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#26
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Yes... Taken Directly From Mass Effect Retribution, about Kai Leng:

 

The scene before him was a masterpiece of brutally efficient mayhem. In addition to the turian shot by the guards, two more were already on the floor. One’s throat had been slashed from behind, the cut so deep it nearly severed the head. The back of the other’s head had been blown off, the result of someone’s firing a pistol jammed against the back of his skull so the kinetic barriers couldn’t protect him. The remaining three were engaged in close-quarters fighting with Kai Leng. Despite not wearing a combat suit—he wasn’t even wearing a shirt—Cerberus’s top wet-work operative made short work of the heavily armored turians.

 

 

At melee range the heavy turian assault rifles proved to be a disadvantage; they were too slow andcumbersome to be brought to bear on a target as lithe and mobile as the human butcher attacking them. Kai Leng’s weapons presented no such problems. He stabbed his knife in an upward thrust toward the head of his nearest opponent. The sharply ascending angle brought it in beneath the turian’s protective visor, impaling him through the underside of his chin. The blade penetrated up through tissue and bone and into the brain, resulting in instantaneous death.

 

The weapon was stuck fast in its victim, but Kai Leng had already released his grip on the hilt. One of the turians had thrown down his own ineffectual weapon and grabbed Kai Leng’s wrist with both hands in an attempt to break his arm, or at least wrench the pistol from his grasp. But his combat suit made his movements clumsy and awkward, and the thick gloves prevented him from getting a proper grip. Kai Leng slipped free and dropped to the ground, his leg sweeping out to knock the turian off his feet even as his partner fired a round from his assault rifle at the space where his human target had been standing upright an instant before.

 

Crouched low to the floor, Kai Leng shoved the nose of the pistol against the back of the still standing turian’s knee. The joints of the combat suits were less protected to maintain flexibility; the thin mesh material did nothing to absorb the projectile when he squeezed the trigger. With a scream the turian fell to the floor, the assault rifle slipping from his grasp.

 

It had all taken less than a second

That's how they should've portrayed Shep fighting against the fake ninja instead of trying to use an Avenger or Predator when he was bubbled up.

 

They made Shep look clumsy and ungraceful falling on his ass all the time, yet they gave some slick moves to this turd  guy.



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Kei Lengs biggest problem for me was that he talked to much . I guess you have to have some witty conversation between victim and shooter to make the scene some what interesting to view, but the reality is that it really wouldn't happen that way. Here is how Eli Wallach would deal with him https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be



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He would have made a fairly decent gymnast or Ballerina. 

 

Yep lets take a sword to a gunfight....  Did he not watch the Untouchables?



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Actually, as an assassin you have to wonder why TIM didn't fit Leng with a cloaking device like he did with Infiltrator Shep.

 

He does. Thane VS Kai Leng Fight... Thane picks the Phalanx to shoot him, only to turn around and not see him... Kai Leng is cloaked in the other side of the room. Decloaks, grab the Sword and go running for Thane.

 

Not sure if you remember from the books, but Anderson shattered both Leng's kneecaps, hence in ME3 he walks with a cane/sword. He wasn't going to be the same kind of tough guy you read about in the books. He's a lot weaker than he was.

 

Yes, I remember. But that really doesn't explain the fact that he was a complete different guy from the books... He seemed more like a bully that took heavily to insults than an Assassin we saw on the Novels.

 

Also, he doesn't need something like this to walk... Remember the Mars Scene where Kai Leng is seen walking to the Illusive Man? Plus, it isn't agility what we're talking about, but how the Fight could've been more executed in both Occasions. Example: Why did Thane with a Pistol went running to Kai Leng who was wielding a sword?

 

On Thessia: Did Top-Cerberus Assassin really needed a Gunship to defeat Shepard? Even if he did, why didn't we actually have the option to WIN or LOSE the conflict, instead of picking the invincible bubble of destruction?

 

Then again, the Implants were, of course, designed to make Kai Leng Stronger. Even because I can't think of Cerberus wasting good money on poor implants on Kai Leng.



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Don't try to understand Kai Leng. 



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He's a mildly interesting villain in the book and a good comic relief in the game. And I need to post this if it is not common knowledge, his name literally can be translated as "cold dude" in Chinese :)


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He does. Thane VS Kai Leng Fight... Thane picks the Phalanx to shoot him, only to turn around and not see him... Kai Leng is cloaked in the other side of the room. Decloaks, grab the Sword and go running for Thane.

 

Ah. I forgot, ages since I've played ME. In that case he just chooses not to act very assassin-y I guess?

 

If I wanted to make excuses for him I could say he's gone crazy with his ego since getting his implants or something. He got all cocky wanting to take down Thane man to man.



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IDK what happened to him... Maybe, just maybe because it was Drew Karpyshin that wrote him in the novels and Mac Walters or some other folk wrote him in the game?



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My rection whenever Kei Leng pops up on screen:

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Mass Effect has always been abit cheesy at times, but seriously... space ninja? NO


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IDK what happened to him... Maybe, just maybe because it was Drew Karpyshin that wrote him in the novels and Mac Walters or some other folk wrote him in the game?

 

It's one of those mysteries I guess. Almost every single facet of the guy in ME3 is wrong. His appearance doesn't fit the setting, his fights don't fit the game's combat, his lack of character really contrasts with almost everyone around him, and the cutscenes are just silly. This was a bumble at several different stages of development.



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Don't try OP...

