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#326
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What else do you call completely removing something rather than locking it? It's obvious nobody wanted what was said in that thread visible. Does one need to resort to burning books to be the definition of censorship?

 

Please review the Wiki article on Censorship so you can learn what it is and why deleting a thread on a 'private' forum with T&C's is not it.

 

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Censorship



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I'm seriously tempted to kek spam until this thread get shut down.



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I'm seriously tempted to kek spam until this thread get shut down.

 

You mean disappeared? Apparently threads aren't 'shut down' here anymore. Mods simply throw them in the trash can and go off to have breakfast.



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You mean disappeared? Apparently threads aren't 'shut down' here anymore. Mods simply throw them in the trash can and go off to have breakfast.

Yeah, take a look at all the threads on literally every other board. You won't find any because they've all been "thrown in the trash can".

 

It isn't like they do it to obvious troll threads or useless sh*tpost threads like this one.



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You mean disappeared? Apparently threads aren't 'shut down' here anymore. Mods simply throw them in the trash can and go off to have breakfast.

 

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I am being repressed! Now the thread asking about where my thread has run off to was disappeared as well!



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You mean disappeared? Apparently threads aren't 'shut down' here anymore. Mods simply throw them in the trash can and go off to have breakfast.

 

It was pretty obvious your other thread was going to vanish. It's against site rules to make threads asking why other threads were deleted or locked.

 

Also BioWare is in Canada. We throw threads in the trash can and go off to have Tim Hortons.



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(to ORTesc) Good news! Check your thread :)


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The mighty Allan has returned with his hammer of justice. Locking a thread before he returns to his winter slumber. 


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The mighty Allan has returned with his hammer of justice. Locking a thread before he returns to his winter slumber.


He should have stickied it as an example...
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OP.  You are making false statements with no evidence at all (which is slander by the way) as well as have made from off handed remarks to complete attacks against a company and individuals of that company.  It is not repression when what is being removed is in violation of the rules you agreed to when you created an account here.

 

 

Again if you didn't like the game that is fine you have the right to not like something and critique it in a civil manner, but when you begin making comments that are directed at others - either directly or indirectly - then you have no one to blame for yourself when the mods and admins take action.

 

 

Oh and your other thread was returned with a rather detailed explanation as to why it was removed.


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The fact that this fell off of the top three posts suggests that the OP is off on another impromptu vacation.



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I'm sure they'll be missed.

 

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So, fourteen pages ... any conclusion yet? Are we done with Dragon Age? Is Dragon Age done with us? Are we doing Dragon Age now? Just once in the history of the internet we must (!) come to the definitive answer and conclusion of the thread! Come on, we can do this! We only have to believe in ourselves! Then we can reach any star! 

 

Just ... just SING!

 

The night is long

And the path is dark

Look to the sky

For one day soon

The dawn will come


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The fact that this fell off of the top three posts suggests that the OP is off on another impromptu vacation.

 

Yup. You can see that under their avatar - it says "Banned" instead of "Members".

I wonder how long are "vacations" now. AFAIR, 3 years ago it was 24 hours.



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And yet the game itself is no where near the quality of Origins. It doesn't matter what your opinion is, the fact is the game is 90% filler content. That's how this game will be remembered. It is a singleplayer mmo. Just because the average gamer that doesn't play mmos doesn't grasp this, doesn't mean it isn't true. It is copy and pasted directly out of the old republic.

People can defend this game until the cows come home, mods can ban me for stating my opinion, it doesn't change what the game and series has become.


You can hate it if you want. I'm just saying the level of hate is about as intense on this forum as it was for DAO. Even the complaints are similar, e.g. it is MMO-like, the quests are less fulfilling than its predecessor (in that case BG2) etc.

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That is such unadulterated BS.


I've been on the Bioware forums since KoTOR and lurked all the way back to NWN.

The main criticism of DAO on the RP side was that the origins were anti-RP because they forced a background onto us. Further criticisms were that there was no true RP freedom because among other things you couldn't freely kill characters, there were no true evil options, there was no reputation mechanic, and you were forced into heroism.

