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Exactly. It's not meant to be a flattering descriptor, just the way that I've come to understand Sera, and I think the primary motivation behind how she is written and what she does.  If Thedas were modern day Earth, Sera would be a "self taught" internet troll hacker.

 

 

Oh I see.



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I KNOW.

 

(But how do the wasps simply not kill the bees?)

 

Good question.... maybe uses different jar?



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1. Why assume it costs a lot of money to move? No evidence that she stayed in Inns along the way. If she left with a group they could have walked and camped along the way, or taken a boat maybe.

 

2. Probably did have some coin but assuming she was with a group they could have scavenged along the way. They probably would have loaded up on goods before leaving. For all we know they had a wagon full of stuff since we have no idea who she left with or why they left.

 

3. We dont need to flesh out someones life down to the smallest detail but I can see ways a kid can become involved with Red Jennies. The fact she was an elf kid with a nobel would kind of bring her to the attention of the Red Jennys.

 

6. Viv was bluffing. Viv is also a Mary SUe type character that is written to always win in conversations.

 

8. Who said she robbed nobility? I dont remember if she says so or not. Sera may have tried to steal an apple from a vendor and got caught in front of the noble who felt sorry for her.

 

9. Some people are scared of spiders, some are scared of magic. She doesnt have to know mages to be scared of magic. I dont know any Crips but Id be nervous being in a room with one.

 

10. Maybe Morrigan wasnt with Lelianna at the time?

 

11. I think the whole Doriane/Sera banter about having so many arrows was a poke at game mechanics.

 

1) Then that group would have an extra expense on their hands, and I'm not sure why they'd pay for some girl to be a tagalong. Even if she was a good shot, wouldn't you trust a mercenary more than some street urchin?

 

2) See point 1.

 

3) No, you don't have to flesh out a character to the single littlest detail, but when you have things that sound like red flags or are extremely unlikely, especially considering how nobles NORMALLY treat the elves (City Elf, anyone?) you probably have a good explanation for it. This is especially true if its a turning point in their lives.

 

6) Vivienne literally kills a marquis in front of an entire court of people just on your say so. Like I said, she is not the type to bluff.

 

8) Looking over the tidbit where she talks about it, I concede the point; she just says "I got caught stealing, you usually get alienage or worse for that, but then lady Emmald took me in." But that just makes everything weirder, because I'm pretty sure she's mentioned seeing the alienage tree, so she has to have been there or something.

 

9) ...Except she specifically says that she knew "some mages that were a little bit weird, but alright." Not sure what the argument is here.

 

10) In my playthrough of Dragon Age, I never once took her to Denerim. On top of that, if she comes with you in Hushed Whispers, its not like she recognizes King Alistair either (provided that you brought her along and made him King). If it really was at Denerim, then it had to have been an oversight on the writer's part, and why go through all that trouble linking two characters together unless it served some sort of purpose?

 

11) I conceded this point a while ago.



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When does this mention of the Hero of Ferelden giving her a box happen anyway? I don't believe I've ever heard that.

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When does this mention of the Hero of Ferelden giving her a box happen anyway? I don't believe I've ever heard that.

 

I dunno if this is what they mean, but doesn't HoF give a box to the Red Jennies by slipping it through a marked door in the capital? I seem to remember a mission like that.



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I dunno if this is what they mean, but doesn't HoF give a box to the Red Jennies by slipping it through a marked door in the capital? I seem to remember a mission like that.

 

Also i remember someone said you can hear someone giggling inside after you give the box and they assumed to be Sera.



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Dorian: Cole, you should be careful dancing around with those knives while I'm throwing fireballs.

 

Cole: It won't hurt me. It's friendly fire.

 

:lol:

 

And then Dorian says something like, "I don't think friendly fire means what you think it means".  :P



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When does this mention of the Hero of Ferelden giving her a box happen anyway? I don't believe I've ever heard that.


Sera mentions that she used to play with painted boxes during the Blight in Denerim. It's assumed she got the box delivered by the HoF.
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#59
introverted_assassin

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my guess is those boxes were some kind of code between Jennies. never heard that alleged giggle either. also, I have never understood why people think Sera is Amethyne. I saw her face in the elven alienage in Denerim. That...would literally make no sense.

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1) Then that group would have an extra expense on their hands, and I'm not sure why they'd pay for some girl to be a tagalong. Even if she was a good shot, wouldn't you trust a mercenary more than some street urchin?
 
2) See point 1.


There are numerous reasons a group like Red Jennys would have kids tagging along. Especially a group that sees itself as the sort to 'fight for the little guy' would have reason to help out, even if it's just to look good. Regardless it assumes alot that she would travel so far on her own without any help.

There are many people making the journey between the two capitols all the time. Indeed the biggest reason why capturing the keep in Crestwood is because it's right on the main road between the two cities. So it wouldn't be hard to assume that she could have made her way there the way so many other people do. She could have easily hitched a ride on a caravan as a stowaway.
 

6) Vivienne literally kills a marquis in front of an entire court of people just on your say so. Like I said, she is not the type to bluff.


