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[Firewing]

well OP had to know that people wouldn't agree with him/her I mean this is the internet of course

what did you expect? especially with such a exaggerated title ("best game ever") and OP did not even explain his/her thoughts

 

its not whining or crying people are just voicing their opinions

 
Sorry, but most of the time it's just whining and crying, really. No matter how much experience and excitement a game can provide, it's enough to make only one mistake and people instantly forget the good and start to forever remember the bad, while they tend to ignore the fact that they should avoid overhype if they want to enjoy anything in their lives. The game has flaws, but disappointment is as much the fault of the gamers as it is of the companies behind it. Besides, I talked about PUSHING opinions, not VOICING them. There's a difference. I encountered very intelligent criticism here, and surprise surprise, it showed that it can be done constructively too. As I said, I mainly referred to the "you're just a troll" kind of responses, which are reeking of disdain. This place being the internet doesn't fill them with any more sense.

So the OP "had to know" that people don't agree with him. Why? You say it like it's not obvious that other than our own opinion exists.  And why should he explain himself? Is it that impossible to entertain the idea of writing a post only to express thoughts toward the makers of the game, or fellow gamers who agree with him?

You ask me what did I expect, but better question what are the naysayers expect? A change of mind? Please. Anyone can accuse people with exaggerating, but what if it's not? If he really feels that way, contradicting opinions really doesn't matter, because the experience remains real for him, thus it cannot be exaggerating, only differing from yours on a personal level.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I'd say DAI is one of the better games of 2014 and admittedly, I didn't play that many games last year. It was all adventure and episodic games (The Wolf Among Us).  It restored some of my belief in Bioware. At least they still retained that unique RP trademark in their games. I'm still enjoying it. I'll probbaly get tired by, I don't know, later in the year.

[LS2GTO2006]

Mechanically, DAO is laughably outdated. It would take more than a graphical revamp to make any profit from people other than the quote-unquote hardcore fans.

You cannot, in good faith and with a straight face, say that the original KOTOR is more immersive than DAI. I would also contest the point with characters (I didn't find any of the main companions particularly interesting or compelling other than Bastila and Canderous Ordo, and Malak is a B-list villain at best).

HK-47?

[brad2240]

 So the OP "had to know" that people don't agree with him. Why? You say it like it's not obvious that other than our own opinion exists.  And why should he explain himself? Is it that impossible to entertain the idea of writing a post only to express thoughts toward the makers of the game, or fellow gamers who agree with him?

 

To be fair... this is the BSN. Anyone who's looked at more than 2 threads here should know that posting any opinion, much less one so bold as in the title, is opening yourself up to disagreement/criticism/trolling. And posting such a simple sentence doesn't help. Sure OP isn't required to explain himself but it sure would help give other posters, including those who agree, something to discuss, which is kinda the point of starting the thread isn't it?. At the very least, it could have made it more obvious whether the post was an honest opinion or trollbait.

 

Otherwise, I agree with you. Everybody is entitled to their opinion of the game and to express it. If the OP really enjoyed it that much more power to him. It reminds me of my first time playing ME 2, and that game has certainly received it's fair share of criticism.

[Star Reborn]

 
Sorry, but most of the time it's just whining and crying, really. No matter how much experience and excitement a game can provide, it's enough to make only one mistake and people instantly forget the good and start to forever remember the bad, while they tend to ignore the fact that they should avoid overhype if they want to enjoy anything in their lives. The game has flaws, but disappointment is as much the fault of the gamers as it is of the companies behind it. Besides, I talked about PUSHING opinions, not VOICING them. There's a difference. I encountered very intelligent criticism here, and surprise surprise, it showed that it can be done constructively too. As I said, I mainly referred to the "you're just a troll" kind of responses, which are reeking of disdain. This place being the internet doesn't fill them with any more sense.

So the OP "had to know" that people don't agree with him. Why? You say it like it's not obvious that other than our own opinion exists.  And why should he explain himself? Is it that impossible to entertain the idea of writing a post only to express thoughts toward the makers of the game, or fellow gamers who agree with him?

