I was "demonstrating" that DA2, ME3 and DA:I are all bad/lackluster games according to general consensus.
Currently on Metacritic for Inquisition on PC 45% scored it in the red and 43% scored it in the green. On both Xbox One and PS4 the green fairly significantly outnumber the red user scores.
That's one hell of a consensus you're demonstrating there.
Currently on Metacritic for Inquisition on PC 45% scored it in the red and 43% scored it in the green. On both Xbox One and PS4 the green fairly significantly outnumber the red user scores.
That's one hell of a consensus you're demonstrating there.
The user score for DA:I isn't good on Xbone or PS4, no matter how you look at it. The lackluster sales of DA:I reflect upon this.
That is one hell of a denial trip you are demonstrating there.
The user score for DA:I isn't good on Xbone or PS4, no matter how you look at it. The lackluster sales of DA:I reflect upon this.
That is one hell of a denial trip you are demonstrating there.
and no, "it didn't chart in November" is not evidence of poor sales.
I should also note that I don't really care what the internet thinks of it, but rather was pointing out that even on your beloved Metacritic user reviews there is no general consensus about Inquisiton being either good or bad.
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
The user score for DA:I isn't good on Xbone or PS4, no matter how you look at it. The lackluster sales of DA:I reflect upon this.
That is one hell of a denial trip you are demonstrating there.
using freaking metacritics to show the general consensus shows how much you are in denial
sure maybe the sales aren't that groundbreaking but just stop saying your opinion represents the majority jesus you are embarrassing yourself
DA2 might not be liked by the majority true but ME3 (apart from the ending) and DA:I are definitely liked stop being silly
no one who is smart enough and who isn't delusional takes the user score at metacritics seriously
if thats all the "evidence" you have then thanks for the laugh
Majority =\= automatically reasonable, that's the first thing.
Second. Even if it was, how can you tell that this hypothetical game "would register a 7 or 8 to overwhelming majority of people who play it". Do you have any source to some polls or data to claim that as a fact or ... or is it just your guess ?
Automatically, maybe not, but the majority of people ARE reasonable. Look, I get that it's the cool thing now to be cynical and negative when it comes to people, but that sh*t is seriously stupid.
... You want me to pull numbers for a hypothetical scenario? Even after I plainly describe how a hypothetical works to you, you're still not aware on why what you're asking is idiotic?
Automatically, maybe not, but the majority of people ARE reasonable. Look, I get that it's the cool thing now to be cynical and negative when it comes to people, but that sh*t is seriously stupid.
... You want me to pull numbers for a hypothetical scenario? Even after I plainly describe how a hypothetical works to you, you're still not aware on why what you're asking is idiotic?
No. I don't want exact numbers. I asked you: how would you define the reasonable score for this hypothetical game. You would base that number on what ?
Ok. You said it would be based on "overwhelming majority of people who play it". Ok, so what I want to know is:
How would you obtain that info for this hypothetical game.
And what is "overwhelming majority" ? More than 50%, more than 75% ?
Are you able to get info from that X% of pepole who bought that hypothetical game to draw this "reasonable average score" conclusion of yours ? Or did you just post that hypothetical scenario as nothing more than a fantasy that has nothing to do with reality ?
DA:I never charted in the top 10 in Europe or North America (or elsewhere AFAIK). That does indeed mean that the game is not selling as well as it should for a very expensive AAA game.and no, "it didn't chart in November" is not evidence of poor sales.
The game has loads of negative user reviews. Even loads of fans here on the forums state how much they dislike the game. But ok, you think that is irrelevant. Fine.I should also note that I don't really care what the internet thinks of it, but rather was pointing out that even on your beloved Metacritic user reviews there is no general consensus about Inquisiton being either good or bad.
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
DA:I never charted in the top 10 in Europe or North America (or elsewhere AFAIK). That does indeed mean that the game is not selling as well as it should for a very expensive AAA game.
We have an entire thread about DA:I's lackluster sales. You know, the one you apparently refuse to read:
http://forum.bioware...nov/?p=18383029
The game has loads of negative user reviews. Even loads of fans here on the forums state how much they dislike the game. But ok, you think that is irrelevant. Fine.
so what if some think the game is bad? many think ME2 sucks especially when it was released back in 2010
is it a bad game? no
because unless there is a huge shitstorm like with DA2 or ME3 (ending only) its clear that the majority liked the game
"loads of people" lol
Not really.so what if some think the game is bad? many think ME2 sucks especially when it was released back in 2010
is it a bad game? no
DA:I was indeed much better received than DA2 and there wasn't a ****storm either, I'll give you that.because unless there is a huge shitstorm like with DA2 or ME3 (ending only) its clear that the majority liked the game
"loads of people" lol
DA:I never charted in the top 10 in Europe or North America (or elsewhere AFAIK). That does indeed mean that the game is not selling as well as it should for a very expensive AAA game.