The main criticism on the gameplay side was the introduction of casual and MMO features compared with BG2. This included the removal of perma death, the introduction of regenerating health, the introduction of mana vs. a Vancian-like mechanic, the reliance on cooldowns, and the total lack of documentation.

There were other criticisms like limited weapon selection (e.g. no spears or scythes) and a lack of out of combat skills.
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Should Dragon Age be done now?

 

 

Oh goodness no!

 

I love the dragon age world and the games (Not so much 2) I would be really sad if I knew they weren't making any more Dragon Age games. I have had so many wonderful gaming moments...

 

I think the Dragon Age world has many stories to tell and I want to play them all  :wub:



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I've been on the Bioware forums since KoTOR and lurked all the way back to NWN.

The main criticism of DAO on the RP side was that the origins were anti-RP because they forced a background onto us. Further criticisms were that there was no true RP freedom because among other things you couldn't freely kill characters, there were no true evil options, there was no reputation mechanic, and you were forced into heroism.

The main criticism on the gameplay side was the introduction of casual and MMO features compared with BG2. This included the removal of perma death, the introduction of regenerating health, the introduction of mana vs. a Vancian-like mechanic, the reliance on cooldowns, and the total lack of documentation.

There were other criticisms like limited weapon selection (e.g. no spears or scythes) and a lack of out of combat skills.

 

You should know better Exile, don't remind people of the history they are repeating. They get all annoyed and try to explain to you in detail how previous criticisms were stupid, their criticism are the greatest.

 

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You should know better Exile, don't remind people of the history they are repeating. They get all annoyed and try to explain to you in detail how previous criticisms were stupid, their criticism are the greatest.

 

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This is not about rose tinted glasses it is about the truth that it is becoming worse each game. And it is obvious.

BG/IWD > NWN > DAO > DA2 > DAI

Those differences werre progressive, each change made games progressively more action and less RPG. So yeah, things got worse from BG to NWN. And again from NWN to DAo. So OBVIOUSLY people complained, and rightfully! For me, the most perfect was NWN 2 MotB, But I am pretty sure that people who like RPG probably prefer BG, then NWN1.

Thing is that remebering how people complained about DAO doesn't make the complaints about DAI less true, in fact it proves them to be true. As I said, you can clearly see the changes towards action and leaving RPG elements in each "new generation". So people complained and will complain because it is in fact getting worse. It is not because whatever Bioware do people complain but because they maimed great elements at each "new generation".

We don't have rose tinted glasses, we have Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland 2 and Shadowrun showing that we know exactly what we want. And when Pillar of Eternity arrive all this nostalgia nonsense and "people just want to complain" no sense will end because we will have what we want and show that we know what we want perfectly and that is not and never was about liking to complain but rather rightfully complaining for having our beloved franchises maimed.



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This is not about rose tinted glasses it is about the truth that it is becoming worse each game. And it is obvious.

BG/IWD > NWN > DAO > DA2 > DAI

 

That's an opinion, though. Meanwhile, I've been playing BioWare games since 1999 and think the original Neverwinter Nights campaign is easily the worst thing they've ever made, while the three Dragon Age games are second only to Baldur's Gate 2. (For that matter I think, Throne of Bhaal was a pretty blah ending to an otherwise brilliant series.)

 

While I'm looking forward to Pillars of Eternity very much, I can't help noticing that their forums are already full of people complaining about all the things are are different from the IE games.



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This is not about rose tinted glasses it is about the truth that it is becoming worse each game. And it is obvious.

BG/IWD > NWN > DAO > DA2 > DAI

 

This is not true and I know that because my list would look different to yours. Are you just counting the CRPGs?

 

If so mine would go DA:O=DA2>BG2 - with BG and NWN missing from the list because I just couldn't get into them. I haven't decided where DA:I will go, I've multiple playthroughs of the others so it's not fair to place it until I've done multiple playthroughs of it too.

 

I will say that DA2 improved with each playthrough I did, were as I liked DA:O less during my last playthrough of it.

