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[sandalisthemaker]

Bianca is awful.

[Elsariel]

Didn't Varric say we weren't seeing her at her best? I don't hate Bianca and the little threat at the end made me chuckle. I don't see what all the fuss is about. I do wish we had gotten to see more of her - I wish she had stuck around to help fix things but oh well.

[SurelyForth]

Bianca is awesome.

 

Plus if we are going to blame her for helping Corypheus get Red Lyrium, let's also blame Varric since he did much worse. He both brought Red Lyrium to the world and helped release Corypheus. 

 

Bartrand brought Red Lyrium into the world, not Varric. That was a pretty huge plot point in DA2, actually. 

 

And even pretending Varric did bring the idol back with him- how was he supposed to know it was bad? Bianca was well aware of how horrible the stuff was when she decided to look into it. 

[Grieving Natashina]

While Bianca was interesting, her whole plot line could have been easily filled in by someone else.  Take away the connection to Varric, and she really could have been any witty, smart, pretty dwarf.  Bianca's appearance felt like the writers were saying, "See, she's a real live person!" without really anything else to add to it.

 

Oh, but let's make sure to kick Varric square in the heart to have her betray him.  As we all know, he's never been betrayed on an epic level by someone he trusts and cares for.  Oh wait...

 

And as was pointed out, I can judge someone for throwing goats at Skyhold's walls.  I can judge a Warden for the more serious crimes surrounding Adamant and the use of blood magic.  With Bianca though, I'm smelling Plot Armor.  I think the only reason why we can't judge her for being yet another character being handed a giant Idiot Ball is because she's Varric's squeeze.  I also facepalmed the first time I found out how she got ahold of the lyrium.  Because Larius looks oh-so-trustworthy and not-at-all half ghoul.  Janeka is a different story, and makes the deception reasonable.  Still, I'd love to hear an explanation for Larius.  

 

I also didn't see any sign of this being the final straw between her and Varric.  They were still exchanging quips like an old married couple until she left.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bartrand brought Red Lyrium into the world, not Varric. That was a pretty huge plot point in DA2, actually. 

 

And even pretending Varric did bring the idol back with him- how was he supposed to know it was bad? Bianca was well aware of how horrible the stuff was when she decided to look into it. 

Varric was Bartrand's partner. If it wasn't for Varric getting Hawke, Batrand would never have found it. Plus Varric wanted to bring it to the surface just as much as Bartrand did. 

Bianca trusted a Grey Warden who said they would handle it. The Dwarves respect the Wardens specifically because they know how to handle Blighted things. 

[Ryzaki]

Oh god yeah I had Larius too.

 

Who would trust someone that looks like he did? O_o

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh god yeah I had Larius too.

 

Who would trust someone that looks like he did? O_o

Dunno.  I sure as hell wouldn't, which is why I picked him in Legacy.  I had a feeling that whole situation was going to come back to bite the player in the ass, so I picked the Warden that looked the most screwed up.  

 

Otherwise, an envy demon impersonating him in a non-ghoulish way, maybe?  That's about all I can come up with.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh god yeah I had Larius too.

 

Who would trust someone that looks like he did? O_o

Hawke, Varric, any other companion you brought with you on Legacy. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Hawke, Varric, any other companion you brought with you on Legacy. 

Not after that voice change at the end, and Hawke was questioning Larius' sanity the entire time.  With Janeka, you can question her and show a lot of distrust as well.

 

My Hawke trusted him only the barest bit more than the obviously power-hungry mage with an extremely caustic personality.  It was another case of the lesser evil for poor Hawke: The corrupted and ghoulish Warden-Commander, showing signs of delirium, or the mage on an ego-trip playing with forces that even my mage Hawke could tell were beyond Janeka's control.  Or being stuck in that prison until she died/turned ghoul/turned broodmother (for the lady Hawkes.)  

 

Hawke is truly the biggest whipping post for the writers.  S/he can not and probably never will get a break.

[Ynqve]

Not after that voice change at the end, and Hawke was questioning Larius' sanity the entire time.  With Janeka, you can question her and show a lot of distrust as well.

 

My Hawke trusted him only the barest bit more than the obviously power-hungry mage with an extremely caustic personality.  It was another case of the lesser evil for poor Hawke: The corrupted and ghoulish Warden-Commander, showing signs of delirium, or the mage on an ego-trip playing with forces that even my mage Hawke could tell were beyond Janeka's control.  Or being stuck in that prison until she died/turned ghoul/turned broodmother (for the lady Hawkes.)  

