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Right, and if CD Projekt ever loses the Witcher license, they may rename their games and EA may publish them as new Dragon Age.

 

The last time we got something different was the unlicensed DnD game series we are discussing now. Jade Empire was not particularly successful, sci-fi stuff is covered by Mass Effect and the rest ... well, there are not many other settings worth mentioning.

 

I must admit I am not even entirely sure where you are going with all this? Personally I enjoy Jade Empire, Mass Effect and most the rest of the Bioware games. Unlike the 'Witcher' games, which I have yet to be able to actually finish all the way to the end because they aren't really my cup of tea. I don't want to play Geralt, I want to play "my" character.


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I'd hate to be one of those "pick apart your posts and analyse every detail" kind of people, but....

 

ME; you don't play your character. You play Shepard. Sure, you can customise the appearance, first name, class but at the end of the day... it's just like Geralt, dialogue wheel and all. ;)



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I'd hate to be one of those "pick apart your posts and analyse every detail" kind of people, but....

 

ME; you don't play your character. You play Shepard. Sure, you can customise the appearance, first name, class but at the end of the day... it's just like Geralt, dialogue wheel and all. ;)

 

You would be correct, if Shepard was always a cranky dude. I still play "my Shepard", and there are several different ways to play him/her that yields different characterizations. Pardon me if I wasn't being clear enough that I meant "my character" within the games parameters, I thought that was pretty much given. The same way you can play Hawke several different ways. Geralt, never, EVER, felt like 'my' character. So maybe it felt entirely the same to you, it never did to me.

 

If I wanted to make up my character entirely I wouldn't be playing a video game.


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Exactly.

 

It's a lot of image and... little substance.

 

I would have been happy with a balance, even if that meant the graphics weren't as great.

 

I mean, remember Origins when it came out? That was shocking. :lol: yet...... people still mourn for it. People swear by it. But it probably had the worse graphics for its time...

 

Well ... I meant to say Inquisition was not that great graphics-wise. Reflections were weak, equipment did not apply shadows, there were some object pop-ins, the shadows draw distance was low and the shadows appearing when getting closer to objects was annoying etc.

 

The graphics being dated was nowhere near my main issues with Origins.


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Tevinter is must before this series ever closes out. Dumat demands it.


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I'd hate to be one of those "pick apart your posts and analyse every detail" kind of people, but....

 

ME; you don't play your character. You play Shepard. Sure, you can customise the appearance, first name, class but at the end of the day... it's just like Geralt, dialogue wheel and all. ;)

Shepard is an uncomplicated hero archetype.  Easy to identify with.  Geralt not so much and therfore percieved as not my character.  You are right that you always play someone else playstory, dialoque wheel and all.



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Shepard is an uncomplicated hero archetype.  Easy to identify with.  Geralt not so much and therfore percieved as not my character.  You are right that you always play someone else playstory, dialoque wheel and all.

Geralt also has a somewhat set personality as well as six (?) books written about him. While Shepard is not quite a "blank slate" it's still way easier to make the character your "own". The character you play will always exist within the boundaries set by the game, but the degree to which you feel you are able to influence their personality/action varies. Hence "my" Shepard, but not "my" Geralt.



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Tevinter is must before this series ever closes out. Dumat demands it.

 

Tevinter seems inevitable, but what is the point? They wont let us touch the cool stuff anyway ... and if they do, they are going to take it all away after 30 minutes "dwarven noble origin" style. A brief glimpse to make us hate the imperium, since you - the chosen one - are going to lead the revolution.


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I must admit I am not even entirely sure where you are going with all this? Personally I enjoy Jade Empire, Mass Effect and most the rest of the Bioware games. Unlike the 'Witcher' games, which I have yet to be able to actually finish all the way to the end because they aren't really my cup of tea. I don't want to play Geralt, I want to play "my" character.

Funny, because (as much as I love Hawke) she was not my character, the Inquisitor is not my character too, Shephard, well, (s)he is so generic I don't have a name for that... Even the warden is not that much of my character, it is the best of DA games when it comes to being free to be me but stil, I am this "warden thing". In the evolution of RPGs they should REALLY dismiss this idea of titles and set roles. They should give you the villain and then option to how to deal with the villain, even becoming his ally of taking his place. This is evolution of RPG (which I understand was not that much possible in old games due to various limitations) not Frostbite 3.
In a real evolution of RPG you could choose between being this powerful leader of Inquisition or you should be able to take a COMPLETELY different route working with Sera and the little people in the underworld and letting the big ones despair while corypheus destroyed their world so that you could take him in the last moments and make a revolution the would lead poor people to power in a comunist like revolution, you wouldn't even be the leader. But no, RPG evolved so much you HAVE to be this beacon of hope, this leader, I guess they think everybody needs to inflate their egos by being a superhero with people bowing at their feet, it makes me nauseous.


