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[Ynqve]

It's just the icing on the cake honestly. I just guffawed when I first heard it because it was such a hypocritical thing for her to say.

 

yup, by that point I was already angry and disappointed with her. The threat was just the final drop. Everything that I think is wrong with Bianca can be found in that precise moment. Let's make a list, shall we?

• She gets away with stuff that other characters wouldn't get away with (handing the red lyrium to Cory AND she threatens the Inquisitor without any real consequences. She doesn't get jailed by the Inquisition, she's not facing repercussions from the guild for sneaking out, Varric still loves her and Cory doesn't care about her).
• She's rude ("So what if I gave Corypheus an invaluable weapon, you totally fixed that mess for me. It's not my fault he's cray cray and is using it to murder people").
• Her and Varric's relationship is unhealthy (stringing him along for all of these years, betrays his trust by revealing the thaig location to Cory, jokes about how her family wants to kill him and then she threatens his boss because she "loves him". wtf?)
• The Inquisitor is hijacked by an awestruck robot when s/he talks to Bianca (You don't have the option to call her out on her bs, you can't bring her in for questioning/judgment and you can't tell her to f off)
• She doesn't have a personality, she has hyperboles (She's a better smith than Branka, she's a better marksman than Varric and she's a snarky badass who's not afraid of anyone or anything.)

If you're one of the lucky people who can look past all of that and go "nah, she's awesome!" then I'm glad for you. Trust me, I wish I liked her. When we found out that Varric wouldn't be a romance option all I wanted was to like Bianca. I wanted them to idk, get together for realises this time and have a happy ending or something. Or have it end in complete and utter tragedy. This is so far from anything that I would've expected (and that's not a bad thing per say), and frankly it's just underwhelming. Unless they pull something AMAZING with her or Varric in a DLC, she just feels like an epic fail from Bioware's part. They've been building hype around her for years and this is what we get? I expected more.  

[Shadow Quickpaw]

It reminds me of Sera post-Haven: "Hey Inquisitor; remember that war we talked about stopping? With little baddies I can fill with little arrows? THAT"S NOT A FREAKIN' ARCHEDEMON IS IT?!" And the Inquisitor doesn't have the option to yell: "How is this MY FAULT?!"

 

In both responses the Inquisitor is pissed on for something he/she has no control over.

[moxiegraphix]

It reminds me of Sera post-Haven: "Hey Inquisitor; remember that war we talked about stopping? With little baddies I can fill with little arrows? THAT"S NOT A FREAKIN' ARCHEDEMON IS IT?!" And the Inquisitor doesn't have the option to yell: "How is this MY FAULT?!"

 

In both responses the Inquisitor is pissed on for something he/she has no control over.

 

But Sera's not blaming you, really. She's just a little freaked out. You can tell her to start making sense.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Point was Isa wasn't person that you wanted to punch in face for messing whole thing up...at least at that time! Plus you knew Isa for years.

Bianca is random stranger that messes everything up,admits it and doesn't bother with "real sorry" part and as I already said countless times she goes with "Now it's fixed so what" like her mess never did or is still doing any harm.Now that kind of person makes that "joke" when all you want is to punch her in face.

And as someone in here already mentioned,we get to judge guy who threw ram at Inquisition but we don't get to judge Bianca who messed things up like she did...hell we even judge dead Florianne but not living Bianca.

Um, I wanted to have Isabela arrested for what she did after letting Aveline get her wish of kicking Isabela's behind. Yet either you give her to the Qun or she gets away scot free. Heck after learning more about her past in the comics giving her to the Qun is a lot more tempting. There is someone who needs to be punished for what they did. 

The time you know someone doesn't make any positive difference, in fact it can do the opposite.

We don't get to judge a lot of people who deserve judging. For example since they have connected crimes to what Bianca did, Varric. 

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Um, I wanted to have Isabela arrested for what she did after letting Aveline get her wish of kicking Isabela's behind. Yet either you give her to the Qun or she gets away scot free. Heck after learning more about her past in the comics giving her to the Qun is a lot more tempting. There is someone who needs to be punished for what they did. 

The time you know someone doesn't make any positive difference, in fact it can do the opposite.

We don't get to judge a lot of people who deserve judging. For example since they have connected crimes to what Bianca did, Varric. 