 

Hawke is truly the biggest whipping post for the writers.  S/he can and probably never will get a break.

 

This! Trust is the wrong word, but everything about Janeka screamed CRAZY LADY, STAY AWAY and Larius was right about everything. He warned you about Corypheus, he warned you about Janeka and when he got possessed I was relieved that he looked like a zombie and didn't hold any position of power within the wardens anymore. 

 

Edit: I'm now imagining the exchange between Bianca and Larius. "Whelp, you look like a ghoul but since Wardens are supposed to be tainted I'm just gonna go ahead and give you this really scary lyrium that we know nothing about. What could possibly go wrong?"

[Ryzaki]

Hawke, Varric, any other companion you brought with you on Legacy. 

 

You do realize they trusted him because they were trapped in that tower with no way out right?

 

 

Dunno.  I sure as hell wouldn't, which is why I picked him in Legacy.  I had a feeling that whole situation was going to come back to bite the player in the ass, so I picked the Warden that looked the most screwed up.  

 

Otherwise, an envy demon impersonating him in a non-ghoulish way, maybe?  That's about all I can come up with.

 

Yeah that should've ending differently. Bah.

[SurelyForth]

 

Varric was Bartrand's partner. If it wasn't for Varric getting Hawke, Batrand would never have found it. Plus Varric wanted to bring it to the surface just as much as Bartrand did. 

Bianca trusted a Grey Warden who said they would handle it. The Dwarves respect the Wardens specifically because they know how to handle Blighted things. 

 

 

Ok, so Varric facilitating an expedition unrelated to finding red lyrium and his brother absconding with an idol made of something unseen for ages means he's more to blame than Bianca actively seeking out red lyrium, despite knowing what it does, and getting someone she doesn't know that well involved? Also, as others have said, Larius is, Warden or no, not someone anyone with any sense in their head should trust with a secret that huge. 

 

So, no. He's absolutely not more to blame. 

[Br3admax]

Yeah, I'm failing to see how Bianca isn't to blame for literally almost all of the red lyrium currently on the surface. Varric didn't cause that, and given that red lyrium has to be constantly nurtured, I wouldn't be surprised if all of the lyrium on the surface came from Bianca's folly instead of Bartrand's. 

[RobRam10]

I just want to grab her and break her spine with my knee.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You do realize they trusted him because they were trapped in that tower with no way out right?

I'm talking about them not seeing anything wrong with him after he became Corypheus wearing a Larius suit.

 

Ok, so Varric facilitating an expedition unrelated to finding red lyrium and his brother absconding with an idol made of something unseen for ages means he's more to blame than Bianca actively seeking out red lyrium, despite knowing what it does, and getting someone she doesn't know that well involved? Also, as others have said, Larius is, Warden or no, not someone anyone with any sense in their head should trust with a secret that huge. 

 

So, no. He's absolutely not more to blame. 

Yes. Without his interference, neither Red Lyrium or Corypheus would have been exposed to the world.

Again, why not trust the Grey Wardens who know more about the Blight than anybody else?

And there has been no character ingame who didn't fall for Larius not being Larius. 

[Ynqve]

I'm talking about them not seeing anything wrong with him after he became Corypheus wearing a Larius suit.

 

Yes. Without his interference, neither Red Lyrium or Corypheus would have been exposed to the world.

Again, why not trust the Grey Wardens who know more about the Blight than anybody else?

And there has been no character ingame who didn't fall for Larius not being Larius. 

 

By the same logic it's Anders fault. If he never gave them the map, they wouldn't have gone through with the expedition and everything from the mage/templar war to Corypheus wouldn't have happened! 

[Br3admax]

Yes. Without his interference, neither Red Lyrium or Corypheus would have been exposed to the world.

Hawke found the idol and Hawke gave it to Bartrand, so....point? Not to mention the seals were weakening. Cory was already going to escape. 

Again, why not trust the Grey Wardens who know more about the Blight than anybody else?

Why get more lyrium in the first place? Especially in a world state where Bartrand is dead. 

 

 

And there has been no character ingame who didn't fall for Larius not being Larius. 

Who cares? There was no reason to give him red lyrium to begin with. She should have left it in the Deep Roads where it belonged. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

By the same logic it's Anders fault. If he didn't bring them the map, they wouldn't have gone through with the expedition and everything from the mage/templar war to Corypheus wouldn't have happened! 

