alieanage is within the city walls and he wasn't rushing to sell any of the other citizens to slavery. Secondly, by that logic his armies should have been putting all the villages near the Darkspawn to the sword.
 
It would have helped if the story had established him even as racist towards Elves, but there was no such moment.

It's not so much racism but cold calculation on his part -- the slavers just want fuel for their blood magic, so it doesn't really matter to them who they buy. But as far as opinion of your subjects goes, it's much easier to pawn off the part of population that few will defend (and which is unarmed, and conveniently lives right in the country's largest port city, ready for delivery) than trying to sell your human denizens. If just because when you try that the other human denizens get far more upset about it than they do if you get discovered selling city elves.

[Zeroth Angel]

Didn't have a single problen with that whole questline. I'm getting pretty sick of this forum, though. There's just nothing it can't suck the fun out of.

Meh, the DA:I forum is pretty tame.

 

You should have been here when ME3 was released.

[Ogillardetta]

LOL BRUH

What? There's isn't even any real competition. Florianne did not magically appear and forced me to trust her because plot. I could even say I suspected it was her before she made her big MWHAHAHA! so you know not "biowares worst writing evar!!1!"

Frankly I'm happy the villans are classically evil in this game. I've had enough "mysterious and hard to understand" villans to last me a while tbh.

[Persephone]

What? There's isn't even any real competition. Florianne did not magically appear and forced me to trust her because plot. I could even say I suspected it was her before she made her big MWHAHAHA! so you know not "biowares worst writing evar!!1!"

Frankly I'm happy the villans are classically evil in this game. I've had enough "mysterious and hard to understand" villans to last me a while tbh.

 

Eamon did, though. And there was no way to refuse working with him. Or to avoid the Warden committing mass murder to find a relic that may not even exist. Because an obscure legend says that it may help cure people. With no evidence given anywhere. But the Warden has to go, 'cause plot. But that's ok 'cause......Alistair likes him? (Always nice to have a neglected kid liking his abuser) or because of his fake grandfatherly mentor act?

 

Can you tell that I can't stand the treasonous snake?

[lil yonce]

Well, Florianne doesn't really have the buildup leading into her reveal that she was part of the Guild of Calamitous Intent all along, but yeah, the Arishok is easily one of the most memorable villains in the DAverse for me, made even more interesting in that you can resolve the conflict by betraying an ally.

That is her key issue. Her execution is cheesy. I also liked Sister Petrice, Duke Prosper, and Legacy Corypheus.

[WildOrchid]

I liked Florianne but the reveal scene was off. You'd expect a master of the game to not reveal secrets and such.

Like, just send your loons to fight the quizzy without taking a part and plan Celene's assassination. Alive or no alive quizzy, you'd still had the chance to kill the Empress. Tsk...

 

But i guess they had to do it so you'd get the option to save the Empress. Eh, i still enjoyed the mission tbh.

[holdenagincourt]

Lol florianne was the classic villain.

 

telling you her entire plan and then never staying to make sure you don't escape  

 

If she had stayed to "make sure" the Inquisitor died, she would have just died there too, given that you defeat her in open combat shortly thereafter anyway.

 

I mean telling the Inquisitor her plan is a silly villain trope, but there's no way Florianne was going to personally make sure the Inquisitor fell in battle once the fight broke out.