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[tmp7704]

Thing is that remebering how people complained about DAO doesn't make the complaints about DAI less true, in fact it proves them to be true.

Remembering how people complain about DAO serves to point out the complaints about DAI are equally silly, not that they're both true. Unless you genuinely believe complaints about DAO how it's like MMO etc... had merit, in which case, lol.

[Cyonan]

Yes because it has run its course and become a failure 

 

here's hoping for a new IP

 

I have good news and bad news for you.

 

Bad News: Inquisition wasn't a failure and we're most likely getting more.

Good News: They're making a new IP called Shadow Realms.

Probably even worse news: It's a pure MP game.

[phantomrachie]

Yeah you both excluded the key for my post: "Those differences were progressive, each change made games progressively more action and less RPG. "

This is what I am calling getting worse. So if you please comment about that. No you don't have to agree that it is actually getting worse. But at least if you are commenting my post there is no reason to use what I said out of this concept of worse, because it obviously loses all it's meaning.

And RPG for me is not RPG at all. I mean roleplaying plays no part for me. RPG for me is what it really is: A compendium of rules to build characters, kill monsters, make items and develop character. So less rules, less attributes, less skills = less RPG.

I couldn't care less about story, character or the world. I know that by deffinition I am wrong, but you would REALLY have to ignore all d20 material (and discussion forums that discuss in the majority stat, feats and class combinations a lot more than they do roleplaying) to disagree on me. Surely it is not true for other systems like white-wolf storyteller, but since Bioware started with DnD I stick to this deffinition.

 

I don't believe I didn't take you out of context since I was replying to certain elements of your post.

 

From what I understand from your post, you are saying that you don't care about the Roleplay in your RPG but the rules around them?

 

Well then DA:I does have everything you defined as an RPG minus the terrible skills that no one wanted but you had to take to get the much better next one. DA:I does have attribute points, you just get them by picking certain skills rather than putting points directly into them.

 

A few points on this

• DnD is not the be all and end all of RPGs, partially not video game RPGs. Fallout 3 meets your criteria and doesn't have DnD rules.
• Depending on the version of DnD you are playing, you will have less skills, than previous versions of it 
• The Dragon Age series has never used DnD rules - which is why I prefer it to the Baldur's Gate series.
• BioWare have, at this stage, made more games that don't use DnD rules then games that did.
• You mentioned Wasteland 2 - which doesn't really use DnD rules either.

Why are you so hung up on DnD? Video game RPGs and Pen & Paper RPGs are different, they started out based on similar systems but have since evolved along similar but separate paths. 

 

I enjoy them both but for different reasons.

 

 

Yes because it has run its course and become a failure 

 

here's hoping for a new IP

 

This attitude is really annoying. I don't like something so I want it to end. Many people enjoyed DA:I and want the series to go on, if you don't that is fine, but why hope it stops?

 

I think each Assassin's Creed game has gotten progressively worse since AC2, so you know what I did? I stopped buying them. While I no longer enjoy them, that doesn't mean that I want to take away the enjoyment of others. 

[AlanC9]

While I'm looking forward to Pillars of Eternity very much, I can't help noticing that their forums are already full of people complaining about all the things are are different from the IE games.

Oh man.... suddenly I'm so tempted to go over there and concern troll. Good thing I'm not that kinda guy.

[wolfhowwl]

There was a full-on riot over there and on the RPGCodex (lol) after the PoE backer beta came out.

[o Ventus]

This is not about rose tinted glasses it is about the truth that it is becoming worse each game. And it is obvious.

I'm interested to hear about this "truth".

 

 

Honestly, I think Bioware should just shut down this website entirely. Once in a blue moon there might be some legitimate discussion, but 9 times out of 10 it's mindless "it's not BG2 so it's bad by default" fanboy b**ching. The "these new games all suck, they don't compare to what [developer name] used to make!" are a cancer. 

[o Ventus]

 

Yeah, you do that. I hate and will keep on hating and posting hate, if I need to create ten thousand accounts and use 30 hundred proxies from 10 different computers I will, but I will spread hate. I don't want friends, I don't want anyone agreeing with me, also I don't even want to be tolerated or taken serious. I'm hurt, I just want to cause disconfort, fill this forum with negativity as much as I can. I have no interest in anything healthy.

 

 

If there was a god, he'd lock this thread.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Bioware for me is BG, BG2, IWD, IWD2, NWN, DAO, DA2.

 

BioWare didn't make the Icewind Dale games. That was Black Isle.

 

/pedant

[Biotic Flash Kick]

I have good news and bad news for you.

 

Bad News: Inquisition wasn't a failure and we're most likely getting more.

Good News: They're making a new IP called Shadow Realms.

Probably even worse news: It's a pure MP game.

well that is nothing but bad news bears :<

 

speaking of bears

RUN
BEAR BUTT SLAM INCOMING 

[Nimlowyn]

 

If there was a god, he'd lock this thread.

I just need you to know that this gif made me laugh, like seriously laugh, and that at least one good thing came out of these forums. LOL.

