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[Rolenka]

My 3-year-old son calls him "the butt monster" because he lets it hang all out there.

[Stinja]

When would people say is the best time to melee attack him, say with a Katari?

 

Just between the pop-up attacks and AoE shriek/stun, there seems to be few opportunities to safely (i.e.: not get caught by his stun, and butt-raped by all the wraiths) attack him within melee range.

 

I've soloed him on Routine, so have a gist on his attacks, but that usually involves clearing all the adds, and then dealing with him.  With Pugs, sometimes it seems wiser to focus on him first.

[Torkelight]

expert player won't tell others l2p

they tell ppl how to play .

Yeah, I'm no expert but I've probably written about 20 posts on how to survive the demon commander in various threads including this one.

[holdenagincourt]

If this were a LAN game, I would disagree with you. As host, DC takes some time to learn, but is pretty facile after a few dozen games (the regular chain slows from DC and Fear Demons that are oh so enjoyable notwithstanding). I would instead agree with BWAmelia, who claims that you can always avoid DC's teleport uppercut simply by sprinting.

 

If only that were true for 75% of the players in every game. If only that were true for host more often than not.

 

DC isn't the biggest issue facing this game--lack of new content and too many bugs are way more pressing--but the basic mechanics of the fight are not enjoyable, especially with less than perfect ping. There are too many people in this thread, and in game balance discussions I've been a part of more generally, who confuse other people's personal skill with their outlook on healthy game mechanics and holistic design philosophy.

[IanLai]

Yeah, I'm no expert but I've probably written about 20 posts on how to survive the demon commander in various threads including this one.

yes and the best suggestion is here , not join lag game 

[Trickshaw]

Odd how you boast about soloing perilous but cant time a run and jump.

 

A.) I never boasted about anything.  I stated a point, flatly.  You and others decided to take it upon yourselves to look at it as a personal affront to your internet godhood.  

 

Dude, listen to me very carefully, I genuinely don't care how many videos you make, how many likes you garner or if you try to make a name for yourself on these forums.  I really don't care.  You're internet fame is no threat to me.  I don't want it.  You can have all the wins.  I don't want them.

 

I'm not attacking you.  I have, in fact, never attacked you.  I actually "like" many of your posts (when they're not flat out insulting or under mining others for no reason... at all).  Where this animosity for me came from I have no idea.

 

So dial it back.

 

B.) I've repeated myself ad nauseum on the topic of DC.  I'm not going to repeat myself again.  Maybe you enjoy the endeavor, I don't.

 

 

Ive said time and time again...

 

Yes, we know.  We all know.  Saying it over and over and over again does not, in fact, make it true.

 

You have your opinion, we have ours.

 

Done.

 

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Thanks to HeroicMass, KalGerion_Beast and Brocochoco for clearing up (for me) what exactly it is that causes the "uber damage".  I've never actually observed this retreat mechanic.  Most likely because I make it a point never to get anywhere near archers if I can help it.  Unfortunately I didn't actually read your posts earlier for various reasons so when I recorded this I didn't know.

 

Anywho, this is me on perilous doing a damage test with an Archer.  I ended up being on the ball tonight.  So yes, it's also a completion.  No, it's not me bragging.  I think it was Torkelight that asked for a completion video so I thought, "two birds one stone."

 

TO BE CLEAR: 

 

You're all beautiful snowflakes and you're all better than me.  If watching this video makes you rage uncontrollably I'm sorry.  It was not my intention.  I don't care if you rip it apart.  I don't care if you want more "proof".  This isn't me proving anything.  This isn't me trying to dethrone anyone's epeen.  This is me making a recording, which is apparently not even needed any more, that I said I would post earlier today.  Err... yesterday.

 

It takes me a loooong time to do these runs.  Like 45 minutes easy.  I'm not good enough nor promoted enough to just go blazing through.  Yes, it's venatori.  Yes, I know, I suck because I can't solo Demons.  I would have rather had Templars but venatori popped first and I wasn't expecting to make a full run so oh well.

 

I've stated MANY times in MANY threads that DA hates my comp.  I'm limited to 2 minutes probably tops before everything starts crashing.  I have to play on minimum settings and set Fraps to 1/2 size @ 30fps or else it won't even run for 20 seconds so please forgive the quality.

 

/peace

 

 

Jeebus, I've never had to write so many disclaimers in my life.

 

You guys are killin' me.

[IanLai]

....

you take about 40%-50% hp per shot

heroicMass take more than 80% (1 bar of health loss to die)

probably relate to promotion

[Trickshaw]

you take about 40%-50% hp per shot

heroicMass take more than 80% (1 bar of health loss to die)

probably relate to promotion for constituation

 

I only have like maybe 16 con?  Not sure, on my phone in bed now.  And that comes strictly from passives.  I am wearing a health belt though.  I take less damage from archers because I have a ton of Cunning.  Probably in the neighborhood of 70ish.  Maybe 80 total?  Depending on spec and what gear I'm sporting.  Venatori melee's can essentially two shot me however.  Hence why I got very good at dealing with shadows and stalkers.

[IanLai]

I only have like maybe 16 con?  Not sure, on my phone in bed now.  And that comes strictly from passives.  I am wearing a health belt though.  I take less damage from archers because I have a ton of Cunning.  Probably in the neighborhood of 70ish.  Maybe 80 total?  Depending on spec and what gear I'm sporting.  Venatori melee's can essentially two shot me however.  Hence why I got very good at dealing with shadows and stalkers.

ic people seems forget how promotion can affect the difficulties of the game

it is not easy for beginner no matter archer or DC

 

anyway good night dude thx for the video

[Trickshaw]

ic people seems forget how promotion can affect the difficulties of the game

it is not easy for beginner no matter archer or DC

 

anyway good night dude thx for the video

 

I never "forgot" since I never said otherwise.  No, I don't expect new players to be able to solo perilous let alone complete a solo run.  I can BARELY complete a solo perilous run.

 

If I gave you the impression, ever, that anyone can do this at any experience level they feel like then I apologize.  I don't recall ever saying that or even implying that.  Ok now I really do have to go to bed.  Got work in 4 hours.  But before I go:

 

I'm sorry to everyone for any real or imagined transgressions I will apparently inevitably make whilst I sleep.

 

Seriously... wow.... I just... can't... win.

[J. Peterman]

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Don't get upset, but your video doesn't cover the scenario we are all referring to. The "side-step" then shoot which hits like a mule.

[ALTBOULI]

I must say I do find the DC cheap to fight against, he can be a real pain to deal with on a laggy host. And while I admit that I still havent quite got the time down for his leap attack - I do think the attack itself is quite buggy. On a few occasions I would see the smoke, fadestep out of the area only for the DC to jump up at the location my Fadestep had ended rather than were the smoke was. Fadestep takes you pretty far and this occured both on and off host. While these were quite rare occurance wise, I cant help but wonder if the DC has an element of lock-on to his attacks. Has anyone else come accross this or could confirm if he has some sort of lock-on?

[IanLai]

I never "forgot" since I never said otherwise.  No, I don't expect new players to be able to solo perilous let alone complete a solo run.  I can BARELY complete a solo perilous run.

 

If I gave you the impression, ever, that anyone can do this at any experience level they feel like then I apologize.  I don't recall ever saying that or even implying that.  Ok now I really do have to go to bed.  Got work in 4 hours.  But before I go:

 

I'm sorry to everyone for any real or imagined transgressions I will apparently inevitably make whilst I sleep.

 

Seriously... wow.... I just... can't... win.

i do not mean you . sorry if my word make you feel wrong

gd night

[Drasca]

It takes me a loooong time to do these runs.  Like 45 minutes easy.  I'm not good enough nor promoted enough to just go blazing through.  Yes, it's venatori.  Yes, I know, I suck because I can't solo Demons.  I would have rather had Templars but venatori popped first and I wasn't expecting to make a full run so oh well.
 

 

Nice job! Have you written a guide anywhere to Solo Hunter? I play on team builds because I like to have fun bs'ing with others. I too am not impressed by Penguin's ego and video demands, especially given he never plays off host or on perilous. . . ever.

 

I wouldn't try to solo perilous with a hunter (mainly because I really like private team games, secondarily because I don't know how to solo Hunter). Recently I've stumbled upon an ultra-fast AW method that foregoes spirit blade and frost step all together. Can even face tank the Red Templar Commander, even though it is risky. . . but I admit Hunter's my weaker class.

 

I would love for you to do a write up on your Hunter playstyle.

[Hadred]

I do believe they need to change the Demon Commander to give melee more of a chance to get some strikes in.  Whenever I'm playing my assassin or alchemist it feels like I have very little opportunity to get some shots in before he goes under. 

 

Dialing back the damage of his move slightly on Routine difficulty wouldn't hurt things either.  If he's not one or two shotting new people who are just sinking their teeth into multiplayer, then it gives them a chance to see his telltale signs of when he's going to uppercut and his attack pattern.  They need some wiggle room to learn from their mistakes and not everyone checks these forums for the helpful videos.

 

By Threatening or above I think it's fine as is for now.  By the time people get into threatening difficulty they should have some experience with all the bosses and know what to look for.

[TeamLexana]

I hate the DC so much. I never get the smoke under my feet as a warning either to avoid before I get the crap knocked out of me. Him, with the weakness ghosts, the other pop up dudes, and the slow down spider queens make the whole fight bullcrap and the least enjoyable boss fight hands down.

 

Randoms are just terrible too, they all love to huddle in that damn room in the beginning and wonder why they die and I have even had one group call me a nasty name after I kited everything around and killed the DC and got the completion because I didn't huddle with them and die. They were on their last lives, I knew they didn't have the dps nor the tank to be able to survive in there, no. I will NEVER EVER solo that piece of crap DC for a group of randoms again, EVER.

 

Soooo..... Caltraps? Yeah, just spam them all over the floor, that'll teach that DC a lesson, lol.

[Trickshaw]

i do not mean you . sorry if my word make you feel wrong
gd night

No dude, you're good.

Don't get upset, but your video doesn't cover the scenario we are all referring to. The "side-step" then shoot which hits like a mule.

Yeah I dunno what was with me yesterday. Think my estrogen was dialed up to 11. I don't blame you for not reading that whole post but yeah I covered that here:

Thanks to HeroicMass, KalGerion_Beast and Brocochoco for clearing up (for me) what exactly it is that causes the "uber damage". I've never actually observed this retreat mechanic. Most likely because I make it a point never to get anywhere near archers if I can help it. Unfortunately I didn't actually read your posts earlier for various reasons so when I recorded this I didn't know.

Nice job! Have you written a guide anywhere to Solo Hunter?

Nah. There's enough guides floating around here. A new on practically every day. Besides I don't do these runs or play my own mini games to get popular or net 15 minutes of eFame. That's why I kept it in this thread instead of making a new one and bein all like "check me out!"

I do it to get better. To challenge myself.

[J. Peterman]

Yeah I dunno what was with me yesterday. Think my estrogen was dialed up to 11. I don't blame you for not reading that whole post but yeah I covered that here:

[/quote]Thanks to HeroicMass, KalGerion_Beast and Brocochoco for clearing up (for me) what exactly it is that causes the "uber damage".  I've never actually observed this retreat mechanic.  Most likely because I make it a point never to get anywhere near archers if I can help it.  Unfortunately I didn't actually read your posts earlier for various reasons so when I recorded this I didn't know.[/quote]

 

My bad, I missed that. Glad we got that cleared up

 

I would be interested in seeing some of your Hunter gameplay though if possible. I want to try something different.

[HeroicMass]

I love agreeable endings

[Drasca]

Nah. There's enough guides floating around here. A new on practically every day. Besides I don't do these runs or play my own mini games to get popular or net 15 minutes of eFame. That's why I kept it in this thread instead of making a new one and bein all like "check me out!"

I do it to get better. To challenge myself.

 

Well, mind posting your current build using http://da-skills.net/then? That shouldn't take too long.

 

I like to make new builds, and occasionally share them, mainly because the current paradigm of cookie cutters suck, but I admit Hunter's a weakpoint for me.

[J. Peterman]

I love agreeable endings

 

I disagree.

[ALTBOULI]

I love agreeable endings

Zae would be turning in his proverbial grave. Is this how we settle agruments in DAMP!?! I demand a thunderdome!

[21T09]

Zae would be turning in his proverbial grave. Is this how we settle agruments in DAMP!?! I demand a thunderdome!

I think it´s called a Static Cage here.

[ALTBOULI]

I disagree.

1 vs 1 me - Demons, Routine, Chateau

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

1 vs 1 me - Demons, Routine, Chateau

 

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