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Funny, because (as much as I love Hawke) she was not my character, the Inquisitor is not my character too, Shephard, well, (s)he is so generic I don't have a name for that... Even the warden is not that much of my character, it is the best of DA games when it comes to being free to be me but stil, I am this "warden thing". In the evolution of RPGs they should REALLY dismiss this idea of titles and set roles. They should give you the villain and then option to how to deal with the villain, even becoming his ally of taking his place. This is evolution of RPG (which I understand was not that much possible in old games due to various limitations) not Frostbite 3.
In a real evolution of RPG you could choose between being this powerful leader of Inquisition or you should be able to take a COMPLETELY different route working with Sera and the little people in the underworld and letting the big ones despair while corypheus destroyed their world so that you could take him in the last moments and make a revolution the would lead poor people to power in a comunist like revolution, you wouldn't even be the leader. But no, RPG evolved so much you HAVE to be this beacon of hope, this leader, I guess they think everybody needs to inflate their egos by being a superhero with people bowing at their feet, it makes me nauseous.

 

Unless you're making a text game or something, I really don't think you're ever going to get a CRPG that's as open ended as a table top campaign. There's not enough time or money to turn something like that into a reality with the care and detail most people want to see these days.

 

I can appreciate where you're coming from. For example, I think that Mass Effect essentially turned to garbage the moment we were railroaded into working for Cerberus without being given the option to take our ball and our awesome spaceship and go back to the alliance. Thankfully, I'm ok with the scenarios that the DA people have thrust us into thus far, and I like the games that Bioware is making these days.



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Funny, because (as much as I love Hawke) she was not my character, the Inquisitor is not my character too, Shephard, well, (s)he is so generic I don't have a name for that... Even the warden is not that much of my character, it is the best of DA games when it comes to being free to be me but stil, I am this "warden thing".

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YMMV. I never quite connected with Hawke as I did the Warden or the Inquisitor (both who I feel are "my" characters), but I still felt I managed to play several different characters during the playthroughs I did. I think a balance has to be struck between allowing the player to do whatever they please and being able to tell a good story. If everyone can do everything then everything either has to be meaningful (which would be costly) or everything has to be meaningless (which is bad). But that's just my opinion, and personally I'm mostly pleased with the stories Bioware tell.

 

But like I said, YMMV.


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Tevinter seems inevitable, but what is the point? They wont let us touch the cool stuff anyway ... and if they do, they are going to take it all away after 30 minutes "dwarven noble origin" style. A brief glimpse to make us hate the imperium, since you - the chosen one - are going to lead the revolution.

Shhhhhh don't speak of such heresy.



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Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

 

They will never let us really play magisters.



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YMMV. I never quite connected with Hawke as I did the Warden or the Inquisitor (both who I feel are "my" characters), but I still felt I managed to play several different characters during the playthroughs I did. I think a balance has to be struck between allowing the player to do whatever they please and being able to tell a good story. If everyone can do everything then everything either has to be meaningful (which would be costly) or everything has to be meaningless (which is bad). But that's just my opinion, and personally I'm mostly pleased with the stories Bioware tell.

 

But like I said, YMMV.

I'm fine with meaningless as long as its free. Life is meaningless by its own nature, we're nothing in the universe (or multiverse) or the tides of time , I have no dreams of affecting anything except in my own head, that is what life is, a dream that fades in few years. Well you can share it others and make it last for "eternity" with godlike feats but still, nothing but a dream. Yeah, but I get it that human people like having importance so there you go...

 

 

Unless you're making a text game or something, I really don't think you're ever going to get a CRPG that's as open ended as a table top campaign. There's not enough time or money to turn something like that into a reality with the care and detail most people want to see these days.

 

I can appreciate where you're coming from. For example, I think that Mass Effect essentially turned to garbage the moment we were railroaded into working for Cerberus without being given the option to take our ball and our awesome spaceship and go back to the alliance. Thankfully, I'm ok with the scenarios that the DA people have thrust us into thus far, and I like the games that Bioware is making these days.

