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#126
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Glad I get something  !

 

Have we moved onto cooking now?

 

I didn't like cooking in Skyrim, I thought it was pointless.

I didn't like that you could walk around in burning buildings in DAI, I thought they should have cooked us.

 

(being able to do the leap of death in Skyhold unscathed and half kill yourself on a small slope in the Hinterlands was odd, but these are quibbles I guess...)


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cooking in skyrim was kinda pointless... i still haven't beat skyrim. put almost 200 hours into that game and never beat it.



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Inventory is a stale concept?


Thinking that inventory and loot are necessary is just a symptom of the staleness. But I should clarify that I'm only talking about the so-called "traditional RPG," which is a terribly restrictive concept. ME2 wasn't stale; it had an approach to loot and inventory which was almost sensible -- the main problem was still relying on credits.

I've played PnP games with no looting and almost no interaction with inventory. Good RPGs, too.
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Sofajockey gets it.


Didn't SofaJockey just say that your communication strategy was bad?

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I never said I didn't like the game. There are things that Inquisition does very right. And then the things it does very wrong, which I point out. Fire is good. It cooks us things. Sticking your foot in fire isn't good. It cooks your things.

You like the game then? Because everything you've said so far points to the opposite.

 

Or make a game that works with a mouse and keyboard. Or make a game that doesn't involve low quality fetch quests. Or release a game without tacked on multiplayer with day one microtransactions.

 

"I don't like Inquisition and judging by every other gaming site including IGN, GS, and MetaCritic, a large portion, possibly majority, don't like Inquisition either".
 

we're never going to get a real RPG out of this developer again.
 

To sit here and watch people defend garbage because they're so in denial that Bioware hasn't made a decent game since Origins.

 

You know, because you like the game.



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Why must everything be so black and white with people? I neither like nor dislike Inquisition. I have issues with Inquisition. I like certain aspects and strongly dislike others. I've never said that I absolutely hate Inquisition. Tis not true. I simply do not like the direction the series and it's developer has taken. One can appreciate, respect and still disagree with something.


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Didn't SofaJockey just say that your communication strategy was bad?

 

Don't break the moment,

I'm in a zen place with the OP at the moment  :)

 

Why must everything be so black and white with people? I neither like nor dislike Inquisition. I have issues with Inquisition. I like certain aspects and strongly dislike others. I've never said that I absolutely hate Inquisition. Tis not true. I simply do not like the direction the series and it's developer has taken. One can appreciate, respect and still disagree with something.

 

I could just imagine Morrigan saying that...



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Didn't SofaJockey just say that your communication strategy was bad?

 

I tend to slightly agree. Though I do make good threads... the other one has 32 pages.



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Why must everything be so black and white with people? I neither like nor dislike Inquisition. I have issues with Inquisition. I like certain aspects and strongly dislike others. I've never said that I absolutely hate Inquisition. Tis not true. I simply do not like the direction the series and it's developer has taken. One can appreciate, respect and still disagree with something.

This is absolutely true. But your tone in the various threads you've made hasn't exactly come across as 'appreciative respectful disagreement', just shouting really.

 

Though you can be quite funny. I liked the fire metaphor :3 


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Or make a game that works with a mouse and keyboard. Or make a game that doesn't involve low quality fetch quests. Or release a game without tacked on multiplayer with day one microtransactions.

"I don't like Inquisition and judging by every other gaming site including IGN, GS, and MetaCritic, a large portion, possibly majority, don't like Inquisition either".

EA is LITERALLY Cancer. I'm not sure many here would disagree.


Most RPG games have fetch quests.

And yet people always complain about that, no matter what franchise it is.

It's kinda like " this FPS game's got too many guns".

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Why must everything be so black and white with people? I neither like nor dislike Inquisition. I have issues with Inquisition. I like certain aspects and strongly dislike others. I've never said that I absolutely hate Inquisition. Tis not true. I simply do not like the direction the series and it's developer has taken. One can appreciate, respect and still disagree with something.

Every thing you have said in this thread in regards to DAI implies that you don't like the game. What part of this is evading you? If you want people to think you like something, make it apparent. You flat-out, explicitly, LITERALLY say that the game is garbage, that you don't like it, and that a "majority" of other people don't like it either.


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I put 100 hours into Inquisition. I've done countless DAO/ME runs. It's not just about the older games. The older games had their own issues. Origins has it's own issues. None of these games are perfect. But game of the year? 9/10? Come on man. You and I both know this game isn't the best thing made in 2014.

 

I am amused that you presume to dictate me my own opinion.



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I am amused that you presume to dictate me my own opinion.

 

Good. What did you learn?