He is partly to blame as well, yes. So is Hawke. 

 

 

Hawke found the statue and Hawke gave it to Bartrand, so....point? Not to mention the seals were weakening. Cory was already going to escape. 

Why get more lyrium in the first place? Especially in a world state where Bartrand is dead. 

Who cares? There was no reason to give him red lyrium to begin with. She should have left it in the Deep Roads where it belonged. 

The point is without Varric and Batrand planning the expedition, it would not have been found.

Because a certain Knight-Commander slaughtered a Circle thanks to it driving her insane. People tend to research things that can do bad things so they know how to stop it. 

Again, when researching something that has the Blight, having a Warden help is only logical since nobody knows more about the subject than them. 

[Precursor Meta]

The threat about the eyeballs kind of caught me offguard. I was like is the Inquisitor gonna have to choke a ******!?

But sadly, I didn't have the option to.

[Ynqve]

He is partly to blame as well, yes. So is Hawke. 

 

So how far back are you willing to go? Is it Leandra's fault as well? She failed to convince Hawke to stay in Kirkwall, and the expedition would probably have failed without Hawke's involvement.

[sandalisthemaker]

So how far back are you willing to go? Is it Leandra's fault as well? She failed to convince Hawke to stay in Kirkwall, and the expedition would probably have failed without Hawke's involvement.

 

Nah, don't you see? Leandra's at fault for giving birth to Hawke and Flemeth is at fault for saving Hawke's life.

[Ynqve]

Nah, don't you see? Leandra's at fault for giving birth to Hawke and Flemeth is at fault for saving Hawke's life.

 

Lol, I was so close to typing that xD 

 

Btw, it's totally Gamlen's fault. If he hadn't messed up the family fortune then Hawke wouldn't have had to go on the expedition. 

[Ryzaki]

I'm talking about them not seeing anything wrong with him after he became Corypheus wearing a Larius suit.

 

That was plot dumb. And Hawke can kind of call him out on it. You just can't do anything about it.

[Br3admax]

Varric's entire house is to blame. As is every ancestor of Hawke and Anders. They all started this!

The point is without Varric and Batrand planning the expedition, it would not have been found.

It would have been found eventually. However, when that substance is completely removed from the surface, for a reason mind you, that isn't the cue to run underground and get more. The current situation is completely Bianca's fault. All of it. Literally every bit of red lyrium was discovered because of her giving it away for no reason besides, "I'm curious." That's like me blaming you for a car you sold to somebody being involved in an accident. 

Because a certain Knight-Commander slaughtered a Circle thanks to it driving her insane.

And? That should be the first warning to stay away. If something can make things float, tear open the veil, and bring statues to life, you do not pick it up. You do not ingest it. You back the **** up, you calm the **** down, and you get the **** out of dodge. Do not Pass Go! Do not collect $200.

 

People tend to research things that can do bad things so they know how to stop it. 

Or, when it's no longer a problem, you keep it secure and try to destroy it. No one's studying darkspawn when they find them. They kill them. They eradicate them. They destroy their breeding grounds. The only things worth studying are microscopic, and lyrium isn't microscopic and Thedas is nowhere near that advance technologically. 

 

Again, when researching something that has the Blight, having a Warden help is only logical since nobody knows more about the subject than them.  

The logical thing would be to let the Primeval Thaig rot and get on with one's life. Maybe even try to destroy all the lyrium there. That would be logical. Not giving not just samples, but the actual location of some of the most dangerous substance ever discovered to anyone. Especially not a Grey Warden with their "I will do what I must to stop the Blight" attitude. 

[Hair Serious Business]

Bianca is awesome.

 

Plus if we are going to blame her for helping Corypheus get Red Lyrium, let's also blame Varric since he did much worse. He both brought Red Lyrium to the world and helped release Corypheus. 

Main difference is that Varric is really sorry! Varric is not justifying himself in here in fact he is blaming himself too much and trying to fix things with acknowledging his past actions,while Bianca does $hit then lies you and uses you to fix her mess and when you find out truth she is not even sorry lol She justifies her actions not showing a bit of real remorse for what she has done,instead she goes like "well it's fixed now so what" like her past actions never cause or are still causing lot of harm.She is way too much like Anders and Tallis in here.

So no,I'm unable to like person as this at all! VO actress is one that is awesome but Bianca...