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[Wanlorn]

It's my first time posting anything on the Bioware forums and I didn't know exactly where to put this topic so if it should be anywhere else, feel free to move it.

 

Okey, so a guy I work with apparently has a lvl 21 knight enchanter that does 8000 damage with each hit and hits once every second. He also claims that he takes down any dragon in the game in under one minute. He claims to not have any overpowered weapons and he plays on normal difficulty. I need to know if that is even possible or if he's lying. If it's true, I either really, really suck at this game or I picked the wrong class.

[Fiery Phoenix]

If archers can land 3k+ damage with a single arrow, then I don't doubt that a KE is able to deal so much damage.

 

Combat in this game is all by the numbers. With the right skills and buffs, a lot of things are possible.

[theluc76]

DA Final Fantasy...

[Feranel]

I'm incredulous that he is doing 8k damage per hit every 1 second with Spirit Blade, even on normal.  You can get larger numbers with Fade Cloak, but that has a 2 second set-up time and a 12 second cooldown that you can reduce with Clean Burn in the fire tree, and even then, it wouldn't regularly hit for 8k.

[Frraksurred]

Well, he's embellishing a bit. My Knight Enchanter has achieved critical hits over 20k on an armored dragon with his fire mine, but that is not the norm. My Staff's normal hits are around 250-400 and it is crafted with the best gear in the game and gauged towards critical hit and damage. My Spirit Blade will hit between 2500 to 10k. 8k every hit is not realistic, though taking a dragon out in under 2 minutes on normal is doable when using Mark of the Rift (a skill you get during the story).

[Feranel]

Well, he's embellishing a bit. My Knight Enchanter has achieved critical hits over 20k on an armored dragon with his fire mine, but that is not the norm. My Staff's normal hits are around 250-400 and it is crafted with the best gear in the game and gauged towards critical hit and damage. 8k every hit is not realistic, though taking a dragon out in under 2 minutes on normal is doable when using Mark of the Rift (a skill you get during the story).

 

Yeah, it's probably Tier 3 Mark of the Rift. 

 

You can set up scenarios where your abilities hit like mack-trucks using Blackwall or a Champion and letting To the Death stack up significantly, but that takes about a minute or two of constant stacking to get high enough for consistently hitting that hard.

 

That is of course, to say nothing of Tempests and Assassins who can kill a dragon in 4-20 seconds.

[DameMagpie]

guess I try KE with the PC up on my screen now. She's sitting in a Therinfal room pissed at the mission to discover things about Solas. I really dislike him, but spys like her are such whores

 

my level 20 archer has to set up her damage but it's fun to hit so hard, still my biggest crit was 7500-ish. Last night I was just waiting cool down with no special prep and each shot was like 70. Can't imagine a KE always doing that massive, still I haven't killed the dragons yet

 

I play hard mode, except for the end of part one which is too much work to pull off

[Fidite Nemini]

That is of course, to say nothing of Tempests and Assassins who can kill a dragon in 4-20 seconds.

 

For more plastic arguments:

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I haven't played a KE Mage yet (or anything else but my still standard rogue archer because my game is still not running smooth so I only play here and there and I haven't even finished the game once yet), but I seriously doubt only rogues can spec themselves up to be such DPS monsters.

[Feranel]

For more plastic arguments:

 

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Now, I haven't played a KE Mage yet (or anything else but my still standard rogue archer because my game is still not running smooth so I only play here and there and I haven't even finished the game once yet), but I seriously doubt only rogues can spec themselves up to be such DPS monsters.

 

Well, that's the thing, I know KE mechanics and there really isn't anything in the way Mages work that let you do 8K damage per second consistently for a minute straight as OP's friend claims.  I believe that with a party built right of course you can kill Dragons in under a minute or so, and I know firsthand that as a Champion you can solo a dragon in about 2.5 minutes. But knowing what I know about Mages and Knight enchanters I am very confident that 8K damage every 1 second is farcical. 