You ask me what did I expect, but better question what are the naysayers expect? A change of mind? Please. Anyone can accuse people with exaggerating, but what if it's not? If he really feels that way, contradicting opinions really doesn't matter, because the experience remains real for him, thus it cannot be exaggerating, only differing from yours on a personal level.

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[CronoDragoon]

I don't get how mechanics can be "outdated". They can be good or bad. In DA:O BW wanted to make their own rule set, which ended up being worse than a properly done D&D/AD&D, but still somewhat decent.
 
Now DA:I looks like a single player MMO. I don't get how this is "up to date", since WoW an LA were a while ago. I wouldn't even complain about it that much if they didn't screw up balancing so hard. Sure, a lot of RPGs suffer from that, but here it's pretty much broken out of the box. There's zero interest in combat after the first few levels.
 
At this point I would rather play an action game because there you at least need to mash the button at correct times, not just mash the button.

Remember the balancing in Origins, where you took 3 mages, specialized in Arcane Warrior and didn't have to touch any buttons to win?

Origins and the BG series suffer from the same issue, which is that the majority of the strategy simply involves knowing which skills are good and which ones are bad. Accordingly there are so. many. trash. skills in those games.

DA: I is much better at making every skill viable, but I think it cut too much out and varied builds have suffered as a result.

People may not want to hear this, but DA2 did certain things better than either of the other DAs when it comes to combat. It has the best Companion AI, and it does the best job at balancing amount of builds with amount of viable builds.

[Firewing]

To be fair... this is the BSN. Anyone who's looked at more than 2 threads here should know that posting any opinion, much less one so bold as in the title, is opening yourself up to disagreement/criticism/trolling. And posting such a simple sentence doesn't help. Sure OP isn't required to explain himself but it sure would help give other posters, including those who agree, something to discuss, which is kinda the point of starting the thread isn't it?. At the very least, it could have made it more obvious whether the post was an honest opinion or trollbait.

 

Otherwise, I agree with you. Everybody is entitled to their opinion of the game and to express it. If the OP really enjoyed it that much more power to him. It reminds me of my first time playing ME 2, and that game has certainly received it's fair share of criticism.

Ah, Mass Effect...sweet times.
Anyway, I don't argue what you say, you're right, it can be expected that some will be jumping on you whatever kind of topic you make. I just simply don't understand why are some of them so angry and aggressive about it, and cannot comprehend how can someone say that he "has to know" certain things, like it's a law of the universe. Weird. As for the point of starting threads, I almost started one too simply to express my thanks towards the people behind the game, without any need of feedback on my thoughts, so the "point" of them can be debated too, I guess.

 

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Did I say something wrong? Or I'm thinking of you incorrectly as a "he" when you are a "she"?

 

[o Ventus]

HK-47?

He isn't particularly compelling when 85% of his dialogue is some variant of "kill all meatbags". He's entertaining, certainly, but he isn't interesting.

[rigron]

LOL.

 

There are a lot of games you haven´t play in that case xD

 

It's just so perfect.

 

No, it´s not. It´s not an opinion, it is a fact: the game suffers from a lot of bugs, errors and glitches in all its versions (specially PC) so by the own meaning of the word "perfect" this game is not perfect. Then subjective matters come to play, and if you are telling me that this game has the best plot you have ever played, the best characters you have ever seen covering both companions, NPCs and villians, the best main quest you have ever played and the best sidequest you have ever played then...honestly, I would think you are trolling me if you say me that.

 

This game has well written companions and...well written companions. It´s not even better than the first game of this saga: Dragon Age Origins, it lacks a lot of options, features, specializations and skills past games had, it suffers from a lot of bad design decisions like the stupid, useless, ilogical 8 skills per character cap, the bad implement option to jump or the design of 90% of sidequest (it´s very clear that this game was initially designed as an MMORPG, which it was as I suppose you know) it´s story is too short (exactly 8 main quest) and the sidequest are simple, plain and boring, your decisions does not really have any consequence in the world or even the characters around you other than one dialogue line thrown sometimes, the gameplay divides between an absurd button mashing style (seriously, how is it possible that there is not an auto-attack option after attacking one enemy like it was in past Dragon Ages?) and a horrendously implemented tactical camera that suffers a lot from the genre change to Action RPG that wipes out turns so not only the tactical camera lacks a lot of options but it also works on a weird form.

