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Implications of Cole


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Ranadiel Marius

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Darkspawn are supposedly sustained by just the Blight/Taint. I wonder if there is some connection there between what Cole is, sustained by the Fade, and what the Darkspawn are.

Well as pointed out in a post above, Cole mentions he doesn't need to eat is because of the Old Songs (quote below) and we know that Dark Spawn respond to the Old Gods' song.....so take of that what you will (clearly music=immortality).

 

 

 

Dorian: Do you need to eat, Cole? Or sleep?
Cole: I thought I had to. But I don't. The Old Songs can pull me.
 
Couple of side notes, Cole also mentions that the old songs echo in dwarves, almost like Templars. He also makes mention when talking to Varric that a song was sundered.


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Cole was fully human in Asunder, he had to eat and sleep, feels cold and hot, he has scent and taste, he sweat, breath, bleed and weep, he can even dream.

Asunder p.12:
"If he was dead, why did he still sleep? Why did he still hunger, and breathe, and sweat?"
Besides, if he was not fully human, then how could a spirit expert like Rhys traveled with him through half of Thedas and still believed that he was just a troubled young man? I have the same feeling that his physical form is too complicated for an illusion of spirit, thus could be an implication of something more. A quote from Dorian: “That's something. I don't know what, but it's something."

Btw, his cloth are real:
Dorian: Cole, are those real clothes, or-?
Cole: They're real. What else would they be?
Dorian: I thought maybe you'd conjured them, like your physical form.
Cole: Do you conjure yours? Is that why they look like that?
Dorian: Never mind, forget I said anything.

When Cole decided to be a human, he can be a fully human, even Solas admitted that he did not see this coming. Cole once said: “Not every spirit can do what I can do, but I can.” in the fade, so he must be a special case, something we’ve never seen before. I also wandered, since spirits are ancient beings, they must have seen many tragedies though out centuries, so why it must be Cole? And why now? Maybe this special circumstance was partially credit to the real Cole’s magical abilities, like the mage Cole was actually a Hedge mage or something?

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Darkspawn are supposedly sustained by just the Blight/Taint. I wonder if there is some connection there between what Cole is, sustained by the Fade, and what the Darkspawn are.

Well, that's interesting, isn't it?



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Cole was fully human in Asunder, he had to eat and sleep, feels cold and hot, he has scent and taste, he sweat, breath, bleed and weep, he can even dream.

Asunder p.12:
"If he was dead, why did he still sleep? Why did he still hunger, and breathe, and sweat?"
Besides, if he was not fully human, then how could a spirit expert like Rhys traveled with him through half of Thedas and still believed that he was just a troubled young man?

If you look one post up, you'll see that he says that he thought he had to eat and sleep (referring to the time in asunder) but he doesn't actually have to.

As for Rhys, Cole is very likely something not seen very frequently, and the implications seem to completely overturn some Chantry doctrine and probably more than a handful of magical theories, so missing details is sort of to be expected.

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What is a spirit but a mutable being that craves the "divine spark" of humanity. Of wholeness. There's no technical difference between spirit and demon, so is it possible there can be no difference between mortal and spirit? Humans have being but hunt for purpose. Spirits have purpose but hunt for being.



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I don't get how a spirit can suddenly manifest organs, skin, hair, and bodily fluids from thin air. Just how did this compassion spirit make its physical body? From what? And how?

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I don't get how a spirit can suddenly manifest organs, skin, hair, and bodily fluids from thin air. Just how did this compassion spirit make its physical body? From what? And how?

Presumably the same way a demon physically manifests in the mortal world.



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Demons generally need to possess something or someone, though the rifts play hard and fast with that rule in their vicinity according to Solas.

 

I suppose what the spirit that became "our" Cole did was a unique, extraordinary feat born from a overwhelming mix of shock, grief and the (thwarted) need to help. A bit like how some people, in really extreme cirumstances, can be capable of feats of strength or endurance or pain-suppression that sound unbelievable without the extreme pressure and desperate need. And even so, Cole was damaged in the process or already damaged from that mix of shock and grief, so much so that he forgot what he really was and refers to that time as if he was more a demon then.



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I don't get how a spirit can suddenly manifest organs, skin, hair, and bodily fluids from thin air. Just how did this compassion spirit make its physical body? From what? And how?

I would presume he used the essence of the fade to reshape the world to create a body, the same way mages reshape reality to make flame, lightning, or stone out of nothing. Same principle, just more complex.

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I don't get how a spirit can suddenly manifest organs, skin, hair, and bodily fluids from thin air. Just how did this compassion spirit make its physical body? From what? And how?

He's a spirit. An ethereal being from a plane literally made of dreams. I wouldn't put too much thought into how exactly the biology of it works, because the answer is most likely magic.