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One of the problems of being invested in something (I understand this) is you see the faults, even the small ones.

Folk who are less invested think it's all great because to them it is.

 

I can't tell the difference between a great wine and an ok wine - it tastes nice and if I drink enough I fall over.

That's how games are for most people.

 

And those folk are the majority - they buy the games.

 

How can DAI be both GOTY and have issues?

Because most 'normal players' think it's terrific, and it is.

But the invested ones see where it could be better and get angry when those concerns are unaddressed.

 

I can see where DAI could have gone further.

It does not disappoint me, I accept it and understand it and I enjoy a great game for what it is.

 

I do feel the Frostbite 3 implementation was (let's not use blame) responsible for many systems being reworked

and not all of them are back to the standards of the Eclipse engine (many others surpass the prior engine).

 

For that reason, in DLC and DA4 I think we will continue to see forward motion in good way

and there is no reason to be disheartened.


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Good. What did you learn?

 

From you? Precious little. There are people that do a far better job of being critics of this game's (very real) flaws without flying into all kinds of hyperbolic nonsense in the process.

 

Just chiming in to say that. Cheerio.



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That's a tad bit optimistic given recent reputation Sofa, but I'll give you the "blame it all on the new engine" bit. Incompetence seems to run high over at Bioware. I can picture them standing there in their underwear scratching their head over how to make bewb physics work.



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From you? Precious little. There are people that do a far better job of being critics of this game's (very real) flaws without flying into all kinds of hyperbolic nonsense in the process.

 

Just chiming in to say that. Cheerio.

 

Chip Chip. Ta Ta.



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I visited www.google.com and could find no information supporting your claim, nor any information about this game at all.  Perhaps you'd like to cite a more specific source, preferably a scientifically-conducted poll of some sort? 

 

I mean - you're making an empirical claim. Surely you have strong evidence for it, right? 

 

Exactly. This game is getting far less rage than what happened with DA2 and people are bitter over it.  Now we get the "I HOPE THE GAME FLOPS" diatribes from the trolls who are mad. Its so typical.



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Most RPG games have fetch quests.

And yet people always complain about that, no matter what franchise it is.

It's kinda like " this FPS game's got too many guns".

 

Origins had fetch quests and so did DA2s. People are just lazy and want instant gratification.



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Origins had fetch quests and so did DA2s. People are just lazy and want instant gratification.

 

You're right, I must be lazy not to want to fetch 10 bear meats.



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You're right, I must be lazy not to want to fetch 10 bear meats.

 

More like, why is it fun to fetch those meats in Origins and not Inquisition?

 

You should probably take a break from the BSN. U 2 mad.



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That's a tad bit optimistic given recent reputation Sofa, but I'll give you the "blame it all on the new engine" bit. Incompetence seems to run high over at Bioware. I can picture them standing there in their underwear scratching their head over how to make bewb physics work.

 

Optimistic?

 

Guilty as charged  :D

 

It's a view I try to encourage my daughters (who also play DAI by the way) to take.

 

You're probably more likely to be accurate taking a pessimistic view,

But you'll have an awful lot more fun being an optimist until whatever it is does or doesn't happen.

 

The Frostbite 3 character creator was built for soldier hair cuts.

I'm sure there were no Tactical options screens.

They couldn't handle four legged animals.

 

I'm expecting some of the things that folk have complained about will return in DLC/DA4

and of course some won't...

 

OH - and I was actually in the moment with the 10 Ram meat - those poor refugees.

And Druffy, poor defenceless (actually totally invincible) Druffalo, that had got lost - Literally 5 minutes walk from home.


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More like, why is it fun to fetch those meats in Origins and not Inquisition?

 

You should probably take a break from the BSN. U 2 mad.

 

How many quests in Origins were fetch quests compared to quality side/story quests compared to Inquisition? I know we have no actual numbers, but a ballpark? 75% in Inquisition to maybe 20% in Origins?

 

And I'm not mad, I'm just trying to respond to everyone at once and I have the numbness of the finger. Maybe is because window is open and it's snowing but I like the snow and absolutely hate the snow. So I can't decide should I close the window or put stockings on.



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Don't break the moment,
I'm in a zen place with the OP at the moment  :)


Thing is, I'm not.

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The Frostbite 3 character creator was built for soldier hair cuts.

I'm sure there were no Tactical options screens.

They couldn't handle four legged animals.

 

When you get down to it, the entire engine was built for the multi-player first person shooting of modern combat with vehicles of the Battlefield series rather than a single-player RPG like Dragon Age.

 

It's like BioWare took the engine of a sports car and tried to fit it into a truck because EA owns the engine of the sports car and wants to use it in everything =P