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[tmp7704]

You're confused, clearly. Am I to defend all opinions that differ from yours? Am I the avatar of everyone?

No, just yours without grasping for straws every time you're shown wrong.

"There's no violence and blood on screen! it's all PG-13!"

*gets shown people getting their heads smashed in and blood splatters on screen, incidentally done just like they were in DAO*

"Ma-maybe it's not blood!"

Frankly, it's embarrassing. Not in the least because you immediately post stuff like:

and the PG-13 look and feel of DA:I isn't as endearing to me as the comically over the top splatter of DA:O

The tone of the game is brighter, shinier and PG-13. Perhaps you need a vacation from the intarwebs.

Apparently the blood splatter in DAO is comically over the top --and yet, at the same time it makes the game srs bsness-- while the same splatter in DAI is somehow pg-13.

Out of us two I'm really not convinced I'm the one who is confused here and could use a break.

[In Exile]

Westeros was a huge influence on Thedas when they made DA:O, though. Not sure what it is now. Power Rangers meets Peter Jackson's Middle Earth?

Westeros is a deconstruction of LoTR. DAO never tried to deconstruct fantasy beyond the themes that DAI carries forward, e.g. fallen elves. Don't confuse the political circumstances behind TW with an attempt to actually be gritty.

[tmp7704]

The wardens - Night's Watch. Same thing. Protecting the realms against an enemy who attacked it in the past.

I don't think that's something any fantasy series can claim as their own ever since the Rangers of the North.

[Medhia_Nox]

What exactly was "grim" about DA:O?

I do not find over the top ridiculous depictions of things "grim".  Modern art blood spatter!  Demon pimple wall art!  Gore gore gore gore!  Yeah - no, less is more for mature disturbing horror.

 

The DA universe is the slash flick of fantasy.

 

They can't even capture the "grim"dark of Warhammer - since nobody in DA ever fails ever (whereas everyone in Warhammer fails eventually)

 

World ending Blight?  Yeah, two people and some plucky teens will have that mopped up in a few months.

[tmp7704]

What exactly was "grim" about DA:O?

Maybe some people confuse it with Batman because they played human noble origin and their family is deeeeeeeeaaaaaaad.

[Rawgrim]

Westeros is a deconstruction of LoTR. DAO never tried to deconstruct fantasy beyond the themes that DAI carries forward, e.g. fallen elves. Don't confuse the political circumstances behind TW with an attempt to actually be gritty.

 

Where did I mention The Witcher exactly?

[Rawgrim]

I don't think that's something any fantasy series can claim as their own ever since the Rangers of the North.

 

Nope, but basically copying the oath from it is. It is the same thing as if I wrote a book about a bobbit named Silbo who has to go on a journey with 12 dwarves to the Homely Mountain, etc. It is a hack job.

[Joseph Warrick]

Maybe broodmothers were influenced by this thing from Clive Barker's Jericho which came out two years before origins. That game is long dead and so is its influence.

[Rawgrim]

Maybe broodmothers were influenced by this thing from Clive Barker's Jericho which came out two years before origins. That game is long dead and so is its influence.

 

Doubt it. But I did see one in an old Conan comic. A woman had been force fed by demonic creatures over a long period of time. She had gotten HUGE.

[Terodil]

Well in all fairness, it's damn hard to come up with a motif that has not been used by somebody somewhere, sometime before. Personally, I think the value is in novel, but consistent rearrangements.

[dlux]

DA:I is a PG13 game. It's no longer the "adult" universe DA:O started with, it's more like Baldur's Gate now.

Wat

 

WAT

 

I see you haven't played Baldur's Gate. Kill something and the bits fly all over the place, the intro video shows a dude getting murdered, etc.

 

[Dreamer]

Westeros is a deconstruction of LoTR. DAO never tried to deconstruct fantasy beyond the themes that DAI carries forward, e.g. fallen elves. Don't confuse the political circumstances behind TW with an attempt to actually be gritty.

 

I'm pretty sure Westeros is a deconstruction of Medieval history, specifically in Britain...

[Rawgrim]

I'm pretty sure Westeros is a deconstruction of Medieval history, specifically in Britain...

 

And norse mythology. Very very much norse mythology.

[Wolven_Soul]

 

Actually the Desire demon and the templar was a funny scene rather than a dark one, look at Leliana banter , if you let the demon take that man, She thinks that is maybe a good thing that the two of them will be happy (big laugh for me)....

Seriously the Desire demon appearance is little on the short side to try to be threatening or scarier or even dark just like any other demon in the Franchise aside from the Big  spider.

 

I'm sorry, you think it's a funny scene?  Whatever idiotic thing Leiliana says, it's still a pretty damned dark scene.  Let's break it down.

 

You have a templar who, though he has dedicated himself to his templar duty, has secretly always wanted to have a family.  He has probably seen other family's from time to time, and seeing the happy parents with the happy children, he wistfully thinks to himself about how happy he would have been to have a wife, to have children to love and guide and protect.  But he knows that he is never going to have this, that he has taken oaths to be a templar.

 

Along comes a desire demon who senses this man's secret desires because it's what they do.  She screws with his mind to make him think that she is his wife, that these other demons are their children.  She does for the purpose to basically feed off him or something.  I forget what it was that was actually said but someone mentioned that in time he would be basically drained and dead.  She has taken his secret dreams, and twisted them to her own twisted needs.  

