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[Rekkampum]

Hello, necro!

 

What I tell you about messing with Blood magic?

[Heimdall]

it's that even the strongest of demons avoid it in fear of the blight.

You made that up

[Neoleviathan]

You're assuming his soul persisted without a body to jump to. Not to mention the Black City is impossible to access from the Fade normally, even by spirits.

He does have a body to reach in the Fade though. I guess it could be handwaved... That just by being in the Fade Cory no longer needed the Dragon to do his body hop ability ( all that raw power & what not) & merely jumped into the Warden we left there. Oh, & if you left Hawke.... In the clutches of the demon who was effecting the calling, who Cory had given knowledge of the Taint & Darkspawn to? That demon may have had access to the taint, once Hawke was tainted, theres no loose end. Cory would have a body. Which reminds me. Even if Cory doesn't make the jump.... experimenting on the one we left behind is probably what the demon did. The taint is alien to spirits, that demon has a chance to see it in action & learn everything first hand. Why would it merely kill when it can use the Warden/Hawke for its own amusement or to better understand the Darkspawn?

I am more a fan of him just being dead though. He did his thing. There are other Magisters & the Architect to come back & do more for the story.

[Captmorgan72]

You made that up

Nope, it's in the codex. http://dragonage.wik..._The_Black_City

[Captmorgan72]

He does have a body to reach in the Fade though. I guess it could be handwaved... That just by being in the Fade Cory no longer needed the Dragon to do his body hop ability ( all that raw power & what not) & merely jumped into the Warden we left there. Oh, & if you left Hawke.... In the clutches of the demon who was effecting the calling, who Cory had given knowledge of the Taint & Darkspawn to? That demon may have had access to the taint, once Hawke was tainted, theres no loose end. Cory would have a body. Which reminds me. Even if Cory doesn't make the jump.... experimenting on the one we left behind is probably what the demon did. The taint is alien to spirits, that demon has a chance to see it in action & learn everything first hand. Why would it merely kill when it can use the Warden/Hawke for its own amusement or to better understand the Darkspawn?

I am more a fan of him just being dead though. He did his thing. There are other Magisters & the Architect to come back & do more for the story.

I agree. If you left a warden behind in the Fade, Corypheus will absolutely resurrect and get what he wanted, to physically be in the Fade. I wonder if Bioware realized that when they wrote that scene. After the events of Trespasser I would tell Orlais and Ferelden they are on their own when Corypheus returns. 

[thats1evildude]

WOT Volume 2 makes it pretty clear that Corypheus was consumed by the Fade. Without the Anchor or the Orb, he had nothing to protect him, and was thus utterly destroyed. He is deader than dead.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

Does the anchor really protect you in the fade? When Keiran activates the Eluvian Morrigan goes straight into the fade just fine. Also they act like that wasn't a huge feat. That was the 3rd time the inquisitor went into the Fade as well as Morrigan being another mortal to enter the Fade. They really gloss over that little bit.

 

Anyway, Corypheus better be dead, the Well of Sorrows better not be lying to me about defeating Cory!

[thats1evildude]

Does the anchor really protect you in the fade? When Keiran activates the Eluvian Morrigan goes straight into the fade just fine.

 

Morrigan is presumably protected by the same magic Kieran used to open a portal to the Fade.

[leaguer of one]

WOT Volume 2 makes it pretty clear that Corypheus was consumed by the Fade. Without the Anchor or the Orb, he had nothing to protect him, and was thus utterly destroyed. He is deader than dead.

Um...not true.

 

From trespasser we find out that that a being can exist in the fade with no body and not be destroyed. The unbounded are just that, elves who abandoned their body to exists only in the fade. We seen this with the Barroness in daa and that mage in the broken circle quest.

 

 

It's just that not body means no control in the fade. They need a body in the waking world to have any power in the fade.

[leaguer of one]

Morrigan is presumably protected by the same magic Kieran used to open a portal to the Fade.

What are you taking about? There is not proof of that at all. Heck, the magisters walked in to the fade with no need of it. The fade used to be part of the world.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

What are you taking about? Their is not proof of that at all. Heck, the magisters walked in to the fade with no need of it. The fade used to be part of the world.

Yeah, I feel like it's just a myth that you can't be there physically. I think the whole idea was more about trying to figure out a way into the fade. There's the anchor and there's the Eluvians as a means and then whatever the Magisters did. 

[Captmorgan72]

Um...not true.

 

From trespasser we find out that that a being can exist in the fade with no body and not be destroyed. The unbounded are just that, elves who abandoned their body to exists only in the fade. We seen this with the Barroness in daa and that mage in the broken circle quest.

 

 

It's just that not body means no control in the fade. They need a body in the waking world to have any power in the fade.

I was going to post the same thing. thats1evildude is mistaken. I am still very convinced that Corypheus is not destroyed and is in the Fade and if you left a warden behind, he will get what he wanted. 

[Belladoni]

Would also kind of stink if he does survive it and taints the fade.  Black City was somehow still separate from the Fade, I believe, which is why I've assumed it hasn't already blighted the Fade.  Coryfish moving around in there...  I really don't (well, yes I do) want to fight a blighted demon. Or a never-ending supply of them.  (Ok, just a little.)

[Xcorpyo]

I agree. If you left a warden behind in the Fade, Corypheus will absolutely resurrect and get what he wanted, to physically be in the Fade. I wonder if Bioware realized that when they wrote that scene. After the events of Trespasser I would tell Orlais and Ferelden they are on their own when Corypheus returns. 