I did a game in 2003, in RPG Maker 2000, where you had 6 completely different paths to take, I essentially did 6 games into one, happening in the same playthrough from start to end, each one almost 40 hours. That's where my "crazy ideas" came from... a single 19 year old person could do it... how is it that EA can't?
Thing is focus. RPG is becoming more and more their story (and most people here love their stories) and less about our stories. Also if you do a game with graphics like a hundred times worse than Inquisition do you realize how much money you will have to invest in options?

But I DO REALIZE it is impossible, since they would sell a few thousand copies and bankrupt right away. Thus I am (was) happy with games like DAO, they were the closest possible to having possibilities, options, choices outside of my dreamworld. Now we have inquisition... I'm sorry people think you have choices in Inquisition, being the Inquisitor is all the choice you have. I doesn't matter if I do save the world or condemn it, I'm a ****** Inquisitior, I am pure ****, I'm the leader of an organization, it means I am the thing I despise the most. Even if I go the way of the people with Iron Bull or Sera, or the companions always saying how I'm different, how I'm one of the people and not "the Inquisitor", it doesn't matter, I am the pure **** leader of a pure **** organization, I am, no matter what I do in this game pure ****.

In other games it bothers me less since I'm not forced to be pure ****, I'm forced to be cool thing. Roles... the champion of kirkwall was the most human and the one that pleased me the most. If I was to be some Bioware protagonist that would DEFFINETLY be Hawke. I can see myself fighting the world for personal reason and getting carried not because of peace or power but because the people I love.

 

Even BG aren't out of this critic, I HATE being baalspawn or anything like that



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Even BG aren't out of this critic, I HATE being baalspawn or anything like that

 

Most of the BG PCs hated that too, I'll bet.Nothing wrong with something happening to a character that he didn't want to have happen to him.



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I find myself admiring his dedication and professionalism. No way I'd be able to stay on-message for that long.


It's noteworthy but I think it's just really unhealthy.

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I don't think the setting and the gameplay are interesting enough to warrant another game. Personally I think bioware should move on to another ip, perhaps set closer to the present and more actiony combat

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I don't think the setting and the gameplay are interesting enough to warrant another game. Personally I think bioware should move on to another ip, perhaps set closer to the present and more actiony combat

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LOL!!

I know.

But how's it any different from Inquisition, dialogue with jack sh*t personality?

I wanted to kill myself when "I will not yield" translated in-game, to "I'm a stuttering 14 year old girl." :lol:

Or those pick up lines.. look good on the wheel but the execution? Cheesy and embarrassing. That isn't how you pull the moves, man... If I used those in real life I would get laughed at and probably spat on.

Despite all of this... I prefer it to Origins dialogue (or lack thereof).

Anyway... sarcastic Hawke's personality matches mine to a T. Everything she said is pretty much everything I would say, in that situation.

Thats the point, they gave the inquisitor a cardboard personality because of all the complaining.

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Why call it Dragon Age in the first place, the dragon age thing is chantry name - once you get outside chantry influence, the name loses any meaning. Get too far in the future and you are past the ninth age. Stay within the time period and souther chantry influence and they have to incorporate previous decisions.
As for magic, veil, fade etc., you can create game in the same universe even without those things and even the current setting allows some magic or magic-like abilities without the "magic" thing.
The local fauna and flora may be different in different parts of the world. As long as you dont encounter any horned guys or nugs, you are stuck with dragons, elves, dwarves and other common fantasy stuff. Oh wait, we can even have horn-less Qunari, who do not follow Qun.


Because you evidently don't know: Thedas == THE (D)ragon (A)ge (S)etting. It doesn't particularly matter where in the setting you are, it's still the Dragon Age Setting.

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Because you evidently don't know: Thedas == THE (D)ragon (A)ge (S)etting. It doesn't particularly matter where in the setting you are, it's still the Dragon Age Setting.

It was a nice nod to the acronym we used on the forum.

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I have officially forgotten what this thread was originally about.. :D

 

Random jump in, I know. As you were, good peoples!



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There are still a lot of herbs, leather and metals to collect in other countries so ain't done yet!


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After Patch 3

I think bioware is to busy working on churning out da4 

 

so yes dragon should be done unless we want it ground to nothing

but its going to go on 



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I think it's kinda silly to think it's over with...

 

Especially after the GOTY awards.. that just encourages it to continue.

 

The question really, is..... what sort of game to expect?