 

You cannot understand him. He has backflipped into a realm beyond understanding...beyond perception...beyond our feeble comprehension...



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Kai Leng in a nutshell KAILENGEMAILB.jpg


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For some reason, I just love how he felt the need to sign it.

 

In my opinion, Kai Leng had potential (even the sword and flips) but the execution was just too bad for his character to work.


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Yeah, it is too bad about Kai Leng. "The Trouble with Kai Leng"

 

I was looking forward to meeting this character in game, and feeling threatened and challenged by him. Looking forward to loving to hate him. Unfortunately, the thought of KL makes me eyeroll and think Meh. Maybe he just did not have enough screentime to make me give a darn? Maybe if he did not have that mask on, and I could get a better read on him as a character?

 

Idk, but when I got that email, I was like, "are you serious? What, is he 14 years old? Wth is this?"

 

I really hope that BW does not think that KL is a "love to hate" kinda character because that would imply that it was a well done character. No, I dislike Kai Leng because he's ridiculous.


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What happened to Kai Leng? No Captain Crunch. There's no Leng without Crunch.....
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(Sleepy rambling time) The thing about Kai Leng is that there is enough to imply his motivation towards Shepard is proving himself the better of the two. 

 

I like to headcannon that it had to do with the Illusive Man favoring Shepard for the missions with the Collectors to the point that he was willing to go through all of the trouble of bringing Shepard back to life. It might have made Kai Leng fear he was being replaced especially as he was boycotted from the mission (when in actuality, the Illusive Man knows better than to place a raging racist on a ship with aliens and expect everything to go peachy)

 

... I also like to imaging it has something to do with ol' TIM outsourcing the position of team assassin to a terminally ill drell. That had got to hurt.

 

There's also the headcanon that Kai Leng was that kid who was always second best to Shepard; Hopscotch? Shepard did it better. Got an A? Shepard got an A+. Got into the N7 program? Shepard did it first. Ranked high? Shepard ranked higher.   

 

All the while Shepard got no idea who the heck Kai Leng is and couldn't even point him out from the class photos.  



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What happened to Kai Leng? No Captain Crunch. There's no Leng without Crunch.....

 

He strikes me more as a Lucky Charms man. I think he'd find it magically delicious. 


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I like Cyber Ninja's, I LOVE Cyber Ninja's, the book I'm writing features a teen-aged cyber ninja bred for infiltration. But do you know what the difference between Kai Leng and other fictional cyber-ninja's (Like say Gray Fox or Raiden from Metal Gear) is? The difference is that the latter establishes that Cyber-Ninja's are a thing that exists and requests the audience to roll with it. On top of that their existence is justified and time and time again the work proves why they work and aren't shot down by a random dude with a gun. In addition Gray Fox and Raiden (pre-Rising) at least are wonderfully realized 3-dimensional characters. Kai Leng and his phantoms by extension are none of these things. They were randomly thrown in because of the rule of cool. Even my protagonist uses a gun, like a regular gun and not some weird as palm blaster.



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Kai Leng in a nutshell

 

 

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The problem with Leng was writing. Biower was pandering; look at the varied characters introduced in ME2. Jack, Grunt, Kasumi. Now contrast that with the ones introduced in ME3 and honestly tell me they aren't "videogame" stereotypes. A space-ninja and a big, buff muscle-head? A hot british lip-stick-lesbian? 

 

They ruined the story (long before Marauder Shields) by forcing dumb cliches into the cast. Period.



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Kai Leng ended up as Bioware's worst villain because he had a ridiculous Ninja Gaiden character model, had two underwhelming boss fights complete with anime-style acrobatics, and was given very little dialogue...and what dialogue he did get was awful and included some of the worst lines of the series.
 
Also, he brought a sword to a gunfight. In the 22nd Century. When people wear body armor capable of stopping or deflecting rounds travelling at supersonic velocities.
 
This is what happens when people bring swords to gunfights


Supposedly it was a sword that could cut through that bullet protective armor like it was butter. They wern't just regular swords, even if they looked like it in-game. It would be a formidable weapon in close quarters and corridors where guns don't get the range advantage. His speed also helped negate soem of that advantage.... Thoguh it would have made a lot more sense for him to be a Vanguard with those weapons. Jumpin - Slash/slice - repeat

But that would likely have been so overpowered and anoying that it would have made people go crazy.

As for the characterization in-game, it came off a little weak, it seemed far too childish for the most part and unprofessional for someone with his supposed training. Not a lot of N7 there.

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The problem with Leng was writing.

 

Actually I believe his writing (what was present) was 'OK' (a bit on the shallow side, e.g., quoting Highlander -on the other hand that gave me a chuckle).

The problems were that there was no proper introduction (who is this guy??), and more importantly the fight mechanics.

What really killed  him/ made him a laughable opponent was the constant "I have to recharge", after getting hit once(!) and relying on an indestructible Gunship or a squad of phantoms to be halfway menacing.



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I think a minigame where we got into a flamewar with Kai Leng would be amazing.

 

*sigh*... what could have been...


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If I'm completely honest even this seems a little bit silly, partly because he's shirtless.

Taken in context, he's shirtless because he was taking a break when turians hit the station in a surprise attack to rescue Paul Grayson and capture TIM. Kai in Retribution was a beast.

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He's like the Calo Nord or Darth Nihilus of the Mass Effect games. He is given this huge buildup as this incredible badass, but you hit him a couple times, he desperately keeps trying to heal and that's the fight.