OF COURSE Vivienne is the type to Bluff. Part of playing The Game is ALL about bluffing on a near constant basis. That doesn't mean she isn't willing or capable of backing up her bluffs, but she would have no problem making them in the first place. Scaring off Sera was definitely a bluff, though that does not mean that if she had to she would do everything in her power to back it up and actually try to find out what she can about Sera. Which would have been interesting to find out what she would learn.
 

8) Looking over the tidbit where she talks about it, I concede the point; she just says "I got caught stealing, you usually get alienage or worse for that, but then lady Emmald took me in." But that just makes everything weirder, because I'm pretty sure she's mentioned seeing the alienage tree, so she has to have been there or something.


One does not necessarily dictate the other. She uses "alienage" as a form of punishment but that is different then just living in an alienage. She could have been living in the alienage for a time and decided to leave because, to be honest, Alienages are ****-holes. She would then want to avoid getting caught and thrown back in there. That's what she was referring to. As for the nobles, yes the one in the City Elf origin was bad, but that's not a representation of ALL the nobles in Denerim.

Even then, keep in mind this particular noble took her in because she wanted a kid, it was for her own selfish reasons in many ways, even if she meant well in the long run.
 

9) ...Except she specifically says that she knew "some mages that were a little bit weird, but alright." Not sure what the argument is here.


Sounds to me that she gets that mages are people, but still doesn't like magic. So while she has no problem with the people who can do magic (so long as they're not using it to do bad things) she still isn't a fan of the magic itself.
 

10) In my playthrough of Dragon Age, I never once took her to Denerim. On top of that, if she comes with you in Hushed Whispers, its not like she recognizes King Alistair either (provided that you brought her along and made him King). If it really was at Denerim, then it had to have been an oversight on the writer's part, and why go through all that trouble linking two characters together unless it served some sort of purpose?


Alistair was never king throughout most of Origins, certainly not while you were walking around Denerim. It's only after the Landsmeet, and really after the final battle, that Alistair is made the true king. So it wouldn't be surprising that Sera had never met Alistair before; She barely remembers the Hero of Fereldan.

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1) Then that group would have an extra expense on their hands, and I'm not sure why they'd pay for some girl to be a tagalong. Even if she was a good shot, wouldn't you trust a mercenary more than some street urchin?

 

2) See point 1.

 

3) No, you don't have to flesh out a character to the single littlest detail, but when you have things that sound like red flags or are extremely unlikely, especially considering how nobles NORMALLY treat the elves (City Elf, anyone?) you probably have a good explanation for it. This is especially true if its a turning point in their lives.

 

6) Vivienne literally kills a marquis in front of an entire court of people just on your say so. Like I said, she is not the type to bluff.

 

8) Looking over the tidbit where she talks about it, I concede the point; she just says "I got caught stealing, you usually get alienage or worse for that, but then lady Emmald took me in." But that just makes everything weirder, because I'm pretty sure she's mentioned seeing the alienage tree, so she has to have been there or something.

 

9) ...Except she specifically says that she knew "some mages that were a little bit weird, but alright." Not sure what the argument is here.

 

10) In my playthrough of Dragon Age, I never once took her to Denerim. On top of that, if she comes with you in Hushed Whispers, its not like she recognizes King Alistair either (provided that you brought her along and made him King). If it really was at Denerim, then it had to have been an oversight on the writer's part, and why go through all that trouble linking two characters together unless it served some sort of purpose?

 

11) I conceded this point a while ago.

 

1. Because maybe they had a reason to take her along. Maybe they knew her mother or the noble and were taking care of her.

2. My point still stands. If it was a self suffecient group then moving wouldnt be as expensive as you think. The thing is, we don't know enough of her life at this point to know why or how she moved because its not relevant. But, its not unlikely.

3. None of those are red flags though. Seras experience with the noble made her hate nobles. She would have sought out people who felt the same and the Red Jennys are not a real organized group with a singular mastermind. A 14 year old Red Jenny supporter could have hooked her into the network. We dont know what happened with the noble but is it out of line that it may have been destroyed which is why she left Denerim, probably broke? The noble could told people Sera was her live in maid for all we know. If people found it strange, so? Theres no Dept. of Child Services in Fereldan,

6. Viv is the type to bluff. Killing the marquis is irrelevant. The Game is like high stakes poker and theres a lot of bluffing involved.

8. Im sure being involved with the Red Jennys had stuff happening in the Alienage. I dont see the problem. Plus, she may have been in the Alienage prior to becoming taken in by the noble.

9. She probably knew apostates giving the circles she runs in. You dont know how well she knew them, if they were friends or just Bob the apostate that I run into at the Red Jenny Christmas party.

10. Its kind of nit picking. I always imagined that there was times my companions might be off on there own between killing things and that she saw her on one of those times when she was by herself and for some reason she remembers her. Maybe she saw her with other people but they just didnt stick in her mind. I mean, if she saw Lelianna with the group she would have seen her with the HoF and I dont think she ever says that. Also does she even mention it was in Denerim?



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If I should give Sera a pshycic evaulation I'd say she is a girl with heavy symptoms of ADHD.