We have an entire thread about DA:I's lackluster sales. You know, the one you apparently refuse to read:
http://forum.bioware...nov/?p=18383029
The game has loads of negative user reviews. Even loads of fans here on the forums state how much they dislike the game. But ok, you think that is irrelevant. Fine.
The game has loads of positive user reviews. Even loads of fans here on the forums state how much they like the game. But ok, you think that is irrelevant. Fine.
Plus yeah, the negative reviews are actually irrelevant to my opinion of the game. I don't need the internet's approval to like something =P
but hey, keep telling me that I refuse to read threads that I post in where BioWare said the game is selling great. I'm sure you'll tell me all about how they lied, because you so desperately want to be right about the game not selling well and the game apparently being "terrible".
Sure, just keep on completely denying that many people hate this game because it is a dumbed down and badly designed single player MMO made for eight year old console kiddies.The game has loads of positive user reviews. Even loads of fans here on the forums state how much they like the game. But ok, you think that is irrelevant. Fine.
I see you are repeating yourself.Plus yeah, the negative reviews are actually irrelevant to my opinion of the game. I don't need the internet's approval to like something =P
Well, if you expected a Bioware employee to confirm that the game is not selling well, then you are naive.but hey, keep telling me that I refuse to read threads that I post in where BioWare said the game is selling great. I'm sure you'll tell me all about how they lied, because you so desperately want to be right about the game not selling well and the game apparently being "terrible".
Guest_Lathrim_*
Sure, just keep on completely denying that many people hate this game because it is a dumbed down and badly designed single player MMO made for eight year old console kiddies.
I'm not sure how "The game has loads of positive user reviews. Even loads of fans here on the forums state how much they like the game." implies denial of the notion that many people dislike Inquisition.
In fact, to me, all it says is that a lot of people do like it. One statement doesn't negate the other, you know.
How would you obtain that info for this hypothetical game.
Find any game on Metacritic that has a 6 (being generous) or higher in critic scores across all platforms, which indicates "generally favorable reviews" and a 5.5 or lower on user scores, on the same platforms. Take a tally of the low user reviews and compare the amount of reviews that either have no comments with the number rating or have emotionally charged, non-objective comments with the number rating. If you have personal experience with the game, ask yourself:
"Do the buttons on the controller or keys on the keyboard function properly?"
"Are the graphics well enough so that I can tell what is what at a glance?"
"Is the audio clear enough that I can make out one sound from another?"
"Is the game compelling to play?"
If you answer yes to these, then the game in question is most likely, at the very, very least, reasonably average, with the high amount of 0 ratings skewing the overall rating to be lower than it reasonably should be. Your own opinion of the game is irrelevant, because a game can be good even if you don't like it, and quantifying an opinion is impossible.
How is this not obvious to literally everybody with a functioning brain?
And what is "overwhelming majority" ? More than 50%, more than 75% ?
"Overwhelming majority" was hyperbole, which I guess people here skipped over in their English classes. Fairly obvious hyperbole too. The fact that you somehow took it literally (I'm guessing you did, based on your responses) f**king boggles the mind.
Are you able to get info from that X% of pepole who bought that hypothetical game to draw this "reasonable average score" conclusion of yours ?
Yeah, here, let me get my "instantly poll a million people" app on my phone...
Or did you just post that hypothetical scenario as nothing more than a fantasy that has nothing to do with reality?
A hypothetical is, by definition, a fantasy that has nothing to do with reality, but please, condescend more and continue to not even acknowledge any of my other posts. By all means, continue to take the obvious hyperbole to its literal meaning and to its logical extreme. That'll show me.
I wonder how many times we can get him to post a link of screenshot of metacritic. Maybe we should go for a record, since there's clearly no other point to this topic anymore.
Sure, just keep on completely denying that many people hate this game because it is a dumbed down and badly designed single player MMO made for eight year old console kiddies.
I don't think you know what "many" means or implies.
Well, if you expected a Bioware employee to confirm that the game is not selling well, then you are naive.
