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Ranwulf

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Hey guys, I wanna ask if you thought the Kinloch Hold (Ferelden Tower Circle) was actually opressive and felt like a prison? I was checking TVTropes in this section:

 

http://tvtropes.org/...nAgeInquisition

 

Right over the talk between Cassandra and Cole, and the troper thought how opressive the Ferelden Circle was even though I actually thought it was quite benign and felt far more like Hogwarts in freedom than anything else. 

 

It also apparently seems like a prison, even though real prisons (at least most of them) don't have the same conforts or even system like the Mage Tower. What do you guys think about this?


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It's more akin to a quarantine zone. It's a place of learning for mages. Most can't leave due to the very real danger mages pose. We do know that trustworthy mages can leave with for extended periods of time though. Wynne and Finn are both allowed to.

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No, I don't think it as prison.

 

EDIT: Kirkwall's circle when Meredith started stricten the rules was different case, I think that become prison for the mages instead of place of education that it used to be.



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It's more akin to a quarantine zone. It's a place of learning for mages. Most can't leave due to the very real danger mages pose. We do know that trustworthy mages can leave with for extended periods of time though. Wynne and Finn are both allowed to.

 

Not just leave, but live elsewhere or even seek service with nobility, they just require permission from their first enchanter. Kirkwall being an obvious exception to that rule and is far closer to an actual prison.


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Besides there already is a mage prison - Aeonar.



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Fereldan's Circle is described as one of the most liberal. It also makes sense that the Fereldan Monarchy would give the Mages refuge in Redcliffe. Magic is straight up feared everywhere on Thedas other than Ferelden (who are more creeped out by it than anything else barring the obvious exception), Rivain, and Tevinter.


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The Circle feels like a prison during the origin segment, but as the game progresses, we learn that Greagoir actually kept his templars on a short leash and that for all his antagonistic relationship with Irving, he defers to the First Enchanter in many affairs.

 

This entire passage is fancruft and #MYFEELS. Kinloch never feels like a prison, the place was lukewarm at best. Greagoir and Irving didn't have an antagonistic relationship, they bickered about Wardens for five seconds, but every other interaction between them is mutually respectful and even friendly. And Greagoir keeping his Templars on a tight leash, what? What is that even about?

 

Yeah there are awful Circles, but Kinloch was never as dramatic as that person makes it out to be.


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Besides there already is a mage prison - Aeonar.

Before DA:I came out I'd hoped we would get to go there!



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Well, the most of the characters state it's on a case by case basis. Some Circles are very lenient of their mages (such as Monthsimmard), going so far as to allowing some mages freedoms such as not having to live within the tower. Others, namely Kirkwall, were borderline gulag-like facilities where mages were punished with tranquility and execution for even the slightest mistakes (not crimes, mistakes: so much as even voicing opposition to Meredith's reign was grounds for Tranquility).

 

I view Fereldan's circle as something running in the middle of the pack: They aren't outright hostile to their mages, but Greagoir is a fairly stern, austere Knight-Commander. That said, Greagoir, while wary of mages and not quick to trust them, is reasonable and rational. He'll listen to reason and will not let his feelings or piety interfere with his duty and judgement. He even has a vitriolic sort of friendship with most of the senior mages. He's not going to do any mages any favors, and he'll follow his duty to the letter, but he won't persecute them or target them or treat them with overt hostility and animosity like Meredith. As well, he was willing to let certain mages perform business or duties outside the Circle if they were trustworthy enough. And his reign was certainly a relatively benevolent one, as none of the mages really had any problems that didn't come from themselves (like Anders and Jowan, who were more or less responsible for their own problems).


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Before DA:I came out I'd hoped we would get to go there!

To Aeonar? You can probably go there if you pick up this card:
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Fereldan's Circle is described as one of the most liberal. It also makes sense that the Fereldan Monarchy would give the Mages refuge in Redcliffe. Magic is straight up feared everywhere on Thedas other than Ferelden (who are more creeped out by it than anything else barring the obvious exception), Rivain, and Tevinter.

 

I would think Nevara would be pretty liberal about magic as well seeing how, according to what I've read, the Mortalitasi run the show there anyway and Mortalitasi are just noble born mages anyway. 



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I would think Nevara would be pretty liberal about magic as well seeing how, according to what I've read, the Mortalitasi run the show there anyway and Mortalitasi are just noble born mages anyway. 

 

Mortalitasi have their little niche. They get respect and such, but that's where it stops. It's not like Rivain where every community leader is a female mage with prophecy powers.



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Solas and Viv deserves to be put in a circle never to see the light of day ever again.