 

Ohh, they realized alright. The whole thing seemed forced from the start. I didn’t understand the why until the end of the battle with Corypheus. Yes, the rift killed him, but not his soul.

 

The Fade trip was strange from the get go. By that time in the game, you know enough about the Anchor that you are able to use it at will. Sure, there was the memory issue that could have hindered you at first, but after the fight with the demon, these shouldn’t be anything stopping you for opening a rift near you and save all your party.

 

I actually laughed when the ‘Go, I’ll hold it off’ line was used. So, one guy with a sword can do what your entire party and the Divine Justinia upgrading to Divine Fade Jesus couldn’t? They made the enemy too over powered for any one person to hold it off until they got to safety.

It’s like you’re on the beach with some friends, and you see a 50 meters high tidal wave coming your way. One of your friends pulls a baseball bat from somewhere, turns to you and says: “Run! I’ll hold it off until you get to safety”. Wut?

 

You spend all the game spaming Fade rifts left and right, even in the last battle, merely on a whim and with the snap of a finger, but the only time you actually need it, you seem to be unable to do so, because..plot reasons. 

 

The question is if they’ll chose to use him again. After all, they changed a lot of things between games, so who knows if they’ll need his ‘services’ in the future.

[thats1evildude]

What are you taking about? There is not proof of that at all. Heck, the magisters walked in to the fade with no need of it. The fade used to be part of the world.

No, they channeled a considerable amount of power into entering the Fade, using both lyrium and blood magic.

The codex The Claws of Dumat details how Corypheus built an altar to sacrifice a considerable number of slaves upon it.

http://dragonage.wik..._Claws_of_Dumat

[Daerog]

Cory is dead. If his soul is still like the souls of other sentient beings, then he is damned to wander the Fade and never know peace. He is as dead as the Architect probably is... and the Architect is dead because my canon is the canon... because I said so...

 

They have 5 (possibly 4, due to what is said in Codex: A Different Darkspawn?) other Magisters Sidereal, aka The Seven, aka those jerks that started the Blights.

 

-The Augur

-The Madman

-The Forgewright

-The Watchman

-The Appraiser

 

Edit: Although, my theory is that the Seven are reborn through the Blight, which is why the Architect woke with no memories and believed he was just another darkspawn. I think BW had Cory die the way he did so he couldn't be reborn through the blight, since he was killed through the Fade or whatever, which is like an opposing force to the blight or something. The Fade is life, light, and magic, and the blight is magic, darkness, and void/death.

[Xcorpyo]

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Architect woke with no memories and believed he was just another darkspawn. I think BW had Cory die the way he did so he couldn't be reborn through the blight, since he was killed through the Fade or whatever, which is like an opposing force to the blight or something. The Fade is life, light, and magic, and the blight is magic, darkness, and void/death.

 

Yeah, the Fade has no connection to the Blight. 

Well, except that huge ass city filled with corruption in the middle of it. You know, the city Cory and co visited and got the Blight disease from.

But other than that, you are absolutely 100% correct.

[thats1evildude]

From trespasser we find out that that a being can exist in the fade with no body and not be destroyed. The unbounded are just that, elves who abandoned their body to exists only in the fade. We seen this with the Barroness in daa and that mage in the broken circle quest.

I can only speak to what was said in World of Thedas Volume 2:

"What we witnessed when Corypheus disappeared was not the swagger of a conqueror, but the stumbling of a broken authority ... Corypheus knew not the absolute certainty of arrogance; he was broken and surely knew doubt. And it has been written that nothing that knows doubt can survive in the Fade.

Since the Breach, countless rifts have been examined, and the Fade searched by armies of mages in their dreams. All confirm that in his profound absence, Corypheus is no longer a threat. He is dead, or what passes for dead when a physical being is consumed by the Fade."

[Captmorgan72]

I can only speak to what was said in Workd of Thedas Volume 2:

"What we witnessed when Corypheus disappeared was not the swagger of a conqueror, but the stumbling of a broken authority ... Corypheus knew not the absolute certainty of arrogance; he was broken and surely knew doubt. And it has been written that nothing that knows doubt can survive in the Fade.

Since the Breach, countless rifts have been examined, and the Fade searched by armies of mages in their dreams. All confirm that in his profound absence, Corypheus is no longer a threat. He is dead, or what passes for dead when a physical being is consumed by the Fade."

I have to get that book. It looks like it is filled with great stuff. Well now I can put that to rest, Corypheus is dead. 

[Gervaise]

Post Trespasser Cory is the least of our worries.   In fact if it hadn't been for the deranged Tevinter Magister there wouldn't be a Thedas any more, or at least not as we know it.    I wouldn't mind so much if he is running around in the Fade.   May be he'll thump Solas if he tries going in there.    Cory only thought he and his pals got to the Black City that we see in the Fade but it is possible that they were re-routed to the real Black City, somewhere in the depths of the Deep Roads, which is where the taint first occurred.    Pretty sure the dwarves are right and it had nothing to do with their antics that the taint came into being but that those Magisters were just victims of it.   There seem strong hints that it was the evanuris who were responsible, may be even good old Mythal.    The elves were awfully anxious to collapse tunnels to the Deep Roads and seal something in that they were absolutely terrified of getting out.    This was pre-Veil so who knows which side it ended up on or whether a portal led from its reflection in the Fade to the actual place itself.

 

Besides I don't think opening a Fade rift inside someone is terribly good for the health.