~disgusted noise~ I hate repeating stuff that already were said plus if I used quoting I would have to quote entire thread in here,so let's repeat it all shall we:

• Isabela is someone you know,your companion,your friend or just companion that knows you for YEARS! Plus she makes joke before whole Arishok mess and even when Arishok mess starts you still have option to yell at her and make some CHOICE about her.If you decided to keep her she is fair enough to not show in front of Hawke's face for 3 years and she BLAMES herself and UNDERVALUES herself comparing to other companions while Bianca justifies herself and her action plus she doesn't feel sorry one bit,plus you just met her,plus she used you,plus you just found out truth and plus she makes 'bad joke threat' and plus she walk away free without you having ANY choice in this matter! As I already said at least you get some CHOICE with deciding what to do with Isabela!
• "Threat jokes" are not FUNNY! Not amusing! Not Bada@@! And especially none of these things from random RUDE stranger that has just played you out without being sorry one bit!
• Varric is here to FIX things! Cassandra told him to leave but he STAYED and decided to FIX his own MESS while BLAMING himself in process and not bothering to JUSTIFY his actions,instead he admits his guilt all time and is beating himself with what he has DONE! Once again Bianca does NONE of these things! She uses you to fix HER mess! She is RUDE in process! And she makes "JOKE" as THAT! Like someone already said in here: It is not Inquisitor's fault if Varric gets killed by her own MESS!
• She is MARRIED! And this I will quote:
   

  Can I also say something else that bugged me about this whole BIanca/Varric thing? Bianca made her choice, while she wasn't happy about it, the point is it was a decision that put her in a position of safety and put Varric in danger. She decided Varric was not worth the risk of eloping, or leaving her husband for (this has been going on for over a decade may I remind you), but she is fine about putting his life in danger with their continued love affair. So leaving is too dangerous for her but hey, Varric's life doesn't matter as much! if she cared about Varric's safety she would have ended things but she hasn't. She even makes light of the fact that assassins try to kill him when they do see eachother!

  That's why that threat bugged me more than it should have because Bianca has no real regard for his life and you know what? You should have been able to say that. 
  
   

• AND IF YOU FIND HER THREAT FUNNY OR CUTE OR JUST JOKE THEN IN END I WILL JUST QUOTE THIS THING AS WELL:
   

  it's alot of george mcfly's up in here. somebody disrespects you, and you just take it and think it's cute like, "oh, Biff you're so funny. That crazy guy."  BS.

   

   

  

   

  Bianca's attitude is not cute.

   

[Hair Serious Business]

Um, I wanted to have Isabela arrested for what she did after letting Aveline get her wish of kicking Isabela's behind. Yet either you give her to the Qun or she gets away scot free. Heck after learning more about her past in the comics giving her to the Qun is a lot more tempting. There is someone who needs to be punished for what they did. 

The time you know someone doesn't make any positive difference, in fact it can do the opposite.

We don't get to judge a lot of people who deserve judging. For example since they have connected crimes to what Bianca did, Varric. 

I think now you are beating same statement that I already replied to,that others already replied to.So I won't bother repeating my own words again.

You find rude strangers making joke threats to you fine and cute,ok "whatever floats your boat",but I personally wouldn't allow my own parents to use this kind of joke on me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

~disgusted noise~ I hate repeating stuff that already were said plus if I used quoting I would have to quote entire thread in here,so let's repeat it all shall we:

 

Isabela is someone you know,your companion,your friend or just companion that knows you for YEARS! Plus she makes joke before whole Arishok mess and even when Arishok mess starts you still have option to yell at her and make some CHOICE about her.If you decided to keep her she is fair enough to not show in front of Hawke's face for 3 years and she BLAMES herself and UNDERVALUES herself comparing to other companions while Bianca justifies herself and her action plus she doesn't feel sorry one bit,plus you just met her,plus she used you,plus you just found out truth and plus she makes 'bad joke threat' and plus she walk away free without you having ANY choice in this matter! As I already said at least you get some CHOICE with deciding what to do with Isabela!

Then don't repeat yourself. You don't have to reply to every comment. 

 

As for Isabela, that makes no difference. In fact, that makes it worse. A stranger doing it bothers me less than a so-called colleague doing it does. Who cares what strangers think? I have no connection to them. But when someone who is supposed to be watching out for you does it? That makes me question keeping them around as a companion.

You get to make no rational choice involving what to do with Isabela. You get "Make her a Qunari slave" or "Let her get away with it". Nothing in-between. If she really cared for anyone but herself she would turn herself in to Aveline since she was responsible for the lives of hundreds or even thousands of people. Yet she is still her selfish self and does nothing. But using this on Bianca is projecting. Give her three years to think about then we can bring Act 3 Isabela in.