Why don't you just take a look at VGChartz, you tool. DAI has sold nearly 3 million copies across all platforms as of right now. Assume the price for a copy is $60 and multiply by 2.89 million (the total sales figure) = 173,400,000. Yeah, it sold so poorly that it has made almost $180 million. Of course, it isn't going to be $173 million even, give or take for an odd number of purchases and an increase since VGC was updated. In all likelyhood, it's higher than $173 million. Objectively, it sold well. 3 million copies is great for any media. Whether or not is made back it's budget is something else entirely (although it almost certainly did if it made $173 million).
The game can't chart because it isn't selling well. I dunno how that equates to "this game is selling very good". But you seem to love DA:I's "hold right trigger to win" combat, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised hearing that from you.
You sure do make a habit of redirecting the topic to things that are wholly unrelated to what was being spoken of before.
I wonder how many times we can get him to post a link of screenshot of metacritic. Maybe we should go for a record, since there's clearly no other point to this topic anymore.
Maybe there is some kind of Achievement to unlock by that?
Find any game on Metacritic that has a 6 (being generous) or higher in critic scores across all platforms, which indicates "generally favorable reviews" and a 5.5 or lower on user scores, on the same platforms. Take a tally of the low user reviews and compare the amount of reviews that either have no comments with the number rating or have emotionally charged, non-objective comments with the number rating. If you have personal experience with the game, ask yourself:
"Do the buttons on the controller or keys on the keyboard function properly?"
"Are the graphics well enough so that I can tell what is what at a glance?"
"Is the audio clear enough that I can make out one sound from another?"
"Is the game compelling to play?"
First three questions can be answered in somehow objective way, yes. But these thisngs are BAISC thing nowadays for a game to even be considered as a functioning one. So you shouldn't give any score just because it runs at all.
Your own opinion of the game is irrelevant, because a game can be good even if you don't like it, and quantifying an opinion is impossible.
But you just told me in your fourth question to answer if it is compelling. How can I judge that without considering my opinion.
User scores are about subjective opinions completely. Professional critics scores should be more objective, users are more about personal reception of the game.
That's where the difference between the two lies. Something you can observe in other media. For example:
Is J.B. music good (critics). No.
Do many people like his music (users). Yes.
So yes, something can be good(bad) even if you don't(do) like it. That doesn't mean that if your personal score is lower(or higher) than average you are being unreasonable. And you did claim just that.
but please, condescend more
I should have tried more, right ? At least to match you in this regard
I don't think you know what "many" means or implies.
Why don't you just take a look at VGChartz, you tool. DAI has sold nearly 3 million copies across all platforms as of right now. Assume the price for a copy is $60 and multiply by 2.89 million (the total sales figure) = 173,400,000. Yeah, it sold so poorly that it has made almost $180 million. Of course, it isn't going to be $173 million even, give or take for an odd number of purchases and an increase since VGC was updated. In all likelyhood, it's higher than $173 million. Objectively, it sold well. 3 million copies is great for any media. Whether or not is made back it's budget is something else entirely (although it almost certainly did if it made $173 million).
You're giving EA $60 of a $60 retail price? That's generous.
Try cutting it in half and you'll probably be closer. There's a reason AAA games need to sell so many copies to be considered successful.
It's worth noting that for copies sold on Origin EA would get the full $60 since there is no retailer to take their cut.
but for physical copies sold at stores like EB Games yeah, my understanding is you need to essentially cut it in half.
We wont really know how much money it made until EA tells us.
Did anybody say you are not allowed to enjoy a game if a substantial amount of players don't like it? Nope.
Enjoy DA:I all you want if you like it. Worship it as the best game ever made for all I care.
Here is the thing, you say that people can like the game if they want, but every time you do, you add an insult.
Like in this post, you are implying that anyone who likes the game is worshiping it.
Like I wrote, like the game all you want. Create a shrine and worship DA:I as the best game ever made for all I care. Good for you if you like the game.
And also in this post.
It is possible to like a game and have criticisms of it, however you are dismissing the people who like the game by suggesting they are worshiping it.
I could do a similar thing by saying
'hate the game all you want. Add it to the list of BioWare games you are butthurt over for all I care'
but I don't, I respect that people don't like the game and try to debate their points rather than attacking them as a person.
It would be nice to see the same respect from you.
Guest_Donkson_*
LOL.
Respect?
On the BSN?
Those two really don't mix. 
You sure do make a habit of redirecting the topic to things that are wholly unrelated to what was being spoken of before.
It's called misdirection; you make a statement that doesn't actually make logical sense, and when someone calls you out on it, you encourage them to think about a totally different thing, so that they don't remember that they were actually succeeding in pointing out your nonsense.
dlux could teach master courses on misdirection.
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