 

 

Thing is that remebering how people complained about DAO doesn't make the complaints about DAI less true, in fact it proves them to be true. As I said, you can clearly see the changes towards action and leaving RPG elements in each "new generation". So people complained and will complain because it is in fact getting worse. It is not because whatever Bioware do people complain but because they maimed great elements at each "new generation".

 

 

I don't think it makes them less true for them, I just think it is funny how DA:O was criticised heavily for not being BG by the same type of people who are criticizing DA:I for not being DA:O.

 

Ironically you could argue that DA:I has more in common with BG2 then it does DA:O.

 

 

We don't have rose tinted glasses, we have Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland 2 and Shadowrun showing that we know exactly what we want. And when Pillar of Eternity arrive all this nostalgia nonsense and "people just want to complain" no sense will end because we will have what we want and show that we know what we want perfectly and that is not and never was about liking to complain but rather rightfully complaining for having our beloved franchises maimed.

 

the way you have phrased this paragraph makes it sound like if you liked DA:I, then you couldn't possibly like (or are possible not allowed to like) the other games you've mention.

 

I haven't played Divinity, but I do own it and it's on my list. I have played Wasteland 2 and I really enjoyed it. I'm also looking forward to Pillar of Eternity.

 

Each game in the DA series has been different, BioWare haven't maimed it because BioWare never established a pattern of gameplay over more than one game. 

 

All three games play differently, they are similarities between each of course, but all three play differently.

 

What links the games together is the world, the characters and the merciless slaughter of Dragons.

 

Edit: typo correction. 


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#348
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That's an opinion, though. Meanwhile, I've been playing BioWare games since 1999 and think the original Neverwinter Nights campaign is easily the worst thing they've ever made, while the three Dragon Age games are second only to Baldur's Gate 2. (For that matter I think, Throne of Bhaal was a pretty blah ending to an otherwise brilliant series.)

 

While I'm looking forward to Pillars of Eternity very much, I can't help noticing that their forums are already full of people complaining about all the things are are different from the IE games.

 

This is not true and I know that because my list would look different to yours. Are you just counting the CRPGs?

 

If so mine would go DA:O=DA2>BG2 - with BG and NWN missing from the list because I just couldn't get into them. I haven't decided where DA:I will go, I've multiple playthroughs of the others so it's not fair to place it until I've done multiple playthroughs of it too.

 

I will say that DA2 improved with each playthrough I did, were as I liked DA:O less during my last playthrough of it.

 

 

 

I don't think it makes them less true for them, I just think it is funny how DA:O was criticised heavily for not being BG by the same type of people who are criticizing DA:I for not being DA:O.

 

Ironically you could argue that DA:I has more in common with BG2 then it does DA:O.

 

 

 

the way you have phrased this paragraph makes it sound like if you liked DA:I, then you couldn't possibly like (or are possible not allowed to like) the other games you've mention.

 

I've played Divinity, but I do own it and it's on my list. I have played Wasteland 2 and I really enjoyed it. I'm also looking forward to Pillar of Eternity.

 

Each game in the DA series has been different, BioWare haven't maimed it because BioWare never established a pattern of gameplay over more than one game. 

 

All three games play differently, they are similarities between each of course, but all three play differently.

 

What links the games together is the world, the characters and the merciless slaughter of Dragons.

Yeah you both excluded the key for my post: "Those differences were progressive, each change made games progressively more action and less RPG. "

This is what I am calling getting worse. So if you please comment about that. No you don't have to agree that it is actually getting worse. But at least if you are commenting my post there is no reason to use what I said out of this concept of worse, because it obviously loses all it's meaning.

And RPG for me is not RPG at all. I mean roleplaying plays no part for me. RPG for me is what it really is: A compendium of rules to build characters, kill monsters, make items and develop character. So less rules, less attributes, less skills = less RPG.

I couldn't care less about story, character or the world. I know that by deffinition I am wrong, but you would REALLY have to ignore all d20 material (and discussion forums that discuss in the majority stat, feats and class combinations a lot more than they do roleplaying) to disagree on me. Surely it is not true for other systems like white-wolf storyteller, but since Bioware started with DnD I stick to this deffinition.



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Yes because it has run its course and become a failure 

 

here's hoping for a new IP



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What's surprising is that this thread is still going.