 

 

"Threat jokes" are not FUNNY! Not amusing! Not Bada@@! And especially none of these things from random RUDE stranger that has just played you out without being sorry one bit!

I agree completely. Never said they were. I just said it was like the threat Isabela or Leliana give Hawke if romancing Merrill or Inquisitor if romancing Josephine respectively. 

 

Varric is here to FIX things! Cassandra told him to leave but he STAYED and decided to FIX his own MESS while BLAMING himself in process and not bothering to JUSTIFY his actions,instead he admits his guilt all time and is beating himself with what he has DONE! Once again Bianca does NONE of these things! She uses you to fix HER mess! She is RUDE in process! And she makes "JOKE" as THAT! Like someone already said in here: It is not Inquisitor's fault if Varric gets killed by her own MESS!

I wish he could leave. Varric has proven himself to be a chronic liar. You can't trust liars, and I don't want someone I can't trust as part of my inner circle. Yet we can't punish him for anything he does either or even tell him to leave. And Bianca does help fix her mess by helping us shut down the Deep Roads Red Lyrium operation. If that is using us, then Varric is also using the Inquisition to fix his messes. The Mage-Templar War, the Red Lyrium, Corypheus, none of these would be happening at the moment Inquisition takes place if it wasn't for him. Others are to blame as well, but he is responsible. 

 

She is MARRIED! And this I will quote:

So I should hate her because she is married, or should I hate her because it is implied she and Varric are having an affair?

If the former, yeah no I support the institution of marriage so I'm not going to hate people for being married. 

If the latter, I do not like her for that but Varric is equally to blame. It takes two to have an affair. 

 

AND IF YOU FIND HER THREAT FUNNY OR CUTE OR JUST JOKE THEN IN END I WILL JUST QUOTE THIS THING AS WELL:

Again, I never said I liked her doing that threat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think now you are beating same statement that I already replied to,that others already replied to.So I won't bother repeating my own words again.

You find rude strangers making joke threats to you fine and cute,ok "whatever floats your boat",but I personally wouldn't allow my own parents to use this kind of joke on me.

Again, I never said I approved of her threat. I just said it was no different than the threats we get from followers. But I guess it's okay if friends threaten death, maiming, or castration because that's what friends do right? 

[Hair Serious Business]

Again, I never said I approved of her threat. I just said it was no different than the threats we get from followers. But I guess it's okay if friends threaten death, maiming, or castration because that's what friends do right? 

 

I think now you are beating same statement that I already replied to,that others already replied to.So I won't bother repeating my own words again.

You find rude strangers making joke threats to you fine and cute,ok "whatever floats your boat",but I personally wouldn't allow my own parents to use this kind of joke on me.

 

---THE END---

[Hanako Ikezawa]

---THE END---

And yet you seem to have no problem with other characters doing it, even defending Isabela doing it. 

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

-none- 

[Hair Serious Business]

Thanks  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Loves,sweethearts a little petition please.Can you both remove this comments I quoted simply because it goes way off topic.As long as it has to do with Bianca feel free to post anything you wish,personal agenda nope.So please just delete this two if it's not problem.

I hid the post like you asked. 

[Hair Serious Business]

I hid the post like you asked. 

As I said many thanks.

Feel free to argue defend your statements for this thread as long as you wish just no personal insults and arguing

[moxiegraphix]

Again, I never said I approved of her threat. I just said it was no different than the threats we get from followers. But I guess it's okay if friends threaten death, maiming, or castration because that's what friends do right? 

 

The main thing i have to say about this is there is a LOT I will accept from a friend that I won't tolerate from a stranger. Especially a stranger who just made a huge **** up herself and asked me to clean up her mess Bianca's 'threat' (real or a lame joke) was not from someone my character either knew nor really gave a damn about. Considering I not only helped fix her mess (and it's still not really fixed, there's red lyrium all over the place still) but I encouraged her boy toy to forgive her, she might want to rethink making threats to the one person who was, for a second, kind of on her side. But, really, the issue isn't just with the threat itself, but the lack of any recourse. Not even to simply 'ignores her' or "says nothing'. Maybe she really loves Varric. Maybe she doesn't. But her own actions put him at risk and will continue to until the Inquisition can finish mopping up her mistake.

 

As to Isabella, if she likes you enough to come back in DA2, you can totally betray her.

[Robert Trevelyan]

I'm actually kinda surprised by the responses above, and the veracity of the BLAME being pinned purely on Bianca, here.