 

Yeah, definetly not dark or anything.  I know what Leiliana says, I know what Morrigan says.  Doesn't make it any less twisted.

[Captain Wiseass]

I'm not the only one weirded out to see grotesquerie equated with depth, am I?

[KaiserShep]

I'm sorry, you think it's a funny scene?  Whatever idiotic thing Leiliana says, it's still a pretty damned dark scene.  Let's break it down.
 
You have a templar who, though he has dedicated himself to his templar duty, has secretly always wanted to have a family.  He has probably seen other family's from time to time, and seeing the happy parents with the happy children, he wistfully thinks to himself about how happy he would have been to have a wife, to have children to love and guide and protect.  But he knows that he is never going to have this, that he has taken oaths to be a templar.
 
Along comes a desire demon who senses this man's secret desires because it's what they do.  She screws with his mind to make him think that she is his wife, that these other demons are their children.  She does for the purpose to basically feed off him or something.  I forget what it was that was actually said but someone mentioned that in time he would be basically drained and dead.  She has taken his secret dreams, and twisted them to her own twisted needs.  
 
Yeah, definetly not dark or anything.  I know what Leiliana says, I know what Morrigan says.  Doesn't make it any less twisted.

Don't be long! The children would want to kiss you goodnight! I admit I was amused.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Dragon age origins and even 2 had some pretty messed up stuff in them, and it was great. The reanimated corpse of your mother in two, the brood mother in origins (who was awesome), just to name a few. Creepy enemies got cutscenes introductions to showcase their designs... I'm still waiting for this in DAI. Not to mention sad moments with lost party members, or even killing your party members who disagree.

So far it's pretty tame in comparison. Don't dumb down the story and skip out on contraversy bioware (and no, I'm talking a different kind of contraversy then sexuality etc... I'm talking the raw stuff, the emotional stuff, the scary mature stuff.

Make a real impression on your players... No boss in dai will ever come close to the brood mother, hell, the dark spawn in dai don't even get a cutscene to show off their new design, they just look like soldiers from a distance.

From a fan. Corypheus is cool, but so far he's been underused and has done little that is horrifying or memorable.

But you can have a wild and 'realistic' gay sex now. Some find it truly horrific.

Shift of the priorities, you know.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I can't be the only one who pictures all the characters floating into the sky every time I read this thread's title, can I?

[atlantico]

No, just yours without grasping for straws every time you're shown wrong.

"There's no violence and blood on screen! it's all PG-13!"

*gets shown people getting their heads smashed in and blood splatters on screen, incidentally done just like they were in DAO*

"Ma-maybe it's not blood!"

Frankly, it's embarrassing. Not in the least because you immediately post stuff like:

Apparently the blood splatter in DAO is comically over the top --and yet, at the same time it makes the game srs bsness-- while the same splatter in DAI is somehow pg-13.

Out of us two I'm really not convinced I'm the one who is confused here and could use a break.

 

Yeah, maybe it isn't blood because it sure doesn't behave like blood. It doesn't look like blood, it doesn't behave like blood... maybe it isn't blood. I say that because I did tick the "persistent blood and gore" in the options. So, evidently it's not blood. 

 

I am being facetious, of course, it's blood. It's PG-13 blood. It comes into existence for a second, then disappears. 

 

Clearly nuance is lost on you. That too bad, but it doesn't make the argument for you. It just demonstrates you're not capable of comprehending the argument. That's all.

[atlantico]

Wat

 

WAT

 

I see you haven't played Baldur's Gate. Kill something and the bits fly all over the place, the intro video shows a dude getting murdered, etc.

 

 

More like. Not the same as. 

 

That's all I have to say about your post.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

and the ball! : (

[SnakeCode]

Where did I mention The Witcher exactly?

Don't worry about it, people kinda jump the gun and make passive aggressive remarks about The Witcher games on these boards. It's because people always expect it to come up when discussing these kinds of topics because in truth, it's the game series that has the most in common with DA. Add in this being the Bioware forums, people don't like posters talking about things that TW does "better" than DA.

[TheMadBlimper]

Haha, okay, no. Were you guys paying attention to the plot of the game? There's a freaking hole in the sky, with lots of little holes in reality that have freakin demons pouring out of them, and you literally have to save the world or everybody dies. So the "gravity" is there. Then you get to see what red lyrium does to templars, which is *fun*, so it's kinda horrifying. This is also the first Dragon Age game to feature straight up nudity in the various romance plots. This game was fantastic, and proved to me that Bioware deserves a second chance after the debacle that was Mass Effect 3's ending.

[tmp7704]

I am being facetious, of course, it's blood. It's PG-13 blood. It comes into existence for a second, then disappears.

Again, it's graphically the same it was in DAO. But in DAI this portrayal is supposedly "PG-13" while in DAO it's at the same time "hilariously over the top" and apparently not PG-13.

Managing to hold two opposite views about two games with the same kind of graphical content isn't nuance. It's the cognitive dissonance I've mentioned. It may make sense in your head but outside of it... I'm sorry, it just doesn't. No matter how facetious you get about it.

[Wolven_Soul]

Don't be long! The children would want to kiss you goodnight! I admit I was amused.

Oh I was amused as well, but then I get amused by twistedly dark things all the time.