[phantomrachie]

You don't distribute stat points. The ones from skills are useless. A simple hat gives the amount of 6 passives. A sword is worth ~15 passives if you decide to crat with attributes. It is gear oriented like any other MMORPG, action MMORPG which is what DAI is. DAI does nothing I defined as an RPG, every single time I played DnD my character was defined by two things: Stats, classes and feats. Without distributing stat points and limited choice of "feats" and classes, my character means nothing DAI. In DAO even being infinitely worse than DnD I still could hold on to stat points, my character was defined by stat points and the specializations, now my character is a ****** gear. With no non-combat skills. It is sick and perverted. There is no way to represent myself in this ****. Also limited choices of weapon (there is already a mod to get rid of this ridiculous bullshit, thankfully).

 

Yeah, you do that. I hate and will keep on hating and posting hate, if I need to create ten thousand accounts and use 30 hundred proxies from 10 different computers I will, but I will spread hate. I don't want friends, I don't want anyone agreeing with me, also I don't even want to be tolerated or taken serious. I'm hurt, I just want to cause disconfort, fill this forum with negativity as much as I can. I have no interest in anything healthy.

 

I am really starting to worry about you. Are you ok? Maybe you should talk to someone if you're feeling this much negativity.

 

Anyway in reply to your post.

 

You don't distribute attributes points in the traditional way, but you do get different increases depending on the skills you pick up, so picking up different skills is a form of distributing attributes.

 

Attributes do still affect your build - however you increase them, so they are far from useless.

 

Your total obsession with DnD has blinded you to some key facts about DA:I - as you stated you your DnD character was defined by stats, classes & 'feats' - something that also defines the Inquisitor. You also missed out gear for a DnD character, anytime I've played DnD gear is quite important.

 

No matter what feats I have, I still need a weapon that is better than +2 Dagger to kill a Dragon.

 

There are also Non Combat skills, you just pick them up with Inquisition perks instead of by leveling your character. This makes sense in DA:I, if for example, arcane knowledge, was linked to your Inquisitor, it would make little sense for a Dwarven Inquisitor to choose it, but since it is linked to the Inquisition, it's more like the Inquisition has this knowledge and gives it to you to help.

 

It's a nice opportunity for RP.

 

Lastly DnD also restricts your choice of weapons by class..........

 

It sounds like you have a VERY narrow definition of an RPG and are now up in arms because  DA:I doesn't fit it, when even DnD (the thing you have on the pedestal there) doesn't seem it fit your definition. 

[Bad King]

Definitely not. DAI was a huge improvement on DA2 and far superior to Mass Effect 3 (which were both rushed games in my view). 

[Natureguy85]

Definitely not. DAI was a huge improvement on DA2 and far superior to Mass Effect 3 (which were both rushed games in my view). 

 

Those are pretty low hurdles.

[atlantico]

Said the member since a week ago.

 

One objectively true statement is that Bioware fans have never been happy, not even when they said they were happy.

 

Subjectively, yes. Objectively, no. Those are advanced words you're misusing there. 

 

Also, it's kind of delusional to assume authority to be connected to the amount of time one has been a member of this fine forum. I could have registered 4 minutes ago, and I'd still be right about that what the fanboi claimed was BS.

[dlux]

 

If there was a god, he'd lock this thread.

Maybe there is a god and he refuses to lock the thread because he thinks DA:I is a bad game.

 

Just a thought.

[keyip]

DAI was a huge improvement on DA2 and far superior to Mass Effect 3 (which were both rushed games in my view). 

 

Heh, Mass Effect 3 is my favourite Bioware game after Baldur's Gate

[MadDemiurg]

I think BW still has potential to do a decent game. Some may hate me for what I'm going to say, but I think they should switch to full action RPG for the next DA (as they're definitely not going back to a real tactical RPG now). It's not how DA franchise started, but seems like the most plausible direction atm. If they do that and actually devote time to making an interesting plot and not learning the new toys smth of value can come out.

 

I'm not expecting much though, DA:I has set the bar very low. 

[wolfhowwl]

"Some may hate me for what I'm going to say, but I think they should switch to full action RPG for the next DA (as they're definitely not going back to a real tactical RPG now)."

 

Well I don't hate you and have posted similar sentiments here as well. I think it might also work better with the multiplayer that they're certainly going to be having in all of their future titles.

[dlux]

I think BW still has potential to do a decent game.

Maybe, but any talent that might be left at the studio is going to waste because EA is forcing Bioware to make crap games.

[MadDemiurg]

Maybe, but any talent that might be left at the studio is going to waste because EA is forcing Bioware to make crap games.

I seriously can't imagine EA CEO coming to Bioware any saying "from now on you should only make crap games". They're definitely targeting the mass market now, but something with mass appeal does not necessarily equal crap. If making a parallel with the movie industry, they're probably only making blockbusters from now on and we can forget about intellectual movies, but there are some good ones out there still, and it's only Bioware's fault that DA:I was in line with Michael's Bay "creations".

[robertthebard]

Maybe, but any talent that might be left at the studio is going to waste because EA is forcing Bioware to make crap games.

That's hilarious, since the site you claim as the holy grail of reviews disagrees with you:

http://abload.de/img/2upuy2.png

Oh, wait, you probably don't want me using your evidence for DA 2 being a better game used in this context, do you?

[o Ventus]

 it's only Bioware's fault that DA:I was in line with Michael's Bay "creations".

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