 

As I see it here are two people who are absolutely, in every significant way, each other's soulmate. They are supposed to be together. There can be little question in that.

 

The problem is that their families and associations won't allow that. They've spent their entire lives sneaking about in order to be together, right up to the point where publicly it had to end. Not because they wanted it to, but because there was going to be pretty much an all out War if they did not.

 

Bianca has been forced into a loveless political marriage, against her will. Varric has had to do the noble thing and let that happen. By all accounts it sounds like that as his decision, and not what Bianca wanted. But it had to be.

 

I feel pretty sure her other half also understands the situation. In most politically arranged marriages that tends to be the case.

 

This does not mean that Varric and Bianca are not still together. Physically they very rarely can be. Even in terms of simply being in each other's company. But on every mental level they are. This is just the most recent obstacle, to their minds.

 

I don't believe that this will ever be *over* for either of them.

 

Is that entirely Healthy? Possibly not. But if you've spent a lifetime with somebody being in your life, and then your just told that you have to cut them off dead? If they mean that much to you, you can't.

 

This why Varric cannot be an LI. Because just like Bianca's husband will always play second fiddle to Varric, so would the player character always be playing second fiddle to BIanca.

[Kulyok]

I frankly don't care about Varric-Bianca relationship's unhealthiness. They're both adults, they're both mature enough to know what they're doing, Varric especially. And my own Hawke happily aided Anders in blowing up the chantry, so I literally can't throw stones in glass houses here.

 

But I do think we should've gotten a Judgement scene for Bianca. It may not have been her fault, but she gave Cory red lyrium! All right, I myself would let Bianca go for a huge Varric approval boost. I also suspect Varric would've intervened if I tried to imprison or execute her. But the option should have been there. That was my first thought after I finished Varric's quest.

 

(And, yeah, "ten times the smith Branka ever was" - not cutting it for me. I decided Bianca was lying and/or bragging. Golem-making is legendary stuff. A cool-looking crossbow? Not in the same league.)

[moxiegraphix]

(And, yeah, "ten times the smith Branka ever was" - not cutting it for me. I decided Bianca was lying and/or bragging. Golem-making is legendary stuff. A cool-looking crossbow? Not in the same league.)

 

Nobody even knows she made the crossbow so I'm not sure what she's bragging about except for some 'machine' her husband was off selling for her. It's the story Varric won't tell. They don't want it getting out. I took it as just bragging because Branka was a mad genius (the emphasis on mad/nutty). But Branka didn't make the golems, that was Caridin. She wanted his anvil so she could make them, she didn't create it herself. She DID create smokeless coal, which would be worth it's weight in lyrium in an underground city.

[Bugsie]

Whilst I don't feel like I've got a real handle on Bianca, I certainly didnt fall in love with her like I did Dagna and Scout Harding. Someone earlier mentioned plot armour, and that could well be of the Fiona variety and that's very unfortunate if it turns outs to be the case.

[Hawklyn Starblade]

Well like Varric does say, about Bianca; marrying the other guy, was the wedding she showed up for. Implying Bianca left Varric standing at the altar etc.

[Hair Serious Business]

Well like Varric does say, about Bianca; marrying the other guy, was the wedding she showed up for. Implying Bianca left Varric standing at the altar etc.

That little idiot really needs punch in his face to wake up from "Bianca".Seriously in DA2 Varric was only one I liked in DA:I his character is so ruined that I feel like he went "Anders" now in here.

[rda]

I just love reading this thread. Seeing (almost) everyone slag on Bianca. It's therapy for the rage I feel for what she did to Varric's characterization.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

I just love reading this thread. Seeing (almost) everyone slag on Bianca. It's therapy for the rage I feel for what she did to Varric's characterization.

I think Varric is soon to become:

[Baboontje]

I actually know Bianca's voice as Female Voice 1 from Saints Row. x) And to be fair, I'd have prefered her as our American voice. The one we have now needs to be smacked with an emotion stick. She rivals Mark Meer for blandness.

Ahem, anyway! I liked her but I didn't like not having the option of rebuffing her threat or even reassure her if your Inky is nice. But there are more instances like that where I want to set companions and NPCs straight. Yes Viv! I am talking to you!

[Lebanese Dude]

I don't think the writers intended for Bianca to necessarily be likeable.

Frankly I found Varrics story to be rather tragic and I think that's what the were going for.

Some peoples rage over her personality and hold over Varric is one reaction they were likely expecting.