 

It is a 6/10 - 6,5/10 game or, giving a lot of scope, a 7/10 game, which means it is an enjoyable game, specially if you like the characters and the relations between them, but it is not by any length a "great game" or even more laughably a "perfect game", "the best RPG (Action RPG actually) ever made" or anything even close to that. It is definitely better than Dragon Age 2 though, except in the Sidequests part.

 

He isn't particularly compelling when 85% of his dialogue is some variant of "kill all meatbags". He's entertaining, certainly, but he isn't interesting.

 

Did you fixed him with your skills? Because when he starts to regain his memory he tells you anecdotes of his past masters (1 anecdote for each repair) and it is very, very interesting. I always do all the repairs before confronting Malak for the first time.

[o Ventus]

 

Did you fixed him with your skills? Because when he starts to regain his memory he tells you anecdotes of his past masters (1 anecdote for each repair) and it is very, very interesting. I always do all the repairs before confronting Malak for the first time.

 

I remember that most of, if not all of his former owners all died either because of a freak accident or because they did something stupid, which prompted HK to shut down until he had a new master.

[Riddam]

Star Reborn, why do you try to spoil this? You and Lord of Mu had a good thing going on. These forums are way too easy.

[Shahadem]

Actually SK, I just think you dont like games as much anymore. Granted, I've only seen you on two boards, but on this and Evochron it seems like you cant recapture gaming excitement. That is exactly how I am too I guess, but this one slipped into my great game pile.

 

How?

 

This game does nothing better than any other game. The story is terrible, the combat is terrible, while the world looks fantastic is it is completely empty of purpose and interesting stories to discover, none of the companions stand out compared to previous Bioware games, all the companion quests are extremely lacking, many of the "choices" are just false dichotomies, and the number of times that the game removes your agency from you is plain insulting.

[Shahadem]

He isn't particularly compelling when 85% of his dialogue is some variant of "kill all meatbags". He's entertaining, certainly, but he isn't interesting.

 

He's interesting in the same way that the big reveal that Revan is actually Darth Revan is interesting.

[Shahadem]

Mechanically, DAO is laughably outdated. It would take more than a graphical revamp to make any profit from people other than the quote-unquote hardcore fans.

 

You cannot, in good faith and with a straight face, say that the original KOTOR is more immersive than DAI. I would also contest the point with characters (I didn't find any of the main companions particularly interesting or compelling other than Bastila and Canderous Ordo, and Malak is a B-list villain at best).

 

The only thing that is outdated about KOTOR is the graphics. The gameplay still holds up when compared to something like DAI's terrible combat, especially because the combat in KOTOR functions the way it does in order to make the combat look more cinematic. Specifically, light saber fights are supposed to look like actual light saber duals and not just like a rockemsockem robot fight. While there was room for improvement, the combat does succeed in making the fights look like something more than rockemsockem robots, something that most RPGs which were released even years later have been unable to figure out how to do. That's actually a funny point to bring up because SWTOR returns to rockemsockem robot fights. That's why bosses should not be treated any differently than players and should not have higher stats than players or else you end up with rockemsockem robot fights. A boss fight should be a really good PvP fight. But I digress.

 

KOTOR's story, companions,and gameplay all hold up against games like DAI. Especially since Malak actually feels like a threat (until you fight him and then the game resorts to giving him plot armor so he can escape, if you don't want me to kill the badguy then don't have me face the badguy until you do), unlike Coryphius.

[Asakti]

Yay for you OP.  But...well, I disagree.

 

DA:I is a good enough game.  It isn't perfect.  And it is far from my top games of all time.  Its just...good.  And sadly (for Bioware - who have made some of my favourite games [of all time]), that is kind of an insult.  I'm replaying the Mass Effect series again, which is sad considering DA:I - the game isn't amazing enough to make me desperate to replay it.  I've played it twice and ...well, that's enough for me.  ME2?  Its as awesome as it was the first time I played it.