[J'Sylvan]

I have a level 17 double-dagger rogue assassin who's hit for 15K+ damage in just a couple of seconds using a combination of Stealth, Mark of Doom and Hidden Blades.  But that's not consistently on every hit.  My guess is that your friend is exaggerating somewhat. 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Well, it can be done with KE, but it isn't Spirit Blade alone. Not OP weapon, well not if you consider having BiS with the BiS grip, blade and Rune not OP, also having damage boosts on heavy armor (need silverite for that and, it LOOKS like mage armor on a mage.) You also need support spells up that weakening or increase the damage the enemy takes and, you only have that kind of power for a couple of seconds before you have to get all of your spells and such back up again. You can't do it solo, can with a party if you have your second mage keeping the damage enhancing spells rolling but, it's not the KE alone making it happen, and it isn't easy to maintain that kind of damage.

 

Besides, no reason for it once you are geared and speced to do it - you can swing away, pop a spell here and there and, take ZERO damage for hours on end if you could ever keep the enemy alive that long. And that is a lot less work and team management than 8K hits.

[Frraksurred]

guess I try KE with the PC up on my screen now. She's sitting in a Therinfal room pissed at the mission to discover things about Solas. I really dislike him, but spys like her are such whores

my level 20 archer has to set up her damage but it's fun to hit so hard, still my biggest crit was 7500-ish. Last night I was just waiting cool down with no special prep and each shot was like 70. Can't imagine a KE always doing that massive, still I haven't killed the dragons yet

I play hard mode, except for the end of part one which is too much work to pull off

Keep in mind the numbers I had in my first post were from a level 21 and higher Knight Enchanter. I was using a Seer Staff buit with Essence of Perfection (+10% to stats), +34 attack, +24% critical hit chance & +58% critical hit damage. The fire mine does 1600% damage of that staff including its added attack points (as I understand it), so when an enemy with enough health points (like a giant or dragon) is also weak to fire, covered in armor and gets hit with a critical strike, the damage can sky rocket, especially if you can weaken or stun it with a non-mage character's primer (cross-class combo).

There is a lot to this game. As a newcomer to the series I did a lot of reading. If you're interested, when I get home and have more than my cell phone to work with, I can post some links that will give you a good head start.

[Mikka-chan]

Against an armored dragon, an 8000 hit with spirit blade isn't uncommon.  But I'm certainly not doing it every 1 second, nor am I often doing it against opponents that aren't armored dragon.

 

300 to 3000 (a pretty big range, yes) is usually what spirit blade hits for against the dragon normally.  Against other mobs, it's lower.

 

Still, I can knock down an opponent faster with a KE then any class but a Tempest laughing manically with thousand cuts.

[Frraksurred]

Okay, links as promised:

 

A post by reddit user T0rin about best KE build, best gear and how to craft for dps (damage per second)

http://www.reddit.co...ng_guide_xpost/

 

Another reddit user by the name Rylor shows you where (and at what level) to farm the best gear.  Vendors will only sell the second best gear in the game, and that only with the "Short List" war table perk.  The best gear will be looted from Tier 3 chests.

http://www.reddit.co...0fps_available/

 

IGN's youtube tutorial on how to build a Knight Enchanter to be nearly invincible.  The video centers around Vivienne, who's specialization is Knight Enchanter.  This video will give you the basics, but the Min/Maxing guide above provides a far more efficient KE build.

http://youtu.be/AcVcQWTwg8U

 

Hope this is helpful to somebody.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

So, "Yes, it's totally possible to build/equip a KE to do 8K DPS against certain types of targets."  Just takes research, and patience. 

[Lebanese Dude]

8K is possible, with the right debuffs, buffs, and build... provided you are hitting a spirit-vulnerable target with guard as it increases damage by 400%.

 

I'm only level 15 with a relatively mediocre weapon and incomplete build and I crit a lightning dragon with guard with a little more than 2.5k without any debuffs or buffs.

 

Nuff said.