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Question but isn't there another transgendered character in the comics that is a mage? 

 

has magic worked for them or...?

Yep, Maevaris Tilani. And she is a male to female transsexual. I don't think she used magic for sex changing either. 

 

http://dragonage.wik...Maevaris_Tilani


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Question but isn't there another transgendered character in the comics that is a mage? 

 

has magic worked for them or...?

I don't believe we have any idea what magic (if any) she's tried in order to modify her own body.



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Question but isn't there another transgendered character in the comics that is a mage? 

 

has magic worked for them or...?

 

Yes Maevaris Tilani. She is a Magister, so you'd think if anyone would try and use Blood Magic to change their body it would be her, but she hasn't.

 

Edit: Ninja'd  :ph34r:


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So here are some points
 

  • Not all trans people want surgery, most trans people would argue that the genitals don't make the gender.
  • Krem lives in a world were the most advanced surgery is amputation. The only magic that might be able to help him transition to a male body, if he wanted that would be Blood Magic and even then this is something that seems beyond the realm of Blood Magic. Basically it is probably impossible to change a persons body in DA lore, even Morrigan says that shape-shifting wouldn't mean she could take the form of another human. 
Krem is a great character, he has a sense of humour and is open about his experiences as a trans male. He is the best trans character that BioWare has written and probably the best depiction of a trans character in video games in general.
 
To say that he is not a 'true' transsexual because he wouldn't want to go through gender reassignment surgery/magic is not only ridiculous  because  of DA lore but also insults any real trans people that don't want surgery or who only want top surgery.

This times everything.
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First off op bull would not ask the inquisitor such a thing he considers kerm to be a man and if you listened to his conversation he goes into detail on how the qun treat people like kerm

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OP, are you a transgendered person yourself? If not, are you very close with many transgendered people? 



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First off open bull would not ask the inquisitor such a thing he considers jerk to be a man and if you listened to his conversation he goes into detail on how the sun treat people like kerm

Huh?



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OP, are you a transgendered person yourself? If not, are you very close with many transgendered people? 

He's not, that's pretty obvious. He wasn't even taught to be tolerant to transgenders @ school.


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Huh?


Sorry auto correct I re corrected my post
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So here are some points

 

  • Not all trans people want surgery, most trans people would argue that the genitals don't make the gender.
  • Krem lives in a world were the most advanced surgery is amputation. The only magic that might be able to help him transition to a male body, if he wanted that would be Blood Magic and even then this is something that seems beyond the realm of Blood Magic. Basically it is probably impossible to change a persons body in DA lore, even Morrigan says that shape-shifting wouldn't mean she could take the form of another human. 

Krem is a great character, he has a sense of humour and is open about his experiences as a trans male. He is the best trans character that BioWare has written and probably the best depiction of a trans character in video games in general.

 

To say that he is not a 'true' transsexual because he wouldn't want to go through gender reassignment surgery/magic is not only ridiculous  because  of DA lore but also insults any real trans people that don't want surgery or who only want top surgery.  

 

Genitals is what gives us our own unique identification. Either you're a man or a woman. If you have boobs and a vagina... you're a woman... if you have a penis then biologically speaking you're a man. It's biology 101.  Surgeries and hormonal replacements can help you to disturbed this pattern, and lead you to the proper road.

 

While I can understand peoples fears of not wanting to have surgery doesn't make you the gender that you want to be. You still have to present yourself as the proper gender that you were born with.

 

While magic might be risky... so is surgery. You take chances that is risky to achieve the maximum goals.



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First off op bull would not ask the inquisitor such a thing he considers kerm to be a man and if you listened to his conversation he goes into detail on how the qun treat people like kerm

Spoiler

1:59

 

'You don't have a problem with him being from Tevinter?'

 

There should be an option to ask 'You don't have a problem with her being from Tevinter?'

This is what I mean, intrusive and forced agenda. Unnecessary.


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Genitals is what gives us our own unique identification. Either you're a man or a woman. If you have boobs and a vagina... you're a woman... if you have a penis then biologically speaking you're a man. It's biology 101.  Surgeries and hormonal replacements can help you to disturbed this pattern, and lead you to the proper road.

 

While I can understand peoples fears of not wanting to have surgery doesn't make you the gender that you want to be. You still have to present yourself as the proper gender that you were born with.

 

While magic might be risky... so is surgery. You take chances that is risky to achieve the maximum goals.

Genitals give us our biological assignment. That thing inside of the individual about how they view themselves- that is what gives them their own unique identification. 



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OP, are you a transgendered person yourself? If not, are you very close with many transgendered people? 

 

No I'm not a transgender, but I do have friends who are. I proudly give them their proper pronouns :) I'm so happy for them. I just wish that I could be with them during their surgeries. Love the before and after photos.



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Huh?

The sun treats everyone equally. It fries everyone to a crisp the same way. :P

 

 

Genitals is what gives us our own unique identification. Either you're a man or a woman. If you have boobs and a vagina... you're a woman... if you have a penis then biologically speaking you're a man. It's biology 101.  Surgeries and hormonal replacements can help you to disturbed this pattern, and lead you to the proper road.

 

While I can understand peoples fears of not wanting to have surgery doesn't make you the gender that you want to be. You still have to present yourself as the proper gender that you were born with.

 

While magic might be risky... so is surgery. You take chances that is risky to achieve the maximum goals.

So say a soldier has an accident on the field and has his genitals blown off. By your definition, he is no longer male? 


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To the OP

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Feel better?

 

David nor anyone else in BW is obligated to fulfil your notion of what a TG person is in Thedas. It's there world and they can do what they want. That being said, considering the situation you have wholly unrealistic and almost silly expectations considering the world in which Krem lives in. Chill out and just be thankful that there is a positive example of a trans person in gaming at all. Sheeesshhhhhh!


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No I'm not a transgender, but I do have friends who are. I proudly give them their proper pronouns :) I'm so happy for them. I just wish that I could be with them during their surgeries. Love the before and after photos.

So those friends agree with you that until one has gender reassignment surgery, they prefer to be called the pronoun assigned to their genitalia? 


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Love the before and after photos.

For some reason, this doesn't surprise me a bit.



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The sun treats everyone equally. It fries everyone to a crisp the same way. :P

 

 

So say a soldier has an accident on the field and has his genitals blown off. By your definition, he is no longer male? 

 

He was born a male and still is a male.


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He was born a male and still is a male.

But by your logic, he no longer has the genitalia of a male and though he sees himself as a male, he should be considered female because he doesn't have the dangly bits that mark him as a male. Or did I misread your posts stating in one way or another that genitals make the gender? 


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He was born a male and still is a male.

Then by that definition, having a surgery doesn't change you either since you're now saying regardless of the parts you have you are the sex you were born as. 


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But by your logic, he no longer has the genitalia of a male and though he sees himself as a male, he should be considered female because he doesn't have the dangly bits that mark him as a male. Or did I misread your posts stating in one way or another that genitals make the gender? 

No, he doesn't have lady parts either so can't be female. That soldier is now an it by that definition. 


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But by your logic, he no longer has the genitalia of a male and though he sees himself as a male, he should be considered female because he doesn't have the dangly bits that mark him as a male. Or did I misread your posts stating in one way or another that genitals make the gender? 

 

No you're wrong. We all have DNA patterns that gives us our ID. It is what makes us.... you know... us?

 

My logic is purely scientific. If you want to read more go to http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/chromosome/Y

 

The solider that had his genitalia blown off in war would still have male DNA.



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Genitals is what gives us our own unique identification. Either you're a man or a woman. If you have boobs and a vagina... you're a woman... if you have a penis then biologically speaking you're a man. It's biology 101.  Surgeries and hormonal replacements can help you to disturbed this pattern, and lead you to the proper road.

 

While I can understand peoples fears of not wanting to have surgery doesn't make you the gender that you want to be. You still have to present yourself as the proper gender that you were born with.

 

While magic might be risky... so is surgery. You take chances that is risky to achieve the maximum goals.

 

Genitals might be an indication of a persons gender but they don't define it. There are women who are born without vaginas, they are still women but by your definition they would not be.  There are people born with both male and female genitals - by your definition they would not be men or women.

 

While I've spoken to many trans people online, I've only met one trans person IRL. I met him before he started to identity as  man and have seen him go through the process accepting who he was, being accepting by others, changing his name & gender on official documents etc. Last year he decided he would save for a double mastectomy.

 

This was not a decision he made lightly and it was not something that he thought she should automatically do just because he was trans. It was a decision made a few years after he came out as trans and as far as I know it is the only one he plans on getting.

 

You seem like you are well meaning, but you are wrong. My suggestion would be to research the topic more.


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No you're wrong. We all have DNA patterns that gives us our ID. It is what makes us.... you know... us?

 

My logic is purely scientific. If you want to read more go to http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/chromosome/Y

 

The solider that had his genitalia blown off in war would still have male DNA.

 

Sorry for the double post but if that is what you believe then how would surgery overcome that?

 

You can't have it both ways


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No you're wrong. We all have DNA patterns that gives us our ID. It is what makes us.... you know... us?

 

My logic is purely scientific. If you want to read more go to http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/chromosome/Y

 

The solider that had his genitalia blown off in war would still have male DNA.

So would a male who has a sex change surgery. Despite having different parts, they would still have male DNA.

 

Sex and gender are not the same thing. Surgery isn't required for a person who is born